2016 Election Thread Part Deux

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Obsessed said:
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Bernie Sanders Bought a $172,000 Car with Campaign Donations : snopes.com
 
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malinoisvol said:
Does this mean people born too Mexican parents in the US are Mexican citizens?
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It's always been that way - at least with most countries. Kids regardless of where born are generally citizens of the parent's country, and may be citizens of the country where born. The US grants citizenship by birth on US soil, but many countries have stopped doing so - to prevent the anchor baby problem that we continue to ignore. Australia, France, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, and the UK are some of the countries that don't do citizenship for "tourist" babies; yet we rarely do anything about the blatant Chinese "tourist baby mills". If granted dual citizenship, I think they have to declare one or the other at some point about the age of maturity. But those babies born to illegals here still have Mexican citizenship - they aren't stateless, and no reason they can't go home with the parents.
 
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Obsessed said:
I don't give a damn what snopes says. The pic is funny. And if you think he's clean, you are a fool.
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Sanders is wrong on many issues but the guy isn't flashy and his net worth is one of the lowest among Senators

Out of 100 U.S. Senators, Bernie Sanders’ net worth is #86

This is his house
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RobsPics said:
Conservatives you heard it!! Time to hop on the Bernie Sanders train!!! :dance2::dance2::dance2:
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Nothing in that list that someone dedicated to the good of the country shouldn't do - regardless of party. Perhaps you think the warning about oxygen masks should read differently based on political affliction? And, yeah, that's the word I intended.
 
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AM64 said:
Nothing in that list that someone dedicated to the good of the country shouldn't do - regardless of party. Perhaps you think the warning about oxygen masks should read differently based on political affliction? And, yeah, that's the word I intended.
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Perhaps you thought Sanders was a Democrat? At most he's a DINO.
 
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VolnJC said:
Sanders is wrong on many issues but the guy isn't flashy and his net worth is one of the lowest among Senators

Out of 100 U.S. Senators, Bernie Sanders’ net worth is #86

This is his house
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Not a fan of Bernie at all. But, to say he is a bad person or doesn't reflect his beliefs accurately is crazy. I disagree with dang near all his views, but he is passionate about them and doesn't pander nearly as much as others. I have to respect that.
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
Not a fan of Bernie at all. But, to say he is a bad person or doesn't reflect his beliefs accurately is crazy. I disagree with dang near all his views, but he is passionate about them and doesn't pander nearly as much as others. I have to respect that.
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He just apparently sucks at his job.

We have had enough failures.

And he panders plenty.
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
Not a fan of Bernie at all. But, to say he is a bad person or doesn't reflect his beliefs accurately is crazy. I disagree with dang near all his views, but he is passionate about them and doesn't pander nearly as much as others. I have to respect that.
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Yeah, I wouldn't vote for him but I respect him..Joe Biden is the same..guy used to take the Amtrak to work daily..bought his house years ago after learning it was to be torn down


Joe found it one night, a couple of years after he became a Senator. He was driving around, like he did back then. He was snooping around Greenville, streets of his dreams, when he saw it, all overgrown, boarded up. Some developer was going to knock it down because the four and a half acres were worth more than the house.
 
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Obsessed said:
He just apparently sucks at his job.

We have had enough failures.

And he panders plenty.
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Bernie has strong beliefs, but he has been consistent with them throughout his political career. He does not flip flop unlike other candidates. There is a clear difference between his speeches and hillarys.
 
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AM64 said:
Something I keep coming back to is party bases. Democrats and Republicans alike have some core of voters who simply identify with the brand (like Ford or Chevrolet people). It's hard to say what could move them, but it has happened; yellow dog Democrats did become Republicans all across the South.

Democrats have pandered to and basically bought a large low or no income bloc. Liberalism (which the Democrats now claim) attracts a huge chunk of young voters and still others who see capitalism as unfair. Those alone count for a big base without even needing to court other blocs - religion, LGBT, by ethnicity,etc.

The Republicans have tried to compensate by cobbling together blocs like conservative Christians, but when you get right down to it the Republicans have almost nothing to directly offer most of us. It's harder to visualize lower taxation vs a check and benefits for nothing. One is more dollars per check - probably no great percentage, and the other is free stuff right there in your hand.

The only way that middle income people really benefit is in job availability, lower taxation, and a fair marketplace for goods and services; and the Republicans have been looking the other way. Example: the banking/investment meltdown(s) because Congress and regulators pandered to the banks and to real estate - they didn't protect the constituents. They've continually allowed mergers in many fields which has prevented the opportunity for better pricing. The healthcare world is a prime mess - Republicans (and Democrats) pandered to drug, medical supply, insurance companies and to the trial lawyers. Rather than address any of those (even Medicare/Medicaid drug price negotiation) they allowed the Obamacare abortion to pass - might have had the votes if they'd worked for their constituents over the years.

What the Republicans have to face is they just don't have a lot to offer unless they make some major strategy changes. Illegal immigration probably gains more votes than it alienates. The conservative Christian thing may very well be a loser - just too many young liberals - same with welfare reform. That probably doesn't leave a lot but issues that most voters can like - clean the place up - campaign finance reform, lobbying reform, anti-monopolistic policy, banking/investment reform, healthcare cost reform, foreign trade/jobs (protectionism - we'll take care of our own, thank you), cleaning up the legislative process (like no hidden agendas - one item per bill), fiscal responsibility. That means parting ties with the very select and very wealthy, and I doubt that either party is willing to go there. Beyond that and the inherent un-likability of Hillary and Bernie's "socialism", Republicans pretty much have nothing.
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The Republican Party has no concrete ideology. It's a space where libertarians coexist with theocrats, where free marketers coexist with protectionists, where billionaires coexist with dirt poor folks from Appalachia. There's a reason the "party of no" designation has stuck - nobody knows exactly what the GOP is trying to achieve other than opposing the every move of the Democrats. People voted them into Congress en masse and they've accomplished nothing in terms of changing the direction of the country. Where is the cohesive effort on the part of Republican congressmen like we saw back in the 90s? I see a handful of people attempting to make a difference and then a handful of uniparty stooges.

The idea of "a rising tide lifts all boats" is a lot more subtle than entitlements. But I think Romney somewhat mischaracterized the situation - there are a ton of poor rural voters who go for the Republicans despite it probably not being in their best financial interest. I'm sure there are a lot of factors at play there - values of self-dependency, religion, nationalism, etc, but it's hard to reconcile the needs of those people with hedge fund managers under one giant umbrella.

Social conservatism is a lost cause among millennials - not so much in terms of abortion (which will always be a contested issue), but stuff like gay marriage and the entwinement of religion and government, absolutely. Millennials place a disproportionate influence on social issues just because those are the things that readily affect their friends and that they encounter through their media. It's easy to understand these issues because it's pretty binary. Economic issues generally aren't as pressing. I'm not sure about welfare reform - most don't want to see people dying on the street, but also believe that there has to be some sort of personal accountability in receiving entitlements. Of course, the youth will always tilt left to some extent, but this generation grew up during what is widely considered a catastrophe of a presidency, culminating in the recession. Between these events and the rise of left-leaning media like Colbert, Stewart, Oliver, and the like, it's no wonder they're so predisposed against the GOP. The party has been so utterly incompetent this millennium that it's a wonder it still has this much support. The need for alternate options is clear.
 
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Persian Vol said:
Bernie has strong beliefs, but he has been consistent with them throughout his political career. He does not flip flop unlike other candidates. There is a clear difference between his speeches and hillarys.
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So he's consistently wrong and a loon...

He is not interested in compromise from his beliefs? Sounds like a winner to me.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Whomever is behind the scenes continuing to drop these random names (Paul Ryan is another that has straight up said NO! but continues to get tossed around) needs to get a sock in their mouth.

I'm not a Trump fan at all. But he's winning right now and that's all there is to it.
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This has Karl Rove written all over it. He's the one that floated the false story about McCain's black love child during the 2000 race while working for Bush.
 
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Obsessed said:
So he's consistently wrong and a loon...

He is not interested in compromise from his beliefs? Sounds like a winner to me.
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I'm not going to disagree that he isn't a winner. Because I don't like his ideas. But like others have said he's been consistent in his views. Agree or disagree with him, I find it hard not to respect him.
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
I'm not going to disagree that he isn't a winner. Because I don't like his ideas. But like others have said he's been consistent in his views. Agree or disagree with him, I find it hard not to respect him.
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Isn't his wife a lobbyist?
 
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Had to look it up. She's his advisor and worked on educational legislation for him. Worked with a few universities before that. Not much to look at though...
 
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