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Yeah, and he was expanding on what I said.
Just messing. Good points. We need to watch next season before we can even get close to deciding if we're going to light it up in 2011 or not. My only expectations for 2010 is a bowl game and to keep games within two scores if we are going to lose. While Kiffin pulled a good recruiting class and we've done a decent job of salvaging this year's, we're still lacking a bit in depth. Definitely still feeling the effects of the end of Fulmer's tenure.
Realistically speaking, what happened over the last few years is worst case scenario for any program, and can take 5 years to recover from. Yeah, I suppose it's conceivable we could compete for the SEC by 2012, but IMO that's only if Saban jumps ship from Tuscaloosa and Meyer lets Florida slip and Mark Richt continues his recent train wreck.
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Ok, it seems like alot of people on this thread keeping saying hownext year (and maybe even the year after that) we might as well just consider the season as turning out average at best. I gave alot of real points on why I disagree and so far I've only seen one person disagree with actual reasons. Not just stupid comments like wow you really believe that. So I'm going to give this one last shot as to why it is not always smart to base last years results on the current year. I'll use Auburn as an example as I'm starting to believe some of you aren't real TN fans and would rather look and worship other teams.
1991 5-6 2-5 8th
1992 5-5-1 2-5-1 5th West
1993 11-0 8-0 NA
Oh, here's another one. Year before stats look familiar?
2003 7-5 5-3 3rd in West
2004 13-0 8-0 SEC Champs
By the way, to the above FL fan your coach has never one a single game in the SEC, even Tim's freshman year, without running him up the middle over and over again. Tim's gone guy. Now we're going to see if CUM can actually coach or if he just rode on the back of TIM for 4 years. I think that's why he's having chest pains. He knows his run is over. And you can debate me all you want, but the 911 call speaks volumes. "Urban? Come on honey. Wake up Urban."
1991 5-6 2-5 8th
1992 5-5-1 2-5-1 5th West
1993 11-0 8-0 NA
Oh, here's another one. Year before stats look familiar?
2003 7-5 5-3 3rd in West
2004 13-0 8-0 SEC Champs
By the way, to the above FL fan your coach has never one a single game in the SEC, even Tim's freshman year, without running him up the middle over and over again. Tim's gone guy. Now we're going to see if CUM can actually coach or if he just rode on the back of TIM for 4 years. I think that's why he's having chest pains. He knows his run is over. And you can debate me all you want, but the 911 call speaks volumes. "Urban? Come on honey. Wake up Urban."
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^ We didn't win the SEC in '04. We lost to Auburn in the SEC title game.
And thinking that we'll be in contention for even the division is kinda crazy... Bringing in a coach with a losing record, a still relatively talentless team, and a fairly tough schedule this next season. There's absolutely nothing about Tennessee football that indicates even getting close to 10 wins in 2010.
Dooley will be a shoe-in for coach of the year if we win the division, and it would probably rank among the most miraculous single season turnarounds of the last decade. I'm not holding my breath.
And thinking that we'll be in contention for even the division is kinda crazy... Bringing in a coach with a losing record, a still relatively talentless team, and a fairly tough schedule this next season. There's absolutely nothing about Tennessee football that indicates even getting close to 10 wins in 2010.
Dooley will be a shoe-in for coach of the year if we win the division, and it would probably rank among the most miraculous single season turnarounds of the last decade. I'm not holding my breath.
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hmmm. urban was the coach at florida in 2005, when tebow was in high school. florida somehow managed to beat tennessee and georgia that year.
i'd lay off of urban meyer's coaching ability until we find out what derek dooley can do.
as a gator fan, it's funny. if you talk about the accomplishments of tim tebow, people will tell you that the 2006 national championship team was chris leak's team. if you talk about the accomplishments of urban meyer, people will tell you he can't win without tim tebow.
say what you want about urban (and i think the whole retire/unretire thing was bizarre beyond belief as well), but the man can coach football.
Why are you "true" Vol fans so pessimistic? Yes, at first glance, our coaching staff is young and inexperienced in the SEC. But, every great coach starts somewhere, and who is to say that we didn't hit a "home run" with this staff? Let's take Coach Wilcox for example. In four years at Boise State, with less than 4 star talent, he has coached defenses that were able to kill the spread offense (Oregon,) and were highly versatile (4-3, 3-4, 3-3-5, etc.). Although he is young, his defenses were always very aggressive, well prepared, and stuck to their assignments. He did all this with what the recruiting analysts consider sub-par talent. As for our offense, who is to say that our red shirts and incoming freshman won't rise to the occasion? We have the size and intangibles, they just need to be coached up. It is not like UT has ever been off the board in recruiting; we have always had top 25 classes. Look at our RBs, we have an extreme amount of talent and depth at this position. Our WRs will be great. I believe that out of the three 4 stars and 1 five star that we signed, at least one will have a breakout season as a freshman. TEs are set as are FBs. QB play will be crucial, but we do have talent here. I personally like the idea of starting Bray. He is thin, but so was Peyton, and he grew into it. Let him rely on the running game and short to midfield passes early on, then open it up as the players progress. We will not win all of our games this season, but we do have a realistic shot at 10 wins, just as we have a realistic shot at 6 wins. It all depends on the coaching and how the young players develop. We have the talent, but do we have the ability to use it?
Good grief, some of this thread is ridiculous. Anyone with half a football brain understands that Tennessee's offense in 2010 will struggle, and why. In this league, if you are short on the OL, you are short...period. There's no way around it, no way to mask it. The defensive front 7s of the SEC will expose the lack of talent/experience along the front week after week, forcing any chance of success onto the arm of Stephens or Bray, which doesn't bode well. There is some skill talent returning, along with some potential among the new OL starters....but it will take time.
This is realistic, so prepare to watch the Vols struggle, particularly early against the best competition. Hope for a breakout game somewhere along the way, but don't expect it before November. Don't even ask about the DL.....
This is realistic, so prepare to watch the Vols struggle, particularly early against the best competition. Hope for a breakout game somewhere along the way, but don't expect it before November. Don't even ask about the DL.....
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What is ridiculous is your response. I am guessing that you are a "glass is half empty" type of person. Trying not to sound redundant, but everyone said that U. Meyer's offense would never work in the SEC, and how did that turn out? You are basing your bleak outlook of Tennessee's chances in 2010 on star rankings? Really? It is a statistical fact that more two and three star recruits succeeed in college and the NFL than the vaunted 4 and five star guys. My point is that you really can't say that our OL or DL is going to be weak based upon recruiting star rankings. You have to wait and see the product on the field first. The size and intangibles ARE THERE, we have wait and see if the coaching is. We see if Dooley and this staff can compete soon enough.
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think of it this way.
rank the teams in the SEC in order by talent that is currently on campus. then, reank the team in the SEC in order by coaching.
it's not that tennessee doesn't have talent, it's that others have more.
the toughest games on the schedule for tennessee are at home.
the "toss up games" are on the road. the only road win tennessee has had other than vandy and kentucky since 2007 is mississippi state. losses to cal, ucla, florida (2x), bama (2x), georgia, south carolina, mississippi, and auburn.
Whatever. If you don't temper your expectations for 2010, you are setting yourself up for a miserable experience this fall. What you should do is look for signs of promise and progress within the program. Instead, you'll probably be one of the ones ranting and raving when the Vols find themselves with 5 losses by Halloween. Again....it will take time to rebuild this program in the midst of the toughest conference in America.
Dooley was conservative on offense at La Tech, primarily running the ball. They were the worst in the WAC passing the ball. The 8-5 season he had in 2008 was primarily the result of having a +9 turnover margin.
They were 2nd worst in the WAC in 2008 in pass defense and 2nd best in run defense. Here was the outlook for the 2009 La Tech team under Dooley:
They were 2nd worst in the WAC in 2008 in pass defense and 2nd best in run defense. Here was the outlook for the 2009 La Tech team under Dooley:
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I am not saying that UT will go undefeated or light up the SEC. But, we are not L Tech, and we do have talent on the roster. Our O line did all right last year with two walk ons. A. Douglas has proved to be a pretty good tackle. Hopefully James Stone or Juwan James can step in and suprise people. Our line could suprise people. I don't expect them to be SEC or NC caliber yet, but they just might be able to hold their own in the SEC and give our running game a chance. I am prepared for a 5-7 or 6-6 season. But I would not be suprised to see a 10-2 season either. I think that Wilcox will adjust to what we have personnel wise, as he did at Boise State, and our D will surprise people. As far as the top SEC teams having more talent, I agree to a point, but star rankings do not always equate to productivity on the field. Just look at FSU the past couple of years, or Notre Dame and Michigan. UT could surprise alot of people and the greatest thing that we have going for us is that everyone expects us to be sub par. The depth is thin, but there are pieces in place. I will wait to pass judgement until I see the product on the field.
Yes LA Tech had the worst passing offense in the WAC. But what kind of talent did Dooley have to work with there? Did they not pass because they didn't have a quality QB or WRs, or was it a product of Dooley's system. I am going to be the "optimist" here and believe that Dooley does have a good "football" mind and will adjust his system to fit the talent that he has on hand. I also believe that Chaney will have alot of input in to how the offense is run. The hiring of Dooley could end up being a terrible mistake, but I don't think it will. Don't assume that 2010 will be a wash just because of the schedule. We have the skill position players in place, inexeperienced QBs yes, but there is talent in the cupboard. Look for a run first offense with plenty of short to medium range passes. I do agree, it all depends on how the OL comes together and the coaching that they receive. I will be hoping for the best, but will not call for Dooley's head if this season goes as everyone is predicting. I will always be a Vol fan and will support UT no matter what. I just don't believe that things are as bad as people are making it out to be.
As far as ranking the teams in the SEC, here is my opinion, for what it's worth:
SEC East:
1. Florida. Their offense may be suspect with a new QB and no standout RBs or WRs, but U. Meyer has done nothing but win since he joined the SEC and his offense could truly be scary with Brantley at QB.
2. South Carolina. I know that the 'Cocks have never done anything on the field to deserve this, but I have to think that Spurrier has a few tricks left up his sleave. They always have a great defense and I think that Garcia just might emerge as a legitimate QB. Also, look at the size/speed that they have in their young receivers, Wow! The only thing that is holding them back is their undersized/underacheiving O line and RB play. They signed Gillmore this year and I expect him to be an instant upgrade.
3. Tennessee. Yes UT. We have all of the makings for a dynamic team. QBs are young and inexperienced, but they have the benefit of alot of talented RBs. Our WRs are talented, fast, and big. We have a great TE in Stocker. Our OL is young and untested, but run blocking in a zone scheme should not be hard for them to learn. The Defense will be dynamic and ever-changing, hard to game plan for. The Vols just might surprise alot of people.
4. Georgia. More questions than UT has. Who will be the QB? Who will step up at RB? Will the O line ever stay healthy? Who is the receiver opposite AJ Green? Will they ever get a defensive system that works? This is the most talented team that underachieves year after year.
5. Kentucky. It's Kentucky.
6. Vanderbilt. It's Vandy.
SEC West
1. Auburn. The offense is unpredictable, talented, and dynamic. They had a great year recruiting defense. This is a young up and coming team that is ready to make some waves.
2. Alabama. Yes, they are the defending NCs. Yes, they are coached by the guru Saban. Yes, they are very talented. But, they have alot of holes to fill on defense and they will be getting everyone's A game each and every week. They had alot of close calls in 2009, and will not be so lucky in 2010.
3. Arkansas. Ryan Mallet is the real deal and this team could move to the top in the
West if things pan out for them at RB and WR.
4. LSU. Talented group, but can't seem to get over the hump anymore.
5. Ole Miss.
6. Miss. State
SEC East:
1. Florida. Their offense may be suspect with a new QB and no standout RBs or WRs, but U. Meyer has done nothing but win since he joined the SEC and his offense could truly be scary with Brantley at QB.
2. South Carolina. I know that the 'Cocks have never done anything on the field to deserve this, but I have to think that Spurrier has a few tricks left up his sleave. They always have a great defense and I think that Garcia just might emerge as a legitimate QB. Also, look at the size/speed that they have in their young receivers, Wow! The only thing that is holding them back is their undersized/underacheiving O line and RB play. They signed Gillmore this year and I expect him to be an instant upgrade.
3. Tennessee. Yes UT. We have all of the makings for a dynamic team. QBs are young and inexperienced, but they have the benefit of alot of talented RBs. Our WRs are talented, fast, and big. We have a great TE in Stocker. Our OL is young and untested, but run blocking in a zone scheme should not be hard for them to learn. The Defense will be dynamic and ever-changing, hard to game plan for. The Vols just might surprise alot of people.
4. Georgia. More questions than UT has. Who will be the QB? Who will step up at RB? Will the O line ever stay healthy? Who is the receiver opposite AJ Green? Will they ever get a defensive system that works? This is the most talented team that underachieves year after year.
5. Kentucky. It's Kentucky.
6. Vanderbilt. It's Vandy.
SEC West
1. Auburn. The offense is unpredictable, talented, and dynamic. They had a great year recruiting defense. This is a young up and coming team that is ready to make some waves.
2. Alabama. Yes, they are the defending NCs. Yes, they are coached by the guru Saban. Yes, they are very talented. But, they have alot of holes to fill on defense and they will be getting everyone's A game each and every week. They had alot of close calls in 2009, and will not be so lucky in 2010.
3. Arkansas. Ryan Mallet is the real deal and this team could move to the top in the
West if things pan out for them at RB and WR.
4. LSU. Talented group, but can't seem to get over the hump anymore.
5. Ole Miss.
6. Miss. State
I think it is going to be tough going next year . The benchmarl set last season under similar conditions was 7-5 regular season ...it will be tough to replicate that but not impossible .
I think the offensive line can be 'schemed' to accentuate the strenths and downplay the weaknesses. The previous staff was able to do it for much and last season ( they were exposed a couple of times ) but played even or played to a win in the trenches despite being young , injured , or under talented along the O- line .
I think the big issue is the defensive front . The depth issue that proved to be our downfall late in games and down the stretch is ..you might say ...a returning starter. There is very little any DC can or conditioning coach can do to over come this. You need more than a 6 man D line rotation or you will see deadlocked games at the half getting away from you down the strech .
The skill positions all look good or at least serviceable.
Given the schedule and D line shortcomings I hope for a 7-5 year.
I think the offensive line can be 'schemed' to accentuate the strenths and downplay the weaknesses. The previous staff was able to do it for much and last season ( they were exposed a couple of times ) but played even or played to a win in the trenches despite being young , injured , or under talented along the O- line .
I think the big issue is the defensive front . The depth issue that proved to be our downfall late in games and down the stretch is ..you might say ...a returning starter. There is very little any DC can or conditioning coach can do to over come this. You need more than a 6 man D line rotation or you will see deadlocked games at the half getting away from you down the strech .
The skill positions all look good or at least serviceable.
Given the schedule and D line shortcomings I hope for a 7-5 year.
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Everybody on here that thinks we are going to get blown out by the SEC elite is crazier than Mike Garrett. Dooley played Boise St, LSU, and Auburn VERY close last year at La. Tech with less than HALF the talent we have. Not to mention, his coaching staff went from a figurative Geo Metro to a Corvette... Injuries may be a problem next year, but players themselves will not be. I think we're about to see a level of discipline instilled in the team that we haven't seen in a very long time.
There are so many problems with this post it isn't even funny.
#1. You're talking about Auburn. Not Tennessee.
#2. Those Auburn teams had one big difference from UT. They had a coaching staff in place for longer than 8 months...
#3. Urban went 9-3 in his first year in Gainesville WITHOUT Tebow.
#4. Urban already has an undefeated season at Utah and a BCS bowl win from the same.
#5: It's not that UT is lacking talent, it's that they are lacking DEPTH. The latter is harder to win with.
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Ihatethebuckeyes..........the QB position is a draw? Fla's Brantley vs. Tenn's Nick Stephens? Brantley is hardly "new" to the "spread" offense Florida runs. Nevertheless Tenn's real problem in 2010 will be coaching. Coaching does make a HUGE difference, but even great coaching can't overcome inexperience....and UT suffers in both departments. It takes game time to enforce the skills and concepts needed to succeed. I just don't see the Vols winning many games in the 1st half of the season.....your schedule is brutal.
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UGA returns every starter on offense with the exception of the QB.....including every starter on the oline and their 2-deeps. In addition 2008 starter @ TE Bruce Friggins returns making us 3-deep @ that positon...( White and Freshman AA Charles). Can't believe you dismiss Easley and King @ RB and 2-year starter Chapas @ FB. This is not a bad situation for our 2 RS freshman QBs or 3-yr man Gray to step into. With questionable coaching combined with your inexperience I don't see Tenn surprising anyone.
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