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Vol8188 said:
So I show multiple examples of them being 100% aligned on foreign policy and your response is "lol".

Recent brain trauma?
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Nope, just the fact you take a video that starts with Rand Paul making accusations and turn it into "proof."

I find that utterly hilarious.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And just so you have the full conversation in context and not the highly edited version that YouTube video shows you:



Now whether or not it's a better place is obviously a point of debate. However, your video obviously slants towards the candidate you want and makes points that are entirely out of context.

Rubio's statements on Iraq have shifted but not flipped | PolitiFact Florida
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How does the full context in anyway change his stance? Either way he both supports the war and overthrowing dictators?

On top of that, he somehow believes destabilizing the Middle East has made us safer?

The "full context" you just displayed changes nothing and in no way seperates his views from Hillary. Do you even know what you're arguing at this point?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Nope, just the fact you take a video that starts with Rand Paul making accusations and turn it into "proof."

I find that utterly hilarious.
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I've shown multiple examples of their views being aligned. You claim they are not. Do you have anything to back that up? Or do you wish to simply admit you're wrong?
 
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Vol8188 said:
I've shown multiple examples of their views being aligned. You claim they are not. Do you have anything to back that up? Or do you wish to simply admit you're wrong?
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They agreed on the Iraq invasion (though that one obviously is debatable as it cannot be shoehorned into a yes or no answer like you want)

They agreed on the No Fly Zone.

They agreed on support for Syrian rebels.

Three times does not a alignment make.

Or you could just admit you're not going to be objective in looking at anything in this election and Rand Paul can do no wrong.
 
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Grand Vol said:
They agreed on the Iraq invasion (though that one obviously is debatable as it cannot be shoehorned into a yes or no answer like you want)

They agreed on the No Fly Zone.

They agreed on support for Syrian rebels.

Three times does not a alignment make.

Or you could just admit you're not going to be objective in looking at anything in this election and Rand Paul can do no wrong.
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That's 3 more examples than you've been able to provide. Do you have any? Or are you just going to continually deflect?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Do you even know what you're arguing at this point?
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I know exactly what I'm arguing. You on the other hand have always proven yourself to not quite be up to the challenge of in depth discussions on practically anything. And this time it really isn't any different.

I came into the election supporting Rand. And after digging into his politics, decided to shift my views elsewhere. He's completely unelectable and cannot, and will not, ever carry the conservative side of the spectrum. And the fact you can't realize this means you just don't have the cognitive abilities to discuss it with anyone.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That's 3 more examples than you've been able to provide. Do you have any? Or are you just going to continually deflect?
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What am I deflecting? That you're wrong that Rubio and Hillary are the same candidate?

This is what you're arguing?
 
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Grand Vol said:
I know exactly what I'm arguing. You on the other hand have always proven yourself to not quite be up to the challenge of in depth discussions on practically anything. And this time it really isn't any different.

I came into the election supporting Rand. And after digging into his politics, decided to shift my views elsewhere. He's completely unelectable and cannot, and will not, ever carry the conservative side of the spectrum. And the fact you can't realize this means you just don't have the cognitive abilities to discuss it with anyone.
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Who do you consider a "more conservative" candidate? Since you're clearly refusing to admit you're wrong about Rubio.
 
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Grand Vol said:
What am I deflecting? That you're wrong that Rubio and Hillary are the same candidate?

This is what you're arguing?
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Their foreign policy is the same. That's been my argument for awhile. And yes you've deflected multiple times by not addressing my claims and by providing 0

I repeat 0 counter examples
 
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Vol8188 said:
Who do you consider a "more conservative" candidate? Since you're clearly refusing to admit you're wrong about Rubio.
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I haven't made my mind up who I'm voting for at this point. I keep an open mind about it actually. But I am leaning towards Rubio for the moment.

You just can't accept the fact Rand cannot be elected. I like him, I think he might make a good running mate for another candidate, but on his own he will not secure the nomination.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I haven't made my mind up who I'm voting for at this point. I keep an open mind about it actually. But I am leaning towards Rubio for the moment.

You just can't accept the fact Rand cannot be elected. I like him, I think he might make a good running mate for another candidate, but on his own he will not secure the nomination.
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If he doesn't get the nomination, at least you'll have Hillary as a back up plan.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
And what does Rubio have to do with me pointing out that your post was opinion and not fact? It's a really simple question huff so perhaps you can humor me with a simple answer instead of making insinuatuons.
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I think you need to pay more attention. It's already been stated that Cruz's wife works for Goldman Sachs. Conveniently he missed the audit the fed vote. The Rubio comment is a joke about how often he misses votes/and is not really small .gov guy
 
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It looks like skeletons in Ted Cruz's closet are coming out.
Cruz did not disclose Goldman Sachs loan during 2012 Senate campaign
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Cruz and his wife Heidi, who works at Goldman Sachs, reported putting $1 million of “personal funds” into his campaign.
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a review of financial disclosures that the senator filed later showed that the Cruzes got low-interest loans from Goldman Sachs and Citibank maxing at $1 million, which were paid down later in 2012.
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Vol8188 said:
There's nothing wrong with his pitch. The issue is that fear and hatred resonate more with the idiots in the party.
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That's the excuse I'm going to use the next time I fail to close a sale. They were just scared and hated me.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Trump never makes any real points.

Christie just makes emotional arguments and repeats "I worked as a federal prosecutor" atleast 10 times each debate.

Rubio just says "what was Hillarys stance on foreign policy?"..."o, well I agree with that".

And Ted Cruz doesn't know where he stands
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All true, the difference is they show passion. Rand just drones, he's boring and doesn't hold the average persons attention. I'm not saying he wouldn't be the best POTUS out of those running, he's just not good at selling himself and his ideas.
 
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QuickSmurf said:
Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump = The craziest election I've ever seen in my lifetime.
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True, but they are two sides of the same coin.

Both rank and file Republicans and Democrats are sick of the symbiotic relationship between federal elected officials and big money interests. Average member of the House raised $1.6 million in 2012. Senators -- over $10 million.

People have figured out that our government is for sale.

The difference between Trump and Sanders is that Trump is blaming the for sale politicians, whereas Sanders is blaming the buyers.
 
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