2016 Election

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n_huffhines said:
The frustrating thing about Paul is people don't even know when they agree with him. They assume that just cause he said something, it's wrong. When you compare it to what others are saying or have done, you realize just how reasonable it is.

This is not the first time this week somebody criticized Paul about XO, while simultaneously 100% agreeing with his actual position

It's madness.
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Is that Paul's fault or an example of the public's failure to understand politics?
 
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n_huffhines said:
But the reality is the current laws will NEVER be enforced. It's not even financially feasible, let alone politically expedient.

Trump's plan to deport illegals would cost like 10x the federal law enforcement budget.

Xenophobia trumps fiscal conservatism. Pun intended
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How many billions would it cost to build the 1969 mile fence Trump is wanting?
 
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Gramps said:
How many billions would it cost to build the 1969 mile fence Trump is wanting?
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Not sure. But that's not the financial issue i'm talking about. Actual deportation is what will sink us.

A wall is an unoriginal idea that may help, but we have to man the border. That's the bottom line. A fence won't keep people out.
 
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n_huffhines said:
But the reality is the current laws will NEVER be enforced. It's not even financially feasible, let alone politically expedient.

Trump's plan to deport illegals would cost like 10x the federal law enforcement budget.

Xenophobia trumps fiscal conservatism. Pun intended
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You are taking a defeatist position, frankly no one has tried enforcing the laws in some time. I don't think anyone is considering rounding them up in box cars and deporting them. First you must cut off welfare, food stamps, free schooling drivers licenses and put enormous pressure on employers to stop breaking the law by hiring illegal workers. Just enforce the current law. Then, after seeing the results, reform the system when you have some manageable numbers.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
You are taking a defeatist position, frankly no one has tried enforcing the laws in some time. I don't think anyone is considering rounding them up in box cars and deporting them. First you must cut off welfare, food stamps, free schooling drivers licenses and put enormous pressure on employers to stop breaking the law by hiring illegal workers. Just enforce the current law. Then, after seeing the results, reform the system when you have some manageable numbers.
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You say defeatist, i say practical. What about Washington makes you think they will enforce laws they have demonstrated they have no interest in enforcing?
 
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Grand Vol said:
You keep mentioning this. Where is this monetary figure you keep plugging on about?
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I think the problem with deporting is more humanitarian than money.

If we deport the illegals, what are we going to do with the children born on American soil. Those children are US citizens under our current laws.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Older estimate...for reference WoD costs $50B

Deporting All Of America's Illegal Immigrants Would Cost A Whopping $285 Billion - Business Insider

More recent

Deporting 11 Million People Could Cost $400-600 Billion, Study Finds - The Atlantic

I said 10x referencing this but i meant 8x

Deporting all illegal immigrants would cost eight times as much as the feds spend on law enforcement | Rare
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Those articles all point back to the same ICE report on the subject. And is not like the government had ever inflated budget numbers to increase their piece of the pie before.

The problem is, as someone else pointed out, there is hardly any enforcement going on right now. And these sanctuary cities thumbing their noses at federal laws doesn't help matters.

And furthermore, these economic numbers given about how much productivity would be lost is utterly false as I pointed out a few days ago. You have millions of people unwilling to work because they depend on the state to keep them up. Why look for a job when the free money keeps rolling in? And that's what I want a candidate to address. How to reform the welfare state.
 
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People are putting the cart in front of the horse. Build a wall, kick the illegal criminals out and then we will figure the rest out. The 1st two should be done immediately
 
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Gramps said:
I think the problem with deporting is more humanitarian than money.

If we deport the illegals, what are we going to do with the children born on American soil. Those children are US citizens under our current laws.
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5.00 tax on every money gram sent south of the U.S. Border. Should cover the expense.
 
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Gramps said:
I think the problem with deporting is more humanitarian than money.

If we deport the illegals, what are we going to do with the children born on American soil. Those children are US citizens under our current laws.
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There are 3 factors to consider. The two sides consider 1 each and then the other factor gets forgotten.

Cost/burden (Rs)
Compassion (Ds)
Benefit (?)

They do so much for our economy. Forget about the direct cost of deportation, we'd have so many problems with housing, food, retail, etc. If 11 million people disappeared.
 
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n_huffhines said:
There are 3 factors to consider. The two sides consider 1 each and then the other factor gets forgotten.

Cost/burden (Rs)
Compassion (Ds)
Benefit (?)

They do so much for our economy. Forget about the direct cost of deportation, we'd have so many problems with housing, food, retail, etc. If 11 million people disappeared.
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Ignoring the elephant in the room I see.

I've already given you the solution to that problem. Yet you ignore it even though your tax dollars continue to empower people to be lazy.
 
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Unemployment rate is not high among the legal children of illegals. When people theorize they are mooching is it ignorance or straight up racism?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Unemployment rate is not high among the legal children of illegals. When people theorize they are mooching is it ignorance or straight up racism?
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If this was directed at me, you obviously don't care to read other points of view on the matter as I stayed very clearly a few days ago the illegal aliens are some of the hardest working people around. I can never and will never fault their work ethic.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Show me something more trustworthy and i'll go off that
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I see. Trust the government because they know best and there isn't any contrary evidence to dispute it. Doesn't matter this report came during the Obama years when enforcement is at an all time low.

So what's next? Are you going to say the Patriot Act was justified because of the terrorist threat reported by the government?
 
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