2013 Election

#52
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FLVOL69 said:
You must be ecstatic ...
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Not ecstatic but pleased that same sex couples now have the same rights as everyone else.

It's not particularly hard to understand why it's a good thing unless you are a close-minded, homophobe.
 
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#53
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TN Ribs said:
Not ecstatic but pleased that same sex couples now have the same rights as everyone else.

It's not particularly hard to understand why it's a good thing unless you are a close-minded, homophobe.
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So you are a person full of hate is what you are saying.
 
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If anything, Memphis is closer to being the "Detroit of the South" than Atlanta.
 
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volmaverick said:
Did I say that.. nope

But for the black Mayors.. the percentage that are corrupt is extremely high as compared to the white Mayors! Are u saying it is not?
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I would say equal. I would bet there are very few mayors, if not any, who don't use the job to benefit themselves in some inappropriate way.

Like they say, power corrupts and human beings have a great ability to make their idea of the best interest of society match their own incentives.
 
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#62
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utvolpj said:
sorry but that's just stupid
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No just turning the tables. According to him/her. If I don't see it as good, I'm close minded. Values are different. So if he doesn't agree with mine. He must be close minded. Basically how he is putting it.
 
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RollinVol said:
No just turning the tables. According to him/her. If I don't see it as good, I'm close minded. Values are different. So if he doesn't agree with mine. He must be close minded. Basically how he is putting it.
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you're not turning anything. You're making a ridiculous argument that treating others as lesser people is a valid value set. You are advocating for control over the personal lives of others. Live your life and let others live theirs
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think people calling this a referendum on the TP are overstating things because the strength of the movement varies from state to state, and because the TP is still in many ways without an articulable set of core positions. The TP is as much about a general sense of anxiety over the way things have and are changing, politically and socially, and its not like you can say "The TP supports more drilling," or "The TP is against insurance reform."

In a way, that makes it easier to tap into the TP as a resource for votes. "I think like you do. This country is turning to s#it because of Obama and Democrats." That'll get some hoopla from the crowds. But then it gets tougher when its time to say "We are all in accord that this is what we should do about it," because there is no accord.
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And here's the problem, your lack of understanding of the entire matter. You are quite ignorant of what the Tea Party movement is overall and for someone you supposedly despise, it astounds me you don't know more about them.

The Tea Party movement, not the Tea Party, is not a national level "party" but rather a grassroots campaign at local levels, maybe even up to the State level, but nothing at the national level. There are no "Tea Party" candidates any more than there are "Sierra Club" candidates or "NAACP" candidates. However, there are politicians they happen to endorse. There was no formal endorsement of Romney/Ryan last year because there is no national level headquarters to give that support. State and local sections might have, but otherwise, no.

The whole "core positions" nonsense is just that. It depends on who the candidate is, what they represent, what they bring to the table and how will they serve that interests the Tea Party movement. It will vary district to district, State to State. What someone wants or desires in Florida is going to be radically different from someone in say Utah. So hence, there is no "common core" of beliefs at the national level. As well there shouldn't be "core beliefs" since everyone is looking for something different. I suppose your ignorance is bliss.

You wold think as much of a threat as you perceive them to be you would have gotten educated by now.
 
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TN Ribs said:
Really? Wow, nice spin job. Now move along.
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It happens to be true.

I don't believe in same sex marriage on moral grounds. Knowing that, I'm labeled a "religious nut job" and a "bigot" by those that support that movement even though I've never voiced those opinions in a public forum.

Bigot: Noun a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)
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Now how is it that I'm a bigot because I don't support same sex marriage on religious and moral grounds and those that do support it are not? Is it not the exact reverse? So my beliefs are wrong and I'm unfair. The opposite beliefs are right and they are fairly stereotyping me as a "bigot?"

Instead of those that support the whole same sex agenda agreeing to disagree with my moral viewpoints and leave well enough alone, they feel the need to stereotype those that disagree and "fairly" refuse to accept my beliefs.

Yet, I'm the bigot.
 
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utvolpj said:
you're not turning anything. You're making a ridiculous argument that treating others as lesser people is a valid value set. You are advocating for control over the personal lives of others. Live your life and let others live theirs
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So now you are telling me my value Set is wrong. I thought you just said let others lie theirs.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It happens to be true.

I don't believe in same sex marriage on moral grounds. Knowing that, I'm labeled a "religious nut job" and a "bigot" by those that support that movement even though I've never voiced those opinions in a public forum.



Now how is it that I'm a bigot because I don't support same sex marriage on religious and moral grounds and those that do support it are not? Is it not the exact reverse? So my beliefs are wrong and I'm unfair. The opposite beliefs are right and they are fairly stereotyping me as a "bigot?"

Instead of those that support the whole same sex agenda agreeing to disagree with my moral viewpoints and leave well enough alone, they feel the need to stereotype those that disagree and "fairly" refuse to accept my beliefs.

Yet, I'm the bigot.
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you're using the "I'm rubber you're glue" defense? Or is that the "I know you are but what am I" one? Good luck either way
 
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RollinVol said:
So now you are telling me my value Serbia wrong. I thought you just said let others lie theirs.
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you're free to live and believe any way you want. The issue comes when you try to keep others down with your views. Two consenting adults getting married has zero effect on your life. You working to prevent that does affect many people. There's a very big difference
 
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Just in: Dem source tells me President & VP met w/large group of Democratic Senators up for re-election in 2014 worried about health care
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Why should they be worried?
 
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utvolpj said:
you're using the "I'm rubber you're glue" defense? Or is that the "I know you are but what am I" one? Good luck either way
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I see GV's point. If the immediate reaction to someone not supporting gay marriage is to label that person a homophobe, bigot, hater, etc. then in effect the labeler is also using a negative stereotype without really understanding the objection or accepting that another viewpoint could be valid.

On moral issues it seems best to state your position and withhold labeling of someone with a different position at least until you understand the "why" of their position.
 
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#75
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Grand Vol said:
Neither actually. It's called pointing out the obvious.

Thanks for trying...
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obvious huh? Who is trying to get rid of your right to believe whatever you want? No one

simply believing everyone should enjoy the same rights in this country does not make one a bigot. In fact it pretty much the exact opposite
 
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