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Grand Vol said:
VB, I respect you a one of the more intelligent posters on this board, but even you have to admit anyone who even spent more than 10 minutes researching Trump would be hard pressed to call him the best candidate.

And furthermore, I never thought I would ever see the day where the Obama-philes would ever be surpassed in their constant drooling over everything he said and did as well as being the "savior."

Until I met most Trump supporters.
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But that isn't what I was reacting to.

It's not about best candidate, good candidate. I reacted to a claim that if you don't agree that Trump is "bad for America" then you are mentally deficient. (with the exception that a minority of people who don't agree possibly aren't mentally deficient).

He's choice 4 or so for me and I'd never be an avid supporter. That said I wouldn't characterize him as bad for America and that apparently puts my mental capacity at question.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Sure. We can do that.

And as of the last count, there are more voters that don't want Trump that want him to be the President.
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I understand the argument and some polling data supports this but I think the analysis of voting to date doesn't necessarily support this.

In past primaries with 5 popular candidates what was the average margin for the person that won those primaries?

Getting more than a third of the vote in primaries with 5+ choices indicates preference.

We won't know until we get to 2 or 3 what the real level of support is.
 
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So here's a question for the masses...

Say Hillary gets indicted (likely) and the DNC is faced with tossing up Bernie who just doesn't resonate with the swing voters or

The bring in Joe Biden at the convention and announce his candidacy.

Does Biden unite the base in a quick fashion and give the GOP candidate a run for their money? And what are the odds he can win?
 
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Grand Vol said:
So here's a question for the masses...

Say Hillary gets indicted (likely) and the DNC is faced with tossing up Bernie who just doesn't resonate with the swing voters or

The bring in Joe Biden at the convention and announce his candidacy.

Does Biden unite the base in a quick fashion and give the GOP candidate a run for their money? And what are the odds he can win?
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If Clinton is indicted post convention I don't see how Biden can win. He hasn't been in a campaign mode for four years, doesn't have the staff hired, and doesn't have the infrastructure in place for an "emergency" run even with the full backing of the DNC. It takes weeks and months to put the pieces in place to launch/run a campaign
 
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volinbham said:
I understand the argument and some polling data supports this but I think the analysis of voting to date doesn't necessarily support this.

In past primaries with 5 popular candidates what was the average margin for the person that won those primaries?

Getting more than a third of the vote in primaries with 5+ choices indicates preference.

We won't know until we get to 2 or 3 what the real level of support is.
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I said before Super Tuesday the numbers were skewed by having four main candidates and if two of the three trailing were to drop out, you'd have a real race as well as an indication as to who the true leader was.

But I'll disagree that getting a third of the vote indicates preference. That just indicates two-thirds of the voters don't want you.
 
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Burhead said:
If Clinton is indicted post convention I don't see how Biden can win. He hasn't been in a campaign mode for four years, doesn't have the staff hired, and doesn't have the infrastructure in place for an "emergency" run even with the full backing of the DNC. It takes weeks and months to put the pieces in place to launch/run a campaign
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The media would be part of and fast track his "campaign" should that happen.
 
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Burhead said:
If Clinton is indicted post convention I don't see how Biden can win. He hasn't been in a campaign mode for four years, doesn't have the staff hired, and doesn't have the infrastructure in place for an "emergency" run even with the full backing of the DNC. It takes weeks and months to put the pieces in place to launch/run a campaign
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Post convention, I agree, but I was discussing more of pre-convention. But I'll disagree that any political party can't change horses in the middle of the stream. It's not like he's an unknown in America and his policies are pretty much known. I don't think it would be that hard to toss up some Biden/??? stickers and signs and go full out in campaign mode.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I said before Super Tuesday the numbers were skewed by having four main candidates and if two of the three trailing were to drop out, you'd have a real race as well as an indication as to who the true leader was.

But I'll disagree that getting a third of the vote indicates preference. That just indicates two-thirds of the voters don't want you.
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Disagree. It means 2/3rds want someone else more than you.

The "would you ever vote for Trump" number is the better indicator of "don't want you" and IIRC that number is around 1/3
 
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Grand Vol said:
So here's a question for the masses...

Say Hillary gets indicted (likely) and the DNC is faced with tossing up Bernie who just doesn't resonate with the swing voters or

The bring in Joe Biden at the convention and announce his candidacy.

Does Biden unite the base in a quick fashion and give the GOP candidate a run for their money? And what are the odds he can win?
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I think he can win against Trump. I think he loses against Kasich if the base supports Kasich. I think it's a toss up against Rubio. I think he has an edge against Cruz.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So here's a question for the masses...

Say Hillary gets indicted (likely) and the DNC is faced with tossing up Bernie who just doesn't resonate with the swing voters or

The bring in Joe Biden at the convention and announce his candidacy.

Does Biden unite the base in a quick fashion and give the GOP candidate a run for their money? And what are the odds he can win?
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I think Biden/Warren would be a god-tier pairing. Extend an olive branch to the progressive wing and put a much more likable candidate at the head of the ticket to grab some of the voters who would normally vote D but are repulsed by Hillary.
 
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volinbham said:
Look at it this way - when Rubio was getting 15% did that mean 85% didn't like him? No since when Jeb dropped he went to 20%.

85% liked someone else better. Reduce the choice set and we get closer to like/don't like.
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I think we're on the same page (that last post was tongue in cheek BTW) but I believe the exit polls generally had the majority saying they viewed Trump unfavorably. And I would interpret that as "not voting for" but I could be wrong.

I do agree the numbers need to drop in order to have a clear picture. And that's something I have been saying for a while.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Should they also remove the concept of getting sick?
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The two things aren't related. I'm starting to think you're not intelligent enough to have this conversation.

I'm saying prescriptions aren't necessary and only serve to drive up the cost of health care
 
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Vol8188 said:
The two things aren't related. I'm starting to think you're not intelligent enough to have this conversation.

I'm saying prescriptions aren't necessary and only serve to drive up the cost of health care
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Hmmm..... So getting sick and treatment with prescription drugs are not related..... That's an interesting concept. Does this mean that breathing isn't related to living?
 
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