2016 Election Thread Part Deux

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volprof said:
You take a lot of crap on here, Carlos, but you keep up the good fight.

Neither you nor I are under any delusions concerning what this election is about or who the candidates really are. But you identify the bigger threat, and for that, those who are either in denial or just hate women (only two feasible explanations) will try to demean you.
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I've noticed when people provide intelligent answer or make an intelligent case against Trump his supporters don't really have much to say but call you names.
 
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GAVol said:
1) who knows if those numbers are remotely accurate?
2) when did it become abnormal for a large company to use debt in a low interest rate environment?
3) the debt number out of context is meaningless.
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"Beyond finding that companies owned by Mr. Trump had debts of at least $650 million, The Times discovered that a substantial portion of his wealth is tied up in three passive partnerships that owe an additional $2 billion to a string of lenders, including those that hold the loan on the Avenue of the Americas building. If those loans were to go into default, Mr. Trump would not be held liable, the Trump Organization said. The value of his investments, however, would certainly sink."


How do we know its accurate???

"To gain a better understanding of Mr. Trump’s holdings and debt, The Times engaged RedVision Systems, a national property information firm, to search publicly available data on more than 30 properties in the United States. The Times identified these assets through Federal Election Commission filings, information provided by the Trump Organization and records, such as filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission."


When said company has more debt than liquid cash assets it usually becomes a problem.
 
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carlos86 said:
"Beyond finding that companies owned by Mr. Trump had debts of at least $650 million, The Times discovered that a substantial portion of his wealth is tied up in three passive partnerships that owe an additional $2 billion to a string of lenders, including those that hold the loan on the Avenue of the Americas building. If those loans were to go into default, Mr. Trump would not be held liable, the Trump Organization said. The value of his investments, however, would certainly sink."


How do we know its accurate???

"To gain a better understanding of Mr. Trump’s holdings and debt, The Times engaged RedVision Systems, a national property information firm, to search publicly available data on more than 30 properties in the United States. The Times identified these assets through Federal Election Commission filings, information provided by the Trump Organization and records, such as filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission."


When said company has more debt than liquid cash assets it usually becomes a problem.
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And when these assets increase in value after he's elected president due to his economic programs and he not only clears all debt but increases his said net worth by 2 billion, what will you say then?

Some of you don't understand business. Sure there is debt on paper. But a asset holds the value.
 
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Obsessed said:
And when these assets increase in value after he's elected president due to his economic programs and he not only clears all debt but increases his said net worth by 2 billion, what will you say then?

Some of you don't understand business. Sure there is debt on paper. But a asset holds the value.
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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/04/trum...started-running-for-president-commentary.html

Donald Trump 2016: Trump’s Run for President Is Damaging His Brand - POLITICO Magazine

"Among the people Trump’s business depends on—the consumer making over $100,000 a year—the value of the Trump name is collapsing."

"since Donald Trump’s run for president, the Trump brand has lost the confidence of the people who can afford to stay at one of his hotels, play at one of his country clubs or purchase a home in one of his developments. It is also rapidly losing its association with the gilded traits Trump has long promoted as the essence of his business."

"In categories such as “prestigious,” “upper class” and “glamorous” the Trump name has plummeted among high-income consumers. Within the same group, it is also losing its connection with the terms “leader,” “dynamic” and “innovative”—quite a blow for a man who criticizes others for being “low energy” and considers himself an industry trailblazer."
 
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carlos86 said:
"Beyond finding that companies owned by Mr. Trump had debts of at least $650 million, The Times discovered that a substantial portion of his wealth is tied up in three passive partnerships that owe an additional $2 billion to a string of lenders, including those that hold the loan on the Avenue of the Americas building. If those loans were to go into default, Mr. Trump would not be held liable, the Trump Organization said. The value of his investments, however, would certainly sink."


How do we know its accurate???

"To gain a better understanding of Mr. Trump’s holdings and debt, The Times engaged RedVision Systems, a national property information firm, to search publicly available data on more than 30 properties in the United States. The Times identified these assets through Federal Election Commission filings, information provided by the Trump Organization and records, such as filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission."


When said company has more debt than liquid cash assets it usually becomes a problem.
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$650M?? His net worth is anywhere from $5-10B. So anywhere from 5-10% of his business lol. In a world where interest rates are near zero, it's almost fiduciary malfeasance to not take out loans and buy productive assets. As long as he didn't overpay, he'll survive even in a downturn. I bet if you compared his debt to asset ratio to any other major business it's about the same.
 
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carlos86 said:
When said company has more debt than liquid cash assets it usually becomes a problem.
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Do what?!?. When interest rates are almost zero, why? Everybody has more debt than liquid assets.

I swear I'm not trying to defend Trump. But your analysis of debt in a vacuum by itself is laughable.
 
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GAVol said:
Do what?!?. When interest rates are almost zero, why? Everybody has more debt than liquid assets.

I swear I'm not trying to defend Trump. But your analysis of debt in a vacuum by itself is laughable.
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Debt to equity is what I believe he's thinking of, and debt vs equity can be an issue.

Either way it's odd to see republicans get on board with increased spending and national debt
 
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Tin Man said:
Yes, Obama's administration has been cranking up the deportation of foreigners within our country illegally. Numbers during Obama's administration exceed those of his predecessors. While he talks of the need to soften the process for parents of children born in the USA, his DHS and DOJ are tossing them out by bus and plane loads. The article you link to makes it plain that Immigration Court judges are thwarting administration efforts to repatriate foreigners to their homelands.
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This administration counts turning people back at the border as 'deportations'. Next.
 
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I'll use the comparison that a Trump supporter at my job used. He compared the Trump Organization to Apple stating that Apple has over $40 billion in debt. But Apple is worth over $1 trillion and makes between $200-400 billion a year making that $40 billion in debt look like a drop in the bucket. Apple has enough cash assets to the point that it can take risks, make risky investments and it won't take a hit. Trump on the other hand has over $600 million in debts and liabilities and only around $300 -$350 in cash. Which means 1) he's upside down in his debt to cash ratio and 2) he can't make any high risk:high reward investments without the possibility of him taking a huge hit. He lacks any flexibility and is stuck constantly refinancing his debt which the Bank of China, Goldman Sachs ext ext.
 
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According to Business Insider, Donald Trump has most likely donated around $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation, currently the object of his biggest attack upon his opponent, besides for perhaps his other allegation that she wears Depends and is, therefore, mentally incompetent to act as president.

Given that he is a known Clinton donor and a self-admitted manipulator of our own political system, which he oddly claims he'll clean up (kind of like how a convicted drug felon admits he'll do nothing but clean up drug crimes if you only give him access to all the names of known drug dealers along with access to their stashes), it should not surprise any of us that he has wet his own Depends yet again.

I swear, someone has to be yanking our chain! I never really entertained the notion that Trump is a Clinton mole, like some have said along, until the Mateen father/pedophile ex-Congressman incidents occurred. It wasn't just the coincidence, it was the fact that both were positioned in exactly the same spot in the crowd, only a day or two after the other, and that Trump even went out of his way to draw attention to the extreme vetting that goes on in his campaign when it comes to who gets to sit behind him on stage.

Is someone fooling us? This has to be the biggest trolljob in history, right?
 
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volprof said:
According to Business Insider, Donald Trump has most likely donated around $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation, currently the object of his biggest attack upon his opponent, besides for perhaps his other allegation that she wears Depends and is, therefore, mentally incompetent to act as president.

Given that he is a known Clinton donor and a self-admitted manipulator of our own political system, which he oddly claims he'll clean up (kind of like how a convicted drug felon admits he'll do nothing but clean up drug crimes if you only give him access to all the names of known drug dealers along with access to their stashes), it should not surprise any of us that he has wet his own Depends yet again.

I swear, someone has to be yanking our chain! I never really entertained the notion that Trump is a Clinton mole, like some have said along, until the Mateen father/pedophile ex-Congressman incidents occurred. It wasn't just the coincidence, it was the fact that both were positioned in exactly the same spot in the crowd, only a day or two after the other, and that Trump even went out of his way to draw attention to the extreme vetting that goes on in his campaign when it comes to who gets to sit behind him on stage.

Is someone fooling us? This has to be the biggest trolljob in history, right?
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Man, I wish the CF would release their entire donor list, that just might bury Trump.
 
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