2013 LB recruiting

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Spartacavolus said:
Good to know your expertise on players that haven't played a down of college football yet. Call it whatever year you want.
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I don't see Zanca, Barnes, and Campbell as SEC caliber LBs. That is my opinion.

If you don't like it fine, keep riding with Sal and his LBs nobody else wants.
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
Question: people are bashing C Harris. Yet they are praising the class of linebackers with AJ and Maggitt. Do they not realize they are the same class?


Flowd82
Are you currently playing college football? What year are you? What position? Thanks
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Yes sir. I play LB and have two years of eligibility left.
 
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sjt18 said:
All players who do not play as Fr are failures... don't you know anything?:whistling:
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It seems Luke everyone wants kids to come in and shine as freshmen and sophomores. I know the last few years we have played a lot of young guys, but that is because we did not have any older talent. We finally have some older guys that cam play and we complaint because freshmen can't come in and be ALL-SEC.
 
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sammyjoey said:
+1

We need to be signing the guys where you don't have to be Coach Sal to tell that he's a stud. Me, the Rivals analysts, Coach Sal, and every coach in the country could've told you that Jadaveon Clowney and Trent Richardson were talented. That's the kind of players we need.

Now, Coach Sal can probably scout a guy like Zanca and see something in him that an amateur like me can't see, something that makes him better than the other 5.5s. But the whole class can't be guys that it takes a professional to tell you if they'll be any good or not.

All that to say, I'm not giving up on the class yet. Wins cure everything, and I think we'll be much more attractive to the top guys in November than we are now. Plus, Dooley showed last year that he'll recruit over the summer commits if he's able to. So I'm confident about where this class will end up. But I'm underwhelmed with it so far.
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for some reason this post reminds me of a ron white bit. " let me tell ya what im looking for in a Fu$%^*% tree, im looking for a tree that you can tell is alive even if you dont know sh*$ about trees." sorry if nobody else sees the resemblance lol
 
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UTFanForLife said:
Dooley and company have 100 pct more insight than all of us combined and you all insult them. Nice.
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Few on here actually insult him. Most of us rightfully want him to succeed. Some aren't willing to support every move so blindly is where people but heads.
 
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Had Santos and Peters not jumped ship we would be praising our lb group. Just because we have a couple of question marks as commits right now why does everyone assume we aren't trying for the bigger name recruits who most likely will not sign any time before NSD.
 
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PA Vol said:
Guy has more insight than 99% of the rest of us on how to play a position and you insult him. Nice.
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First, 99% of you, not me.
Second, playing lb at any level has zero to do with questioning lbs before they have put on the pads. Especially when you value your opinion more than coaches that have rings on their fingers, and haven't been at camps or practices to evaluate.

One of us is in college and thinks he knows it all. One of us has been around sports for longer than the other has lived, and respects coaches evals over opinions of forum posters.

Pretty simple concept.
 
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flowd82 said:
I agree with the OP.

LB recruiting hasn't been anything to brag about the last two cycles. Dooley did a great job landing Johnson and Maggit in the 2011 cycle, but last year's LB haul was not good. This year's doesn't look much better besides Vereen. I like his game.

All UT fans keep on with the "let's trust Sal's evaluations, UT coaches know way more about talent than you, etc." arguments. Obviously UT's coaches know more about evaluating talent than VN posters do, but that doesn't change the fact UT isn't getting elite LBs. UT is missing on the elite, high-level LBs and I think Sal is realizing that and having to settle for LBs that aren't quite as talented. Does that mean UT LB commits are terrible or that I don't think Sal can evaluate talent? No, it means I think Sal and UT's defensive staff are having to settle when it comes to LB recruiting. Everybody on here was talking about how Christian Harris was an underrated LB recruit and was going to surprise some people and he hasn't done anything yet. Given, he has plenty of time to do so, I just don't see it happening.

Besides Vereen, what offers do UT LB commits have? Campbell I don't believe has any, Barnes is holding down the fort with a Southern Miss and Furman offers, and I believe Zanca has a Purdue offer. That is really it. Given, they have the rest of the summer to go to camps and gain offers. But, I don't want UT to continually pick up LB recruits that are "underrated, under the radar type guys that other major colleges don't want anything to do with.

Maybe I am just greedy, but I would like UT to sign LBs that have offers from every major college across the country by the end of their junior year/begginning of summer before their senior season, NOT LBs that have 2 mid-major offers in July that have to try to go through camp circuits to get any more offers. I know every now and then some players do get overlooked and I understand that, but for the most part, the big-time studs don't get overlooked too often.

I want UT to be a winning football team again. I want UT to have kick-ass defenses again. Nothing personal, but I don't see UT winning championships again with the caliber of LBs currently committed. Just my opinion. I think Sal is good at evaluating talent, but at this point there aren't too many elite LBs knocking down the door. UT needs to win this year and surprise some people and then I think UT can quit settling for talent and start to pick up better talent.

* I am ready for the bashing I am about to receive for this. *
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You all remember Jeff Luc? Everyone melted down when he went to FSU because he was the next Al Wilson. I was one of those guys too, but 2-3 years later, and he hasn't sniffed the field FSU fans don't even know who he is now, and he is transfering I'm sure to a D 2 school. So yea we don't know that much. You have to evaluate the game and not the stars and even when the film looks good, it doesn't always work out.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I will gladly take the opinion of Sal over that of a Carson Newman lb.
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I would hope you would. I don't play for CN though.

I gave my opinion on a message board, I don't see the problem. You obviously don't agree with my opinion, and that is fine. But there is no need to insult me over the level of football I play.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
First, 99% of you, not me.
Second, playing lb at any level has zero to do with questioning lbs before they have put on the pads. Especially when you value your opinion more than coaches that have rings on their fingers, and haven't been at camps or practices to evaluate.

One of us is in college and thinks he knows it all. One of us has been around sports for longer than the other has lived, and respects coaches evals over opinions of forum posters.

Pretty simple concept.
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I don't value my opinion over Coach Sal. I just said I don't think UT's current LB committments are good enough to get UT to a championship level. I don't see how that correlates to me saying I am a better talent evaluator than a Division-1 football coach. I have never said what you are claiming. It's a simple concept.

Also, I do not think I know it all. Nor have I once posted that or acted like that on this message board. If I have, by all means show me the post. And I'm glad that you are older than me and have been around sports longer. Because of you being around for so long, I would expect you to act mature like an adult and not insult other posters about their life and abilities on a message board because you disagree with their opinion. But I guess I am expecting too much. I am done talking with you on the subject. Good luck to you.
 
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flowd82 said:
I would hope you would. I don't play for CN though.

I gave my opinion on a message board, I don't see the problem. You obviously don't agree with my opinion, and that is fine. But there is no need to insult me over the level of football I play.
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Agree. No reason to get personal.

Honestly, based on highlight films, Barnes does not look like an SEC linebacker to me. Really, a linebacker period. Zanca looked pretty good, and there were so few few highlights on Campbell that I can't tell much.

As far as offer lists, I can see why you're skeptical. I'm willing to wait and see on senior highlights and later camp results since the coaches have seen them in person. I wouldn't at all be surprised if at least one of these guys gets dropped in favor of a more highly touted prospect.
 
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I didn't say anything personal. I just said I'll take Sals opinion of lbs that can get us to an sec championship, over yours. You are a soph in college, and disagree with Sal. You aren't disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with him in regards to players that haven't donned pads yet.

You can disagree as you wish, but it doesn't mean I can't tell you how silly that looks. Disagree with play calling, gameplan, etc, but arguing over a player who the HC, DC, and DL, lb or db coach offered after running through drills shows the maturity expected from recruiting gurus with zero coaching experience and little playing experience.

And playing football at any college level is cool. It just doesn't mean you know more than UT's DC.
 
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Ever think maybe Sal took some of these guys because we missed on higher rated targets? What would convince a recruit to come to UT right now over bama lsu etc. We have a perceived dead beat coach and havent done anything notable in almost ten years. Thats why we are recruiting against mid majors and not the top dogs
 
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Spartacavolus said:
First, 99% of you, not me.
Second, playing lb at any level has zero to do with questioning lbs before they have put on the pads. Especially when you value your opinion more than coaches that have rings on their fingers, and haven't been at camps or practices to evaluate.

One of us is in college and thinks he knows it all. One of us has been around sports for longer than the other has lived, and respects coaches evals over opinions of forum posters.

Pretty simple concept.
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I can respect our coaches' opinion, flowd82's opinion and even spartacavolus' opinion simultaneously...I am just that special :)


Think we can all agree on Go Big Orange! Time to win!
 
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