2013 NC WR Marquez North (UT signee)

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RhodesVol said:
It can, but to be honest, the application process is pretty much all about you numbers (LSAT score and GPA).

If you don't meet the minimum, you are often not even considered.

However, I could see that a former UT football player would be given some deference in the application process for diversity purposes. Diversity in this context is far more than just racial (just to preempt the "racist IMO" responses); it takes into consideration institution attended, what state an applicant is from, the interests and activities engaged in by the applicant, and several other factors.
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Someone said UNCs law school is better than ours. So what's the difference or what makes their program so special?
 
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RhodesVol said:
It can, but to be honest, the application process is pretty much all about you numbers (LSAT score and GPA).

If you don't meet the minimum, you are often not even considered.

However, I could see that a former UT football player would be given some deference in the application process for diversity purposes. Diversity in this context is far more than just racial (just to preempt the "racist IMO" responses); it takes into consideration institution attended, what state an applicant is from, the interests and activities engaged in by the applicant, and several other factors.
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The concept of diversity truly is taken to extremes at some Ivy League schools. I remember my undergrad major professor telling me about a colleague of his, who had been a football player at Arkansas State. This gentleman applied for med school at the University of Arkansas and was turned down. He was accepted, however, to Hah-vuhd Medical School. Their rationale? "We haven't had anyone from that state in a long time."
 
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BruinVol said:
Yes and my question was does a pre law degree at tenn help get into our law school anymore so than any other pre law degree with qualifying test scores?

I thought this was answered as no
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Actually, that was not your question. A "pre law" degree is not a prerequisite only a Bachelor.

The answer to your question is not no but maybe.
 
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darkgable said:
Someone said UNCs law school is better than ours. So what's the difference or what makes their program so special?
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I was surprised to see UT's Law School ranked 5th in the nation. That was not all that many years back. I was told that Estes Kefauver (former senator and presidential candidate) had waited tables to pay his way through law school here and when he became famous talked several moneyed people into major contributions.
 
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BruinVol said:
Lets say admission to the law school is down to one more spot. Same GPA/and test score. Would they select the kid that had a UT undergrad or an outsider?
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Speaking from experience, UT Law School seems to prefer more outsiders for their program. They do take instate applicants, but the instate acceptance for the law school as compared to undergrad is much different. I was told that the law school wanted to be more diverse, that is, have more from outside the state. It is kind if a shame, but it is what it is. I went to another instate law school, and many, many in my class were in a similar situation. Others had gone to UT undergrad or were from TN and could not get in. The school I went to though had a better bar passage rate than other in the state anyway.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Speaking from experience, UT Law School seems to prefer more outsiders for their program. They do take instate applicants, but the instate acceptance for the law school as compared to undergrad is much different. I was told that the law school wanted to be more diverse, that is, have more from outside the state. It is kind if a shame, but it is what it is. I went to another instate law school, and many, many in my class were in a similar situation. Others had gone to UT undergrad or were from TN and could not get in. The school I went to though had a better bar passage rate than other in the state anyway.
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Which is?
 
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darkgable said:
Someone said UNCs law school is better than ours. So what's the difference or what makes their program so special?
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They have more top tier applicants, and therefore can be more selective in their admissions process.

They also probably have more tenured faculty that have published more books.

Prestige of an institution goes a long way in the rankings, and vice versa...it's an interesting process they way they calculate the rankings.

For instance, this year UT law lowered the number of students they admit fairly substantially, so that they could be more selective, because they had slipped in the rankings some from last year.

Diversity of the student body is a factor, and I agree with the previous poster that the concept of a diverse student body can be a somewhat arbitrary criteria.

Again, a good deal of it comes down to the scores, undergrad GPA's and institutions of the applicants.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
The concept of diversity truly is taken to extremes at some Ivy League schools. I remember my undergrad major professor telling me about a colleague of his, who had been a football player at Arkansas State. This gentleman applied for med school at the University of Arkansas and was turned down. He was accepted, however, to Hah-vuhd Medical School. Their rationale? "We haven't had anyone from that state in a long time."
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My roommated from college had a similar situation, but is now on scholarship at Baylor med...which is a much higher ranked institution than one he which did not accept him.
 
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I would NEVER go to UNC. Football is an afterthought. Academics there are overrated. Davidson, Duke, and Wake all have better academics and that's just in NC.
 
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What Rhodes said is dead on.

It's great that North wants to go to law school, I hope it works out for him. Just think that basing where you do your undergrad on what kind of law school they have is a little like picking an italian restaurant based on whether you like the chinese place down the street.

An undergrad at UT or UNC will get you into any law school in the country if your GPA and LSAT are high enough. That's why, as I've said before, the real factor for these guys should be the Thornton center and its equivalent and how much academic support they will have as athletes.
 
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RhodesVol said:
They have more top tier applicants, and therefore can be more selective in their admissions process.

They also probably have more tenured faculty that have published more books.

Prestige of an institution goes a long way in the rankings, and vice versa...it's an interesting process they way they calculate the rankings.

For instance, this year UT law lowered the number of students they admit fairly substantially, so that they could be more selective, because they had slipped in the rankings some from last year.

Diversity of the student body is a factor, and I agree with the previous poster that the concept of a diverse student body can be a somewhat arbitrary criteria.

Again, a good deal of it comes down to the scores, undergrad GPA's and institutions of the applicants.
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It's all about rankings. We have gotten away from the goal of education because of rankings. I have a good friend who went to Vandy Law School, and they couldn't get lower than a C in most classes. Vandy wants to keep their students and not mess with rankings. At Memphis, you can fail out. We had several in our class that invested a whole year and failed during their second year.
 
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I'm willing to bet that he comes out of the UNC visit saying UT and UNC are even. He's going to leave the decision open for speculation until NSD.
 
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I served for a year as the undergrad pre-law coordinator at Arizona State U, several years ago and now do academic advising AT ASU in the School of Business for our "Legal Studies" business major (about 1/2 my current students have law school as their goal).

My general take on some of the law school discussion -

As mentioned, law schools look at the following in order:
1) LSAT scores
2) GPA
3) personal statement in application

Law schools are trying to build diversity in their classes on many different levels - ethnicity; national/regional; academic; etc.

Also - law schools applications are down and trending down over the last few years. Out-of-state students can mean more revernue to a law school.

In a particular students case - I would advise the student to go to law school in the stae s/he wants to practice in once s/he graduates. If a student has the opportunity to do their undergrad in a different state than where they want to practice law, I would advise to go out-of -state for their undergrad.

Based on academic and national/regional diversity, Law Schools (by default) can end up with higher LSAT scores and GPA's for their first year students coming from in-state - i.e if UNC law school has 100 applicants coming from NC schools and 1-2 applicants coming from a state that is not NC, then in the name of diversity, that out-of-state applicant may get in with lower scores than the actual accepted applicants from in-state. (Also remember the out-of-state tuition revenue advantage here as well.

If North wants to practice law in NC - he should do his undergrad in TN. This may give him a better shot at getting into law school in NC.
 
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RhodesVol said:
For instance, this year UT law lowered the number of students they admit fairly substantially, so that they could be more selective, because they had slipped in the rankings some from last year.
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What is their mission, to educate future lawyers or to boost their own ratings? Clearly the latter is their choice, and that seems very wrong to me.
 
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Vol Main said:
What is their mission, to educate future lawyers or to boost their own ratings? Clearly the latter is their choice, and that seems very wrong to me.
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Ratings are the reality for higher education everywhere - not just TN.

Also with the number of law school applicants decreasing nation-wide, it is probably an intelligent move for UTK Law to down-size. They may not be shutting out out as many future students as it appears.

Its also about supply and demand for lawyers in society. There are a lot of lawers working and with the rate of future grads, there is probably not enough work out there for them to pay back their student loans.
 
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Sound statistical criteria are certainly involved, but the process of ranking universities, let alone specific academic departments or degree programs, is equal parts art and science. UNC is generally regarded as a "public ivy," UT is not. Overall university prestige does not transfer wholesale to the evaluation of individual programs but it does have bearing.

Depending on the specific discipline in which a prospective student is seeking graduate education, the criteria used in ranking graduate programs may actually have little relevance to his/her particular needs. I went through UT's grad program in Anthropology during Peyton's tenure. Although UT's overall departmental ranking was not stellar, it absolutely was considered to be among the elite for forensic anthropology students. On the other hand, I never would have considered going to Vanderbilt, despite its acadmic reputation. Their small program then accepted only candidates who wished to specialize in Mesoamerican archaeology. At this level, the right decision, for the student, is often predicated upon just how precisely his/her research interests match those of the faculty in any given program.
 
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TempeAZVOL said:
Ratings are the reality for higher education everywhere - not just TN.

Also with the number of law school applicants decreasing nation-wide, it is probably an intelligent move for UTK Law to down-size. They may not be shutting out out as many future students as it appears.

Its also about supply and demand for lawyers in society. There are a lot of lawers working and with the rate of future grads, there is probably not enough work out there for them to pay back their student loans.
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And if they don't pay their student loans, then the bar will not allow them to practice law to earn money to pay their student loans.
 
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Mike Farrell ‏@rivalsmike
I have a feeling the #Vols have the lead now heading into Marquez North's visit to #UNC next weekend.
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**ORANGEBLOOD** said:
Mike Farrell ‏@rivalsmike
I have a feeling the #Vols have the lead now heading into Marquez North's visit to #UNC next weekend.
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Farrell is one the most respectable Rivals guys! Farrell loves UT! Farrell is well connected and knows his stuff!! Huge News!!




(Sarcasm :thumbsup:)
 
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