2012 PG Ronnie Johnson PURDUE TRANSFER

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Spartacavolus said:
sounds like he thinks he got the quick hook after mistakes. Old Purdue coaching tree strategy. Same reason DT's confidence was shot and that Barton disappeared a couple of games after a turnover. If a pg is afraid of making a mistake and being benched, might as well give the game to the opponent.
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I was scratching my head in the MI game when he yanked Barton for a turnover and he never returned if I recall.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I was scratching my head in the MI game when he yanked Barton for a turnover and he never returned if I recall.
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yeah. We ended up coming back by playing with fire once desperation time hit (sound familiar?), but DT didn't really do much and had a couple of TO's during that time. Would've liked to see a confident Barton out there for a kickout late in the game. Martin said the team was playing well down the stretch in large part to Barton being a leader and managing the team as well as playing with confidence. So what do you do when you get to tourney time? You yank him after a turnover and sit him the rest of the game.
Players, especially pgs, can't play like that and not many of them want to. DT looked miserable walking it up then passing to the wing to go stand in the corner to wait on the ball and have to shoot a forced 3 with a few seconds on the clock. He should really excel in this offense as it's the same one he ran in HS that got his hype going. I bet his dad is fired up.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Well, Trae couldn't go left and this kid is a lefty and can handle the ball with both hands so there's that. Has a little Mike Conley in his game with his handling and his change of direction.

Shocking that a pg couldn't figure out what to do in a Keady system. Martin had trouble at pg every year. When you take the ball out of the pg's hands and hold them back scheme wise when they do get it, most of them don't like it. DT got the starting job and had the best game of his career by far, but then got starting time with the 1's at practice, was overcoached, and never looked the same.
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Ronnie is a lefty, and only a lefty. He can't go right. When he played smart PG.'s like Craft he was stuck because Craft just sat on his left hand. The biggest knock on Ronnie other than his terrible shooting from anywhere other than inside the lane is that he is one handed to the extreme.

That being said, I still think he would be good pick up.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
the Purdue coaching tree way. Trae was benched twice last year. Barton benched some this year. DT given the starting role, getting coached, then getting benched again.

Thank goodness we have a new coach that understands the importance of the pg managing the game, handling the ball and running the team. That's how ball is supposed to be played.
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This just isn't true. Ronnie was Purdue's starting PG from the the moment he stepped on campus. He started every game and averaged around 30 minutes a game. Ronnie knew what system he would be playing in when he committed to Purdue. Also, Purdue has had a solid string of PG's under Painter, and Painter seems to know what he wants out of a PG, since he played PG at Purdue.

The real story between Ronnie and Purdue's parting has to do with:

1. His older brother graduating.
2. His father getting back into the picture and getting into Ronnie's ear about not being a "star" and Purdue "holding him back".
 
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what did I post that isn't true? And you have no idea what players and coaches talk about and promise to players. Martin talked all summer about getting up and down the court now that they had the pgs to do it. It's also what he sold to Barton and DT, yet it didn't happen until the end of the year when they started playing well.
The Keady system that I've watched up close for 3 years is clueless about pg play, how to coach pgs and how to put them in position to handle the ball and run the team. I hear people complain about Johnson's bad missed shots. Well, after watching our pgs get stuck with the ball and nowhere to go with 5 seconds on the clock very often over the last 3 years, and seeing Purdue play and lose over the last 3 years, I'm not surprised a pg wants out of the system to go somewhere to play some basketball without worry of being pulled or not being a part of the game. He avg'd @ 40% on 3's his last year anyway. Didn't shoot many, but that makes him a 20% higher shooter than the returning pg we have. Frankly, his release didn't look bad to me at all.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
what did I post that isn't true? And you have no idea what players and coaches talk about and promise to players. Martin talked all summer about getting up and down the court now that they had the pgs to do it. It's also what he sold to Barton and DT, yet it didn't happen until the end of the year when they started playing well.
The Keady system that I've watched up close for 3 years is clueless about pg play, how to coach pgs and how to put them in position to handle the ball and run the team. I hear people complain about Johnson's bad missed shots. Well, after watching our pgs get stuck with the ball and nowhere to go with 5 seconds on the clock very often over the last 3 years, and seeing Purdue play and lose over the last 3 years, I'm not surprised a pg wants out of the system to go somewhere to play some basketball without worry of being pulled or not being a part of the game. He avg'd @ 40% on 3's his last year anyway. Didn't shoot many, but that makes him a 20% higher shooter than the returning pg we have. Frankly, his release didn't look bad to me at all.
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I tried to bold the part that was completely wrong. One of the biggest knocks on Ronnie was that he didn't have a right hand. Purdue has had plenty of good/great Pg's in the last 10 years, Ronnie just didn't fit what Painter wanted from a PG. Lewis Jackson started and played for 4 years and had and excellent career before Ronnie took over.

Ronnie was a bad fit for Purdue, but if you think he can shoot, well, good luck. He will take and hit a wide open set shot 3 pointer on occasion, and I will give him credit, he really worked on it from his freshman year when he shot .167 (6-36). However, I'm not sure where you are getting 40% from 3, he was 17-56 last season, which is 30%, pretty much on the nose. If you don't believe me check out the link below. He did shoot 40% overall last season.

Ronnie never worried about being pulled, or not being able to play his game. His game just didn't fit. He was second on the team in minutes and second on the team in shot attempts (much to Painter's dismay, because he took a bunch of terrible shots at just the wrong times).

I've watched him play in pretty much every game for Purdue the last 2 years. How many times have you actually seen him play?

Ronnie Johnson Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Purdue Boilermakers - ESPN
 
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The post where I said thought he could go both directions isn't the post you responded to telling me I was wrong. If I'm wrong that he can't go right, ok. As for my opinions on pgs in the system I saw Martin coach, I'm not wrong. He was clueless and the assistants were as well.
And Johnson was the one said he was pulled and couldn't get a rhythm, not me. I just said I had seen the same thing for 3 years under another Purdue tree coach out of pgs. Either way, Purdue is below .500 in the league the last 3 years so something is amiss.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
The post where I said thought he could go both directions isn't the post you responded to telling me I was wrong. If I'm wrong that he can't go right, ok. As for my opinions on pgs in the system I saw Martin coach, I'm not wrong. He was clueless and the assistants were as well.
And Johnson was the one said he was pulled and couldn't get a rhythm, not me. I just said I had seen the same thing for 3 years under another Purdue tree coach out of pgs. Either way, Purdue is below .500 in the league the last 3 years so something is amiss.
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I think some would contribute it to poor PG play. Lewis Jackson was a 2 time Cousy award candidate. Saying PG's can't play in Purdue's system is again, simply wrong. I know you don't like the system and that's fine, but you're wrong about PG's playing in the system. Ronnie was just a bad fit and Painter couldn't get him to do what needed to be done. Take a look at the Indy Star article posted on the first page.

Anyway, the background story is that Ronnie's dad, who was in jail during most or Ronnie and Terone's childhood appeared back on the scene and got into Ronnie's ear. He was never happy with Ronnie's decision to go to Purdue. Ronnie was happy last year, and played the exact same role this year, and all of the sudden, everything is terrible. He's not a bad player, but he didn't fit and if U.T. picks him up, I hope he fits in better. He isn't a bad kid.

I will agree that Purdue has had 2 terrible seasons back to back. 3 seasons ago they were a NCAA team, losing Kansas by 3 in the last minute of the game in the 3rd round.
 
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Shadowboxer said:
We definitely didn't have a point guard who played in a consistent manner under Martin.
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Martin was only there for 3 years. Golden didn't work out, and then he was using 2 new PG's last season. I think Thompson would have ended up being fine under Martin, but that's neither here nor there at this point. I hope Thompson is going to be great for DT.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
I think some would contribute it to poor PG play. Lewis Jackson was a 2 time Cousy award candidate. Saying PG's can't play in Purdue's system is again, simply wrong. I know you don't like the system and that's fine, but you're wrong about PG's playing in the system. Ronnie was just a bad fit and Painter couldn't get him to do what needed to be done. Take a look at the Indy Star article posted on the first page.

Anyway, the background story is that Ronnie's dad, who was in jail during most or Ronnie and Terone's childhood appeared back on the scene and got into Ronnie's ear. He was never happy with Ronnie's decision to go to Purdue. Ronnie was happy last year, and played the exact same role this year, and all of the sudden, everything is terrible. He's not a bad player, but he didn't fit and if U.T. picks him up, I hope he fits in better. He isn't a bad kid.

I will agree that Purdue has had 2 terrible seasons back to back. 3 seasons ago they were a NCAA team, losing Kansas by 3 in the last minute of the game in the 3rd round.
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(Also the part where you said he shot 40% from 3 was way off)
 
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Yes, I looked at the wrong column. 30% isn't good. Though is a smooth offense with picks for shooters and kickouts from penetration, players will shoot better than when pulling up off the dribble or having to force shots due to poor offense. Another place where a stat needs further information. Barton was a bad shooter in those situations and was a different shooter on kickouts or when the they gave him some picks. He looked terrible trying to create by himself at the end of the shot clock. I bet his shooting % difference varied @ 20% depending on the type of shot and rhythm stepping into it.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Yes, I looked at the wrong column. 30% isn't good. Though is a smooth offense with picks for shooters and kickouts from penetration, players will shoot better than when pulling up off the dribble or having to force shots due to poor offense. Another place where a stat needs further information. Barton was a bad shooter in those situations and was a different shooter on kickouts or when the they gave him some picks. He looked terrible trying to create by himself at the end of the shot clock. I bet his shooting % difference varied @ 20% depending on the type of shot and rhythm stepping into it.
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Painter's biggest issue with Ronnie was that he would get caught up in the game, stop running the offense, and just put his head down, drive to the rim, and flip up bad shots in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock. The PG in Purdue's motion isn't usually coming off screens and shooting. They are usually facilitators. That's just the way it works. Chris Kramer was also an excellent PG/SG for Purdue, and started 2 years at PG before sliding to the 2 when Jackson took over and started the next 4 years. Ronnie was supposed to be next in line, but it didn't work out. That being said, Purdue essentially has had 3 starting PG (barring injury) over the last 8 years, so maybe the system isn't that unfriendly to PG's.
 
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I saw that Purdue had a losing record the last 3 years in conference and didn't think a 10-8 record 3 yrs ago would get them in
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I saw that Purdue had a losing record the last 3 years in conference and didn't think a 10-8 record 3 yrs ago would get them in
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Pudue was 22-13 that season had 1 bad loss and 10 losses to top 25 teams (including 5 losses to top 10 teams). They were 6th in the Big 10 and a 10 seed in the tournament.

It wasn't a great year, but it wasn't a bad year. They also had excellent PG play and led the nation in fewest turnovers a game. Lewis Jackson averaged 10 pts, 4 assists 1 steal and 1 TO a game.
 
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Daloth said:
She never complains at least.
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Talked with Purdue transfer Ronnie Johnson this afternoon.

Pertinent facts; he visited Xavier this weekend, will arrive in Knoxville on Wednesday for his official. Says he doesn't plan anymore visits and will decide between Musketeers and Vols within a week of wrapping up his visit.

Mentioned coach Tyndall and playing style as the biggest attractions to UT, really likes the staff so far.

He added that he had no shot at getting a hardship waiver and would definitely have to sit next year.
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-VQ

Sounds like our odds are pretty good.
 
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could he still practice? Would be a great benefit for the team if he could as they would have a quick guard to practice their press against
 
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Spartacavolus said:
could he still practice? Would be a great benefit for the team if he could as they would have a quick guard to practice their press against
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Yea he would be on scholarship, workout and practice with the team just like a regular player, travel with the guys too.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
because we don't have enough players right now for the team to practice their press and zone against
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Yes, he could practice, and if you want to practice against someone who is hard to press, R.J. is your guy. He's tough to pin down when moving in the open court. He would be a decent team chemistry kid as well. He would provide the team with a guaranteed SEC caliber PG for 2 years.
 
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I know this is good news, but this will only help us 2 years from now. Tyndall should be looking for guys that can play right away IMO.
 
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