2016 Election Thread Part Deux

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AM64 said:
I agree. but that is simply one step. The illegal migration will continue until we take several positive steps. Cut off jobs, cut off any benefits, stop giving citizenship to babies born to anyone here illegally, stop any federal funds to sanctuary cities, and start punishing businesses and charitable/religious groups that support illegals. Actually stopping people at the border and turning them back is only one step; ending the perception of the US as a haven is essential.

A year or so ago TV cameras were taping a flood of illegals crossing the border. They did not look dirty, tired, or malnourished from a long trek across a desert. They had help, and I'd bet Catholic charities are up to their necks in it.

Eds are a problem, but with welfare programs, minimum wage, nanny tax and so on Ed doesn't really have much access to low cost labor. So government aids and abets the need as much as it actually fails to apply existing law that acts as a deterrent.

With respect to the deportation numbers - if even true. If x equals inflow and y equals outflow and y is even approximately related to the total accumulation, it has to increase because x is certainly greater than y and (x-y) times years of accumulation is a significantly large and ever increasing number. And those numbers don't even touch on the anchor baby issue - pop a kid here and you can "legally" import a family.
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You're assuming it (illegal immigration)needs to stop. Why?
 
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Vol8188 said:
My house isn't a country, so you're entire argument about locking my doors is absurd. What are illegals going to take from us? Because I only lock my doors so people don't steal ****
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Well, how about jobs? I'm not talking about harvesting crops, I'm talking about semi-skilled and labor jobs. Marcus just explained some of that to you and it apparently went over your head. How about legal immigration through the H-1B program. That program was designed to bring in skills that we were short on at the time. Now it's being used to replace American workers in technical areas and replacing them with cheaper labor.
 
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KentheOrange said:
Well, how about jobs? I'm not talking about harvesting crops, I'm talking about semi-skilled and labor jobs. Marcus just explained some of that to you and it apparently went over your head. How about legal immigration through the H-1B program. That program was designed to bring in skills that we were short on at the time. Now it's being used to replace American workers in technical areas and replacing them with cheaper labor.
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Sounds like you're describing a weak culture of entitlement and corporate welfare. No one's job should be protected. It's competition that drives the market. Competition in labor is a great thing.

The savings in labor provide the entire nation with a higher standard of living through increased buying power. It's the same reason we shouldn't use tariffs to save manufacturing jobs. Because it costs all of us, to save a few thousand people in Detroit.
 
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Danl said:
Yeah, those guys. They seem to be deporting illegals by the hundreds of thousands per year.

U.S. deportations of immigrants reach record high in 2013 | Pew Research Center

If illegal immigration is a problem, then the easiest, cheapest, most definite way of curing the problem is to severely punish those who illegally hire illegal immigrants. If companies know that they will be severely punished for illegal hiring they won't do it. But most sheeple won't even think about it from that angle because its not what their favorite talking head has got them all stirred up about. I see this all the time in my neighborhood. "Ed" has two illegals doing his yard work on Saturday morning. Saturday afternoon, at the neighborhood BBQ, "Ed" is on his soapbox about how those ficking illegals are ruining the country.
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You need to do more research on the definition of deporting. It was apparently changed by the Obama administration to include the ones turned around at the border.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Sounds like you're describing a weak culture of entitlement and corporate welfare. No one's job should be protected. It's competition that drives the market. Competition in labor is a great thing.

The savings in labor provide the entire nation with a higher standard of living through increased buying power. It's the same reason we shouldn't use tariffs to save manufacturing jobs. Because it costs all of us, to save a few thousand people in Detroit.
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This post was brought to VN by a teacher..... A profession with "tenure".
Maybe the school systems should start paying illegals under the table to teach.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Pandering? Meh he ain't got nothing on old bag Hillary. When The Donald starts churning out stereotypical accent after stereotypical accent give me a buzz.
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They're both pathetic. Seriously. They're both the damn same. The only difference is one wears a red tie and the other wears a blue one.
 
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KentheOrange said:
You need to do more research on the definition of deporting. It was apparently changed by the Obama administration to include the ones turned around at the border.
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You're missing the point. The manager of a job site is complaining that there are hundreds of illegal workers at that job site, yet he apparently has done nothing to remedy the situation at his own job site. Why not?

Now if he has repeatedly called the cops, the INS, homeland security, the folks that did the actual hiring, etc and has gotten no response, that's another story. I've asked him if he has or has not done this. He hasn't replied (yet). Let's let him reply.
 
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Trump on his debt proposal: "First of all, you never have to default because you print the money."
 
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Danl said:
You're missing the point. The manager of a job site is complaining that there are hundreds of illegal workers at that job site, yet he apparently has done nothing to remedy the situation at his own job site. Why not?

Now if he has repeatedly called the cops, the INS, homeland security, the folks that did the actual hiring, etc and has gotten no response, that's another story. I've asked him if he has or has not done this. He hasn't replied (yet). Let's let him reply.
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My dad runs a construction company and will not hire any illegals or pay anyone under the table.
 
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If Trump follows through on his threat to transform one of the safest investments in the world into one of the riskiest, it would shake the underpinnings of the global economy. Either he knows something the rest of the world does not, or he has no idea what he’s talking about when it comes to sovereign debt. Given his call for Puerto Rico to declare bankruptcy — something that is forbidden under U.S. law — our bet is on the latter.
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Donald Trump Wants To Make America Greek Again | Foreign Policy

One of the key questions to be answered by Loser Election 2016 is which loser the two loser parties nominate will make us all a bunch of losers the quickest. In other words, which loser candidate - Trump or Clinton - will tank our economy the fastest?

Right now, it's looking like Trump for the fail. I mean, he's the "king of debt," as he says.
 
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