2016 Election Thread Part Deux

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The question is with Hillary...

Being that the super delegates currently assigned to her are unbound, do we see any of them start defecting towards Bernie with his recent string of successes? I wonder if any have had second thoughts in the past couple of weeks considering what's been going on.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The question is with Hillary...

Being that the super delegates currently assigned to her are unbound, do we see any of them start defecting towards Bernie with his recent string of successes? I wonder if any have had second thoughts in the past couple of weeks considering what's been going on.
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I doubt that happens...but head to head, Sanders is polling better than Clinton against Trump in the swing states
 
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lawgator1 said:
The dividing lines in this new polling are deeply racial. Societal discord and even unrest and violence are increasing because both sides exploit the divide for their own purposes. I don't see it getting any better over the years. I think it is going to get worse. A lot worse.
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You know that's what community organizers (PC term for agitator) do - they divide. Remember ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now); there's a model for you. They unite one group to play it against others for political gain, and the Obama administration has played the game very well. We are a far more polarized country as a result of his effort. Obama simply moved his community organizing to a higher level; he's never been a president for all. You reap what you sow - just what you are pointing out. But be honest enough to put the bigger part of the blame where it belongs, and also recognize that when pushed human nature is to push back.
 
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VolnJC said:
I doubt that happens...but head to head, Sanders is polling better than Clinton against Trump in the swing states
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Sanders is polling high for one reason. He has had nobody attack him, and run up his negatives yet. Trump would take him down in less than a month.
 
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AM64 said:
You know that's what community organizers (PC term for agitator) do - they divide. Remember ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now); there's a model for you. They unite one group to play it against others for political gain, and the Obama administration has played the game very well. We are a far more polarized country as a result of his effort. Obama simply moved his community organizing to a higher level; he's never been a president for all. You reap what you sow - just what you are pointing out. But be honest enough to put the bigger part of the blame where it belongs, and also recognize that when pushed human nature is to push back.
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Grand Vol said:
At some point you're going to realize how childish it is to keep posting this nonsense.

Or I'd hope a man of your years would understand how immature it is.
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I wouldn't take some of the things He posts about Trump seriously if a large majority of Trump supporters didn't believe in these things.
 

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lawgator1 said:
Trump is the one who started this fiasco, and you damn well know it. His whole platform and strategy has been to appeal to white male racial resentments.
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TFG said it best, but you know as well as I do regardless of the GOP candidate on stage, the race card is going to be whipped out.

Romney in 2012? Racist.

McCain in 2008? Racist and stereotypical old white guy

Bush 43? Racist.

About the only one that's escaped that card in recent memory was Bob Dole.

Trump? Racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophobic and probably hates cats.

I'm really sorry your girl is going down in flames at the hands of a 74 year old socialist that happens to be the non-establishment candidate in a year where the "establishment" is taking a beating. Better luck in 2020 I guess.
 
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theFallGuy said:
you'd be saying this no matter who the Republican nominee was
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No. I do think that the GOP primaries invariably would contain some element of that, just based on the demographics. But Trump has actively played to those resentments. He doesn't even try to hide that this is his strategy, which is in some ways to his credit.

It worked, too, at least in terms of getting the nomination. Trump went right to that strategy, because he is not as much concerned with winning the general as he was blasting the establishment.

Most GOP candidates walked a fine line. A wink to the white resentment factor, but not openly courting them or encouraging them, because to do so opens you up to heavy criticism in the general. Its been that way for decades, really.

Trump said F it, and went right to that fire, and stoked it. That's why he is the nominee. In some ways, as I say, he deserves credit for not beating around the bush about it. In other ways, his success with that strategy is simply confirming what the demographics have been telling us was eventually going to happen.

Trump is going to be the last gasp of the white male pillar of the GOP. As much as the GOP will accuse Clinton of pandering to racial minorities this summer to have won the White House -- and by the way, they will be right about that -- in the ashes of the electoral disaster that is to befall them, the GOP leadership are going to have to sit down next year and figure out a way to reform the party.
 
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Grand Vol said:
TFG said it best, but you know as well as I do regardless of the GOP candidate on stage, the race card is going to be whipped out.

Romney in 2012? Racist.

McCain in 2008? Racist and stereotypical old white guy

Bush 43? Racist.

About the only one that's escaped that card in recent memory was Bob Dole.

Trump? Racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophobic and probably hates cats.

I'm really sorry your girl is going down in flames at the hands of a 74 year old socialist that happens to be the non-establishment candidate in a year where the "establishment" is taking a beating. Better luck in 2020 I guess.
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Going down in flames? You really don't think this will be a close race? I expect Hillary to win by a small margin.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Trump is the one who started this fiasco, and you damn well know it. His whole platform and strategy has been to appeal to white male racial resentments.
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Absolutely no relation to how democrats try to appeal to minorities racial resentments......

I mean angry at "old white men" running the country..or white peoples wealth, or white people this white people that..

Yeah..Trump has said way worse to inflame racial tensions..
 
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Vol8188 said:
Going down in flames? You really don't think this will be a close race? I expect Hillary to win by a small margin.
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From where she started? Yeah, her campaign is in serious turmoil at the moment when she can't even put away Bernie Sanders. And the only reason she's still out so far ahead is because of the super delegate count.

Her popularity is slipping each and every day and the DNC voters are starting to ask the same questions others have. "What does she really bring to the table?" And she doesn't have anything to add save "I'm going to continue Obama's work...and vote for me because I'm a woman!"

There's two things keeping her afloat right now: she's a woman and she's a Clinton.
 
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Grand Vol said:
From where she started? Yeah, her campaign is in serious turmoil at the moment when she can't even put away Bernie Sanders. And the only reason she's still out so far ahead is because of the super delegate count.

Her popularity is slipping each and every day and the DNC voters are starting to ask the same questions others have. "What does she really bring to the table?" And she doesn't have anything to add save "I'm going to continue Obama's work...and vote for me because I'm a woman!"

There's two things keeping her afloat right now: she's a woman and she's a Clinton.
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The reason she cannot shake Bernie is because she, unlike Trump, has been running in the general election since the very beginning.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The reason she cannot shake Bernie is because she, unlike Trump, has been running in the general election since the very beginning.
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She can't shake him for many reasons: she is a terrible candidate, dem primary voters are far far left bernie appeals to them as much as she tries she can't get to the left of bernie and she has a huge issue getting white men votes.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The reason she cannot shake Bernie is because she, unlike Trump, has been running in the general election since the very beginning.
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Sure...

The DNC anointed her as the presumptive candidate the very day she declared. Actually, even before then. Perhaps not in public, but there was nobody else they were going to support.

Enter Bernie. And he didn't care if she was going to be the nominee regardless of the connections or influence or damn what the DNC said. He's run a true grassroots campaign and continues to challenge her at every turn. How many States has she won in the past month or so? And again, she just can't seem to put him away.

You can say she ran a general campaign. Might I suggest she got herself into trouble by not focusing on the threat from within.
 
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