2013 NFL Free Agent Thread

#226
#226
I'm not sure on Flynn, but can he be worse than Palmer was? Worst trade ever? The Bengals got the #17 pick last year, the #37 pick in this upcoming draft, and they dumped Palmer's ridiculous contract.

Raiders are so bad.

BTW, I grew up in Oak Ridge. How is the atomic city doing?
 
#227
#227
n_huffhines said:
I'm not sure on Flynn, but can he be worse than Palmer was? Worst trade ever? The Bengals got the #17 pick last year, the #37 pick in this upcoming draft, and they dumped Palmer's ridiculous contract.

Raiders are so bad.

BTW, I grew up in Oak Ridge. How is the atomic city doing?
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Good, Big Ed's is still awesome, and they hot an Aubry's and a new Kroger soon
 
#228
#228
JL 103 said:
As the Raiders turn. What is the fascination with Matt Flynn?
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His cap hit is $7.5 million less than Palmer. And he isn't Matt Leinert. And, that's about it.

Honestly, one of the most godawful trades in recent history. Long way to go to put the Raiders back on track.
 
#229
#229
Vegas_Ferguson said:
His cap hit is $7.5 million less than Palmer. And he isn't Matt Leinert. And, that's about it.

Honestly, one of the most godawful trades in recent history. Long way to go to put the Raiders back on track.
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The Raiders are like anyones crazy uncle. They never get back on track. They fired a guy that lead them to seven wins.
 
#231
#231
JL 103 said:
The Raiders are like anyones crazy uncle. They never get back on track. They fired a guy that lead them to seven wins.
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Jason Campbell was 8-5 and they traded an arm and a leg for Palmer and dumped Campbell. Palmer went 8-16.
 
#233
#233
n_huffhines said:
Ridiculous...this is gonna be one of those things where they totally flop after getting all the big names in free agency. Either that or they're building the best team ever.
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They still have 13 picks. If Nnamdi makes trouble, he's gone. Boldin is a good teamate from what I heard.
 
#234
#234
n_huffhines said:
Jason Campbell was 8-5 and they traded an arm and a leg for Palmer and dumped Campbell. Palmer went 8-16.
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They gave up on Campbell too soon IMO.

Calling the organization's culture a train wreck is doing a disservice to the railroad industry. Kept watching that mock draft thread and seeing all those excellent players fly off in the second round was sad. :jpshakehead:
 
#236
#236
The Raiders might have decent management now. Most of the terrible decisions were made in the last regime. But it's hard to tell given how cash strapped, lacking of draft picks, and talent poor they are. I mean McKenzie didn't have a pick until the fourth round last year. And his team was at the cap. It's the worst situation in the NFL, which is saying something given the Bills.
 
#237
#237
King had a good take on the Raiders and the previous regime:

Raider fans: You want the good news or the bad news?

The bad: Oakland is missing two of its top five picks in this year's draft (the second- and fifth-rounders), leaving the team with just one choice in the top 65, and will have about $75 million to spend on the salary cap this year, a league low. That's because of approximately $48 million in dead money from the normal $123 million cap each team has. Some bad, bad contracts from the final days of Al Davis -- and the onerous decision to deal for and to pay big money to Carson Palmer in 2011 -- led to this mess.

The good: In 2014, Oakland will be in the best cap shape of any team -- or very close to it -- because GM Reggie McKenzie took his cap medicine in his first two years on the job. The Raiders will have approximately $50 million to spend in free agency and to extend the contracts of good players on their roster next year.

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The level of incompetence in the draft room by the Raiders is stunning. Over the past nine years they're the only team to not draft a Pro Bowl player in the first round. The year-by-year futility in drafting:

2004 -- Drafted tackle Robert Gallery second overall. Couldn't hack tackle. Became a decent guard. Now out of football.

2005 -- Drafted cornerback Fabian Washington 23rd overall. Now out of football.

2006 -- Drafted safety Michael Huff seventh overall. Just left for Baltimore as an unrestricted free agent.

2007 -- Drafted quarterback JaMarcus Russell first overall. Russell and Ryan Leaf are the biggest quarterback busts in NFL history. Now out of football.

2008 -- Drafted running back Darren McFadden fourth overall. When healthy, he's a very good back, but he's missed 23 games due to injury in five years. Enters the season as the Raiders' prospective starting back.

2009 -- Drafted wideout Darrius Heyward-Bey seventh overall. Just left for a modest free-agent deal in Indianapolis.

2010 -- Drafted linebacker Rolando McClain eighth overall. Two arrests, one team suspension and three in-and-out seasons later, he was released by McKenzie last week.

2011 -- Al Davis used the first-round pick in a trade the previous year for defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who was cut by McKenzie in a cost-cutting move last month.

2012 -- Former coach Hue Jackson used the first-round pick in a trade the previous year for Palmer, who was traded by McKenzie to Arizona in a cost-cutting move last week.

Nine first-round picks in the last nine years, and the Raiders have just one of the players used with the nine picks on the roster today. That is all-time incompetence. McKenzie is here to clean up the mess. It's categorically unfair to judge the job he's doing until at least the end of the 2014 season.


Read More: 2013 NFL Draft lacks elite prospects, but features good depth - NFL - Peter King - SI.com
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#238
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Weezy said:
King had a good take on the Raiders and the previous regime:
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This utterly sums it up. And it doesn't even take into account some of the other dreadful FA acquistions: D'Angelo Hall. Randy Moss spent two years in the witness protection program here. Russell Maryland. Warren Sapp.

I remember Vince Evans returning for a few games over two seasons. And try explaining to someone what a Rusty Hilger is.

I think Reggie McK. is the man for the job. But he must be given appropriate time to do it because the mess is enormous.
 
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#239
#239
My friend is friends with Manemaneula and he said it's like the Raiders players don't give a **** at all on the field.
 
#240
#240
n_huffhines said:
My friend is friends with Manemaneula and he said it's like the Raiders players don't give a **** at all on the field.
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It seems so. IMO somewhere along the line the mythic Raiders of the 60s and 70s where rebels and malcontents thrived became purely myth.

Davis thought any outlaw type he brought in would adhere to the Commitment to Excellence and excel as a winner. Alls he got were rebels and malcontents that had no game and no heart for 10+ years now, the resurgent Gruden years notwithstanding.
 
#241
#241
BearCat204 said:
Reid is the wild card, I agree. I have always trusted his evaluation of QBs, but I still think they gave up too much. He could end up working out, but I think it will not be an upgrade at all especially when you consider what they gave up. I will be the first person to admit if I am wrong though.
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I was wrong
 
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#242
#242
BearCat204 said:
Ok there "bud"..........to even insinuate that KC's defense or surrounding cast is even close to SF's is absolutely ridiculous. KC has Hali, Berry, and Houston from defense selected to the PB.........how was the rest of the defense? Who knows if Sutton can turn the defense around, but its laughable that anyone thinks that Alex Smith is worth what they gave up for him. IMO
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