2016 Election Thread Part Deux

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carlos86 said:
I missed the first part of the debate. But I came in right when Trump was trashing NATO, Japan, and South Korea for supposedly not paying the U.S. for housing troops in their countries. This was the first thing I saw on twitter this morning.

"Japan pays ~$1.7B/yr to support stationing of US troops, South Korea ~$900MM. Their contributions rise w/ inflation"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...g-asian-allies-defense-thats-not-really-true/
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Yea he got all fired up and basically tried to BS his way through this. I think the way he worded his statement regarding the $73M was wrong.

"We pay approximately 73% of the cost of NATO, that's a lot of money to protect other people," he said.

The US actually only pays about 22% of NATO's operational budget; member states' contributions to NATO's organizational budget is proportionate to their respective gross national income. But the NATO budget only funds the civil budget, military budget and the Security Investment Program. This is a relatively small portion of national defense spending by all the countries, with the entire budget being slightly more than $2 billion. The US contribution to NATO's direct funding is less than 1% of the US defense budget.

Trump is likely referring to the US share of defense spending among NATO countries -- that number is indeed 73%. The imbalance is due in part to the fact that only five NATO members meet the NATO recommendation that each country spend 2% of its GDP on defense, and the US GDP is significantly larger than all the other NATO members.
 
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SWIL said:
So was Clinton prepared for the debate?
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You could say that....

BREAKING! The Truth Is Revealed! Look How The Debate Was Rigged For Hillary

According to sources, Hillary Clinton had access to all the debate questions a week ahead of time. The debate was rigged for Clinton and the Media knew it all along.

The Baltimore Gazzette reported: Earlier last week an NBC intern was seen hand delivering a package to Clinton’s campaign headquarters, according to sources. The package was not given to secretarial staff, as would normally happen, but the intern was instead ushered into the personal office of Clinton campaign manager Robert Mook. Members of the Clinton press corps from several media organizations were in attendance at the time, and a reporter from Fox News recognized the intern, but said he was initially confused because the NBC intern was dressed like a Fed Ex employee

The reporter from Fox questioned campaign staff about the intern, but campaign staff at first claimed ignorance and then claimed that it was just a Fed Ex employee who had already left. No reporters present who had seen the intern dressed as a Fed Ex employee go into Mook’s office saw him leave by the same front entrance. The Fox reporter who recognized the intern also immediately looked outside of the campaign headquarters and noted that there were no Fed Ex vehicles parked outside.

Clinton seemed to have scripted responses ready for every question she was asked at the first debate. She had facts and numbers memorized for specific questions that it is very doubtful she would have had without being furnished the questions beforehand.
 
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Obsessed said:
You could say that....

BREAKING! The Truth Is Revealed! Look How The Debate Was Rigged For Hillary

According to sources, Hillary Clinton had access to all the debate questions a week ahead of time. The debate was rigged for Clinton and the Media knew it all along.

The Baltimore Gazzette reported: Earlier last week an NBC intern was seen hand delivering a package to Clinton’s campaign headquarters, according to sources. The package was not given to secretarial staff, as would normally happen, but the intern was instead ushered into the personal office of Clinton campaign manager Robert Mook. Members of the Clinton press corps from several media organizations were in attendance at the time, and a reporter from Fox News recognized the intern, but said he was initially confused because the NBC intern was dressed like a Fed Ex employee

The reporter from Fox questioned campaign staff about the intern, but campaign staff at first claimed ignorance and then claimed that it was just a Fed Ex employee who had already left. No reporters present who had seen the intern dressed as a Fed Ex employee go into Mook’s office saw him leave by the same front entrance. The Fox reporter who recognized the intern also immediately looked outside of the campaign headquarters and noted that there were no Fed Ex vehicles parked outside.

Clinton seemed to have scripted responses ready for every question she was asked at the first debate. She had facts and numbers memorized for specific questions that it is very doubtful she would have had without being furnished the questions beforehand.
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Hahahha.... Nice blog website. I guess posting stuff from the drudge or politico makes it true.

Sad thing is people on here will believe this story
 
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Sin City Vol said:
Yea he got all fired up and basically tried to BS his way through this. I think the way he worded his statement regarding the $73M was wrong.

"We pay approximately 73% of the cost of NATO, that's a lot of money to protect other people," he said.

The US actually only pays about 22% of NATO's operational budget; member states' contributions to NATO's organizational budget is proportionate to their respective gross national income. But the NATO budget only funds the civil budget, military budget and the Security Investment Program. This is a relatively small portion of national defense spending by all the countries, with the entire budget being slightly more than $2 billion. The US contribution to NATO's direct funding is less than 1% of the US defense budget.

Trump is likely referring to the US share of defense spending among NATO countries -- that number is indeed 73%. The imbalance is due in part to the fact that only five NATO members meet the NATO recommendation that each country spend 2% of its GDP on defense, and the US GDP is significantly larger than all the other NATO members.
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Thanks for clarifying the 73% number. I wondered where he was getting that myself.

But I could see how it might be easy to confuse the two. Funding NATO versus how much money is spent on the defense of same. But a Presidential candidate should be able to make the distinction.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
Hahahha.... Nice blog website. I guess posting stuff from the drudge or politico makes it true.

Sad thing is people on here will believe this story
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What's even more sad, is folks that think it isn't possible...

Maybe there are some emails to prove this...hmmmmm
 
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Grand Vol said:
Thanks for clarifying the 73% number. I wondered where he was getting that myself.

But I could see how it might be easy to confuse the two. Funding NATO versus how much money is spent on the defense of same. But a Presidential candidate should be able to make the distinction.
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He needs to brush up on issues. He contradicted himself last night on nuclear weapons policy and he was asked a similar question last December. All he knows is the make a big boom.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
He needs to brush up on issues. He contradicted himself last night on nuclear weapons policy and he was asked a similar question last December. All he knows is the make a big boom.
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There was a part of me that actually thought he might try to learn some policy issues - you know, being that he wants to be the leader of the free world and all. In retrospect, I was giving him way too much credit.
 
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I've been watching CNN for the last couple hours and I'm going to guess that the world is at peace, economy is rocking, crime is nonexistent and everything is great. Otherwise why would they cover a former Miss Piggy for the last 2 hours?
 
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hog88 said:
I've been watching CNN for the last couple hours and I'm going to guess that the world is at peace, economy is rocking, crime is nonexistent and everything is great. Otherwise why would they cover a former Miss Piggy for the last 2 hours?
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She was on cnn, msnbc and fox at the same time. I kept flipping the channel cause I didn't want to listen to her.
 
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Obsessed said:
You could say that....

BREAKING! The Truth Is Revealed! Look How The Debate Was Rigged For Hillary

According to sources, Hillary Clinton had access to all the debate questions a week ahead of time. The debate was rigged for Clinton and the Media knew it all along.

The Baltimore Gazzette reported: Earlier last week an NBC intern was seen hand delivering a package to Clinton’s campaign headquarters, according to sources. The package was not given to secretarial staff, as would normally happen, but the intern was instead ushered into the personal office of Clinton campaign manager Robert Mook. Members of the Clinton press corps from several media organizations were in attendance at the time, and a reporter from Fox News recognized the intern, but said he was initially confused because the NBC intern was dressed like a Fed Ex employee

The reporter from Fox questioned campaign staff about the intern, but campaign staff at first claimed ignorance and then claimed that it was just a Fed Ex employee who had already left. No reporters present who had seen the intern dressed as a Fed Ex employee go into Mook’s office saw him leave by the same front entrance. The Fox reporter who recognized the intern also immediately looked outside of the campaign headquarters and noted that there were no Fed Ex vehicles parked outside.

Clinton seemed to have scripted responses ready for every question she was asked at the first debate. She had facts and numbers memorized for specific questions that it is very doubtful she would have had without being furnished the questions beforehand.
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The 'scuses are rolling now.

Blame the microphone, the moderator and the questions all you want. In the end, Trump failed to deliver anything of substance, acted like a petulant child and got his butt handed to him by the worst democratic candidate in modern history.

He had the audacity to admonish her for taking time off the "trail" to prepare for the debate? LoL wat?

Trump was a fool to think he could show up and wing it. This isn't an interview for a TGIF busboy position. He'd be better suited to bone up on policy position instead of arguing what he wants us to believe versus what we already know.
 
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Obsessed said:
You could say that....

BREAKING! The Truth Is Revealed! Look How The Debate Was Rigged For Hillary

According to sources, Hillary Clinton had access to all the debate questions a week ahead of time. The debate was rigged for Clinton and the Media knew it all along.

The Baltimore Gazzette reported: Earlier last week an NBC intern was seen hand delivering a package to Clinton’s campaign headquarters, according to sources. The package was not given to secretarial staff, as would normally happen, but the intern was instead ushered into the personal office of Clinton campaign manager Robert Mook. Members of the Clinton press corps from several media organizations were in attendance at the time, and a reporter from Fox News recognized the intern, but said he was initially confused because the NBC intern was dressed like a Fed Ex employee

The reporter from Fox questioned campaign staff about the intern, but campaign staff at first claimed ignorance and then claimed that it was just a Fed Ex employee who had already left. No reporters present who had seen the intern dressed as a Fed Ex employee go into Mook’s office saw him leave by the same front entrance. The Fox reporter who recognized the intern also immediately looked outside of the campaign headquarters and noted that there were no Fed Ex vehicles parked outside.

Clinton seemed to have scripted responses ready for every question she was asked at the first debate. She had facts and numbers memorized for specific questions that it is very doubtful she would have had without being furnished the questions beforehand.
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What a shook that an entire campaign premised upon merely "looking good," slogans, rage, and conspiracy theories behaves like an entire campaign premised upon merely "looking good", slogans, rage, and conspiracy theories after getting a very thorough whipping in the first debate.
 
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UTCVol said:
There was a part of me that actually thought he might try to learn some policy issues - you know, being that he wants to be the leader of the free world and all. In retrospect, I was giving him way too much credit.
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He doesn't want to be the leader of the free world, at least not in any serious sense. He's an uneducated narcissist who loves power and sees a guy like Putin and decides he is entitled to what Putin has. Unlike Putin and completely ignorant and pathologically ill, he doesn't actually want to be a leader though. He wants to look good, have people cheer him, and make lots of money. He wants to do what Putin does, but he doesn't understand how Putin is able to do what Putin does. He wants the US to be Putin's Russia, but he doesn't understand what conditions are necessary before one can do such a thing.

He is, in other words, the biggest loser to ever be nominated a presidential candidate in this country.
 
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volprof said:
He doesn't want to be the leader of the free world, at least not in any serious sense. He's an uneducated narcissist who loves power and sees a guy like Putin and decides he is entitled to what Putin has. Unlike Putin and completely ignorant and pathologically ill, he doesn't actually want to be a leader though. He wants to look good, have people cheer him, and make lots of money. He wants to do what Putin does, but he doesn't understand how Putin is able to do what Putin does. He wants the US to be Putin's Russia, but he doesn't understand what conditions are necessary before one can do such a thing.

He is, in other words, the biggest loser to ever be nominated a presidential candidate in this country.
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Nah, Trump comes in second at best - Hiliary wins the "biggest loser" category hands down. When looking back at the primary and independent/other party fodder, neither is probably at the top of the list. However, one thing we probably do agree on is that we as citizens are the real losers when politics degenerates to this level. There is another thing we do agree on - Trump is a steaming pile of crap - always has been and always will be; but in this instance he is the least offensive pile of crap.
 
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AM64 said:
Nah, Trump comes in second at best - Hiliary wins the "biggest loser" category hands down. When looking back at the primary and independent/other party fodder, neither is probably at the top of the list. However, one thing we probably do agree on is that we as citizens are the real losers when politics degenerates to this level. There is another thing we do agree on - Trump is a steaming pile of crap - always has been and always will be; but in this instance he is the least offensive pile of crap.
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She's such a loser that she started from a white middle class background to become one of the most well known women in the world. Built a political empire with her husband, became First Lady and is possibly about to become the first female president of the United States. All of this without a small loan of a million dialed and a trust fund to help get ahead in life....
 
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Sin City Vol said:
She's such a loser that she started from a white middle class background to become one of the most well known women in the world. Built a political empire with her husband, became First Lady and is possibly about to become the first female president of the United States. All of this without a small loan of a million dialed and a trust fund to help get ahead in life....
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It's easier to get elected and peddle influence than to build a successful business.
 
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