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lawgator1 said:
It's their own fault. They've spent the past six years undermining, not just Obama and the Dems, but even their own institutional leadership. They've created such false expectations about electing "a true conservative," they they have set themselves up to fail.
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If they would really loosen up on some of the social conservative issues, i.e. actually be for smaller government instead of paying it lip service, and combined that with talk of lower taxes, they'd reach a lot more people.
 
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Gramps said:
I am far from an Obama fan but I will say things are much better now than the day he took office. George W Bush did more damage to this nation in his 8 years in office than anyone else in my lifetime.
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So it's all on the President? Especially the one who tried to reign in the excesses of Freddie and Fannie only to be blocked by a certain, lispy, democrat?
 
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Gramps said:
Do you have factual numbers to back that statement or is that your opinion ?
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I don't have numbers that I can cite, but I remember looking at polling data during the last several elections. You really said it yourself that independent voters are the key. There are more voters that will swing to the independent side on the R side of the ledger than on the D side. to wit: one Ross Perot.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
If they would really loosen up on some of the social conservative issues, i.e. actually be for smaller government instead of paying it lip service, and combined that with talk of lower taxes, they'd reach a lot more people.
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True statement. McConel and Boehner are a huge part of that problem however.
 
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Independent voters are just Dems that are pissed because they didn't get everything they were promised.
 
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hog88 said:
You must have been pretty high during the LBJ years.
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LBJ is ranked by the majority of historians and scholars as being in the top 15- 20. I do not agree with that. I think he should be near the bottom 10-15.

It is still too early for W but he comes in the bottom 5-10 list by most. I think he should be in bottom 5. He was terrible
 
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Gramps said:
LBJ is ranked by the majority of historians and scholars as being in the top 15- 20. I do not agree with that. I think he should be near the bottom 10-15.

It is still too early for W but he comes in the bottom 5-10 list by most. I think he should be in bottom 5. He was terrible
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There is no way you can objectively judge Bush's presidency at this point. Truman had 14% approval rating when he left office and he's regarded by most historians (not TRUT obvi) as a top 5 president.
 
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MG1968 said:
So it's all on the President? Especially the one who tried to reign in the excesses of Freddie and Fannie only to be blocked by a certain, lispy, democrat?
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No it is not all on the president. The president gets way too much credit or criticism. A presidents policies do count.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I don't have numbers that I can cite, but I remember looking at polling data during the last several elections. You really said it yourself that independent voters are the key. There are more voters that will swing to the independent side on the R side of the ledger than on the D side. to wit: one Ross Perot.
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If that be the case, how did Reagan, Bush 1 and W get elected?
 
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mrorange211 said:
There is no way you can objectively judge Bush's presidency at this point. Truman had 14% approval rating when he left office and he's regarded by most historians (not TRUT obvi) as a top 5 president.
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Did you miss where I said it is still too early for W?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
If they would really loosen up on some of the social conservative issues, i.e. actually be for smaller government instead of paying it lip service, and combined that with talk of lower taxes, they'd reach a lot more people.
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I agree.

The problem is that its the religious right and social conservatives who donate money and show up in these early primaries.

Their influence eventually fades, and time and time again the nominee ends up being someone more moderate. And then, of course, when they lose the general the far right people go, "See!! Told you so!"

We saw that exact scenario with Romney and to some degree with McCain. And it is why guys like Bush, with all the centrist backing and $100 milly in the bank, are still favored. They just have to sit there and not screw up, and wait for the far right to burn themselves out on guys like Huckabee and Cruz. And then they pick up all the pieces.
 
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Gramps said:
If that be the case, how did Reagan, Bush 1 and W get elected?
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W got elected because his opponent sucked. Obama got elected because he was black. Nothing else. Call it racist if you want, but it's true. Ask Oprah.

Reagan got elected because he was a great candidate and Bush 1 carried the legacy.

re: W. two words. "John Kerry" nuff said about that.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
W got elected because his opponent sucked. Obama got elected because he was black. Nothing else. Call it racist if you want, but it's true. Ask Oprah.

Reagan got elected because he was a great candidate and Bush 1 carried the legacy.

re: W. two words. "John Kerry" nuff said about that.
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Reagan won because he carried the "blue dog democrats" plus the US was tired of the peanut farmer.

Concerning W, you forgot Gore.
 
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Gramps said:
The D's will vote for their nominee, the R's will vote for their nominee, period. They just look at the R or D beside the name.

The presidential eleçtions are won or lost by the independent voters. Nominate a candidate that will sell to the middle and win the WH. It is a simple procedure that the R's of today have a difficult time in understanding.
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I think that a lot of conservatives sat out the last 2 elections because of McCain and Romney. They saw no point in voting for a so called moderate. A moderate to them is just another liberal.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
I've already been blessed by him. I'll let others get theirs
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From reading your postings, you are a devout Catholic. I just thought you might take the opportunity to see him during his USA visit. I would think that would be a great honor for Catholics.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I think that a lot of conservatives sat out the last 2 elections because of McCain and Romney. They saw no point in voting for a so called moderate. A moderate to them is just another liberal.
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I didn't realize you considered Reagan another liberal. He definitely governored as a moderate.
 
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Trump is cutting ties with Fox. He says they are treating him unfairly and he will not do any interviews with Fox for the foreseeable furure.
 
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