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volfanjustin said:
If I thought for one second the Trump who has done all this talking the past 6 months, was the real Trump and he would try all these programs I would be in. He gave $ to dems, he made statements that only a dem would make and still gives little details on any of his plans. He may not be bought, but he has been buying politicians which to me is no different.
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So here's an analogy I heard. If you want to catch hackers, you hire hackers. When the FBI wanted to catch frauds/check kiters they got the best guy out of jail and put him to work.

Who better than someone who's been on the buy side of influence buying to hire to attack the system?

My view on Trump on the issues is he has staked out positions for negotiating that are extreme and that he'll work his way back to a deal.

He won't require Muslims to register
He won't deport all illegal immigrants

He'll get something done in these areas but it won't be what he's saying now (which is good in my mind).

News Flash, the other candidates won't do all the stuff they are saying on the trail either.
 
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hog88 said:
Most billionaires have given to candidates from both parties, it's business. I don't hold that against him and find it a childish subject.

I look at it this way, he may be a complete fraud, we don't know. We do know Hillary is a complete fraud and liar, that's fact. If Trump is elected and doesn't make an attempt to reform the IRS, the tax code and Obamacare he'll only get 1 term. 1 term that will do less damage that HRC would do.
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I wish Hillary wasn't such a horrible human being or I would vote for her. I don't like any of the republican candidates but I'll keep an open mind especially if Trump reveals more
of his plans... But I don't think I can vote for someone who proposes that we ban people from entering the country based on relgion.
 
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DC_Vol said:
I completely understand how you feel. I agree and have said as much here: Trump is not a conservative.

I have huge reservations about voting for him. I wrestled with the possibility in my mind for quite some time. And my reasoning for deciding to vote for him (should he win the nomination) is somewhat vindictive.

I want the party to meltdown. Split. Whatever it takes. They have made a habit of ignoring the people who fought so hard to put them there for too long. Until now, there has been a very small price to pay. Sure, a few scalps here and there. But this is of their own making and I want to see them steamrolled.

I cannot adequately put into words how much I despise what the Republican Party has become and how much I detest the leadership.

That said, I understand and respect your position. Trump is really only a few childish episodes from me coming back to your side.
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The Romney performance today seals my official end to any association with the GOP. I'm with you, burn it down, split it apart and start over.

I'm not pro-Trump except as the catalyst for change.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Waahhhh nobody in Congress likes him.

Waahhhh he's part of the establishment.

You can't have it both ways.
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Both Cruz and Rubio are part of the establishment. Neither have any business running for POTUS since neither are IMO qualified. RP isn't qualified either but he was probably the only candidate other than Trump that could be considered not establishment.

As far as nobody likes Cruz, I can't speak to that other to say I highly doubt it's true.
 
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hog88 said:
Both Cruz and Rubio are part of the establishment. Neither have any business running for POTUS since neither are IMO qualified. RP isn't qualified either but he was probably the only candidate other than Trump that could be considered not establishment.

As far as nobody likes Cruz, I can't speak to that other to say I highly doubt it's true.
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You're wrong about Cruz. He has no support from the establishment inside the party.
 
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vols4sure said:
We are essentially witnessing a political party's murder-suicide. By attempting to murder their candidate, surely they recognize they are killing the party.

My lesser of two evil support will now go to Trump. Whether he runs as an independent or under the GOP ticket, I will be voting for Trump as an FU to the GOP.
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I'm pretty much there with you.

No way the GOP is winning this election without Trump as the nominee unless he voluntarily bows out (fat chance). If they screw him (continue to screw him) he'll go independent and split the vote.

Hello Pres Clinton.
 
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volinbham said:
The Romney performance today seals my official end to any association with the GOP. I'm with you, burn it down, split it apart and start over.

I'm not pro-Trump except as the catalyst for change.
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That's where I'm at now.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Just another example how the establishment does not get it, nor will they ever. They just done Trump a huge favor
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Agree. I cannot fathom who these establishment hacks are getting their advice from. Does anybody actually think that Romney's attempt at a Trump takedown is a good idea for anyone other than the idiots at the top who will lose their standing in a Trump led party?

Let's see now........

1) Set up primaries for the people to choose their favorite. Check.

2) After they choose someone that they really want, burn him to the ground. Check.

3) Piss off most of your voters. Check.

4) Bury the remnants of the party. Coming right up.
 
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Just saw a clip from when Trump endorsed Romney and Romney was talking about what great business man he (Trump) was and how he was a great job creator.

Now he's a business failure who inherited his business?

Go back to boxing Romney

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vols4sure said:
We are essentially witnessing a political party's murder-suicide. By attempting to murder their candidate, surely they recognize they are killing the party.

My lesser of two evil support will now go to Trump. Whether he runs as an independent or under the GOP ticket, I will be voting for Trump as an FU to the GOP.
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I think we should all take a moment to reflect on the hilarity of this entire process.

As a moderate, I've resigned myself to pain and suffering no matter who wins. I am totally looking forward to see how low the candidates stoop during the general campaign - this is shaping up to be the best cycle ever.

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volinbham said:
So here's an analogy I heard. If you want to catch hackers, you hire hackers. When the FBI wanted to catch frauds/check kiters they got the best guy out of jail and put him to work.

Who better than someone who's been on the buy side of influence buying to hire to attack the system?

My view on Trump on the issues is he has staked out positions for negotiating that are extreme and that he'll work his way back to a deal.

He won't require Muslims to register
He won't deport all illegal immigrants

He'll get something done in these areas but it won't be what he's saying now (which is good in my mind).

News Flash, the other candidates won't do all the stuff they are saying on the trail either.
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I guess I don't see a difference in the buyer or the person being bought.

I understand the other candidates won't, but I also know they were not democrats in the past.

I don't know what Trump will do on any issue, I could see him giving amnesty to every illegal I could also see him building a 100 ft wall and rounding them up.

Only positive is that his support give a middle finger to the GOP
 
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1972 Grad said:
Agree. I cannot fathom who these establishment hacks are getting their advice from. Does anybody actually think that Romney's attempt at a Trump takedown is a good idea for anyone other than the idiots at the top who will lose their standing in a Trump led party?

Let's see now........

1) Set up primaries for the people to choose their favorite. Check.

2) After they choose someone that they really want, burn him to the ground. Check.

3) Piss off most of your voters. Check.

4) Bury the remnants of the party. Coming right up.
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Desperate times call for desperate measures.
 
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volinbham said:
The Romney performance today seals my official end to any association with the GOP. I'm with you, burn it down, split it apart and start over.

I'm not pro-Trump except as the catalyst for change.
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How could they possibly think this will be received well?
 
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GAVol said:
How could they possibly think this will be received well?
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Just the latest in a long line of mistakes

Promising if voters gave them Congress thinks would be different

Backing Jeb

Rewriting the primary season to get the nominee chosen quickly

Completely underestimating Trump

Completely misunderstanding the electorate

I'm sure I'm missing some but this latest step would only be a surprise if they had a history of getting it right!
 
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Gramps said:
You areally missing the point.

If the party has primaries, the rules are set out up front as to how the delegates will be won. The candidates play by these rules. They even went so far as to ask the candidates to sign a pledge they will support whoever the nominee is. Now one of the candidates that the establishment cannot control is going to run away with the primaries, they choose to attack him, override the will of the majority of the voters and not support hI'm. That is as hypocritical as one could be.

If the GOP does not want the voters to decide who the nominee will be they need to fo 2 things.

1. Go to a "Super Delegate" process such as the dems have in order to control who the nominee will be. It suxs, however the candidates and voters know the process up front.

2. Stop asking candidates to sign a pledge to support whomever the voters nominate then turn around and not suppose said candidate themselves.

This is not so much about Trump as it is with the GOP powers doing all they can to override the will of the voters. There is no party without the voters, the party can remain without these idiots being in charge.

This is common sense every voter should agree with, regardless of who the candidate is th he Establishment does not approve of. The powers to be think they are above the will of the voters, can do whatever they want to and everyone fall in line line good little sheep.

If the voters choose a candidate that does loose the general, so be it. We should have to live with it. The establishment does not have a very good record of picking winners.
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I'm not talking about processes. I mean individual voters on voting day. Two people I work with for example. One is a die hard Cruz supporter. The other I think Cruz but I haven't heard her say that's who she'll vote for. She talks crap about Hillary/Bernie any time politics come up. Both have said they will not vote for Trump. If Trump is the republican candidate they'll either vote for a 3rd party candidate or stay home.

I've heard other people on radio call in shows here in Memphis share the view. They consider themselves a republican but will not vote for Trump. Trump may have a large fanbase, but there is a segment of republican voters that will not vote for him if he's the candidate.
 
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theFallGuy said:
These are 3 great points.

Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines.
Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system.
Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate.

But I'd also like to see the Flex Spending account limits increased again. The $2,500 limit right now is not helpful for families.
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Don't you get to deduct your premiums already? Mine come out before my income is taxed.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I'm not talking about processes. I mean individual voters on voting day. Two people I work with for example. One is a die hard Cruz supporter. The other I think Cruz but I haven't heard him say that's who he'll vote for. She talks crap about Hillary/Bernie any time politics come up. Both have said they will not vote for Trump. If Trump is the republican candidate they'll either vote for a 3rd party candidate or stay home.

I've heard other people on radio call in shows here in Memphis share the view. They consider themselves a republican but will not vote for Trump. Trump may have a large fanbase, but there is a segment of republican voters that will not vote for him if he's the candidate.
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The more Trump gets attacked though the less likely his supporters will go with the non-Trump nominee.

Catch-22.
 
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