20+ wins without your best player?

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#51
ric1958 said:
The facts are CCM lost control of his team and they got their butt kicked by a team that they should have killed. I can`t believe you guys are satisfied with finishing 5th. Well, I am glad you think that was a pretty good job because you may see more of it.
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No one is "satisfied" finishing fifth. Reasonable people can simply look deeper than the surface.

We were picked to finish fourth with our full compliment of players. We finished fifth without our best player from last season. If you expected us to exceed the consensus expectations missing one of our most vital parts, then it's not worth arguing over. You'll never look deeper than the surface of why we finished fifth.
 
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#53
Backwards K said:
And, that team will still struggle to score against a zone defense (no consistent outside shooters). They will also continue to struggle to take care of the ball when they are pressed.

On the other end, quick guards will still get to the basket when they want to and our defense will continue to not cause many turnovers.

Plus, as evidenced last night, it apparently has to be a game that is deemed important enough by the players and the coach before they will put out the necessary effort.
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See the last game against Alabama?
 
#54
#54
gardners_51609 said:
next year, it is hard to imagine the possiblities of having a starting lineup like this:

F: Stokes
f: Maymon
g: Golden
g: Mcrae
g: Hubbs

and a bench that includes:

F: Yemi
f: Aj davis
g/f: Chievous
g/f: Edwards
g: Richardson
g: Landry
g: Moore

we will be one of the deepest teams in the sec and this list isn't even including any late signees ccm picksup...
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gbo!
 
#55
#55
ric1958 said:
It does not matter that it was only the NIT. CCM should still have the team ready to play no matter the situation, NCAA, NIT or an exhibition game. The team did not care and they got their butt kicked. But it`s kinda funny, I remember last year when the football team played as if they did not care and gave up, most fans were screaming for Dooley`s head. All I see now is a lot of people making excuses for poor performance.
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I agree. " It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, it's about the size of the fight in the dog."
 
#56
#56
cncchris33 said:
No one is "satisfied" finishing fifth. Reasonable people can simply look deeper than the surface.

We were picked to finish fourth with our full compliment of players. We finished fifth without our best player from last season. If you expected us to exceed the consensus expectations missing one of our most vital parts, then it's not worth arguing over. You'll never look deeper than the surface of why we finished fifth.
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That was not what the argument is about. The argument was about a team that laid down and played dead. Just another excuse.
 
#58
#58
ric1958 said:
That was not what the argument is about. The argument was about a team that laid down and played dead. Just another excuse.
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Should Cal be fired UK laid down? What about Kellogg at UMASS?

It's the NIT, not much weight is put on it whether you agree with that or not that's how it is.
 
#59
#59
ric1958 said:
That was not what the argument is about. The argument was about a team that laid down and played dead. Just another excuse.
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You explicitly said, "I can't believe you guys are satisfied with finishing fifth," did you not?

That's the comment I addressed. So, color me lost. You brought it up. I disagreed. Sounds to me like this particular argument indeed centers around it.

I don't disagree this team laid down, and you won't find me making excuses for that, as I've said multiple times that they should have played for pride, if nothing else. I just refuse to overreact to the loss as if it were the biggest game in program history. Nothing more, nothing less. You seem to want to equate laying down in an NIT game to fans being satisfied finishing fifth in the conference. To me, those are two different arguments independent of each other.

If I'm misunderstanding you, I apologize. Whats not misunderstood is your assertion that we are satisfied finishing fifth. No one is, but considering the circumstances, it's not an absolute failure either compared to where we were picked to finish.
 
#61
#61
cncchris33 said:
Sure they are. Just be prepared to defend your position. Making claims and stating opinions without reason or factual basis is foolish.
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You can if you don't mind being called a glass half full or an idiot. Not sure facts help that much.
 
#62
#62
bleedingTNorange said:
Should Cal be fired UK laid down? What about Kellogg at UMASS?

It's the NIT, not much weight is put on it whether you agree with that or not that's how it is.
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Never said anyone should be fired. But people saying it was only the NIT is dumb.
 
#63
#63
ric1958 said:
Never said anyone should be fired. But people saying it was only the NIT is dumb.
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No it's not. History shows big programs who were snubbed typically don't get up for the NIT. The team had a choice, spend spring break in Provo, UT or at the beach...can't say I blame their choice.

As others have said, if this was the NCAA tourney I would be pissed, but it's not.
 
#65
#65
bleedingTNorange said:
No it's not. History shows big programs who were snubbed typically don't get up for the NIT. The team had a choice, spend spring break in Provo, UT or at the beach...can't say I blame their choice.

As others have said, if this was the NCAA tourney I would be pissed, but it's not.
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Using this reasoning, Cuonzo thought Alabama was snubbed.
Alabama didn't think they they were snubbed so they won their first game?
I didn't, but many thought Virginia was snubbed. They didn't think they were?
 
#66
#66
calban said:
Using this reasoning, Cuonzo thought Alabama was snubbed.
Alabama didn't think they they were snubbed so they won their first game?
I didn't, but many thought Virginia was snubbed. They didn't think they were?
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Did I say every single team doesn't get up, or did I say typically? It happens every year in the NIT...list the "bubble teams" who have won the NIT...I can go ahead and tell you more haven't than have.
 
#67
#67
bleedingTNorange said:
Did I say every single team doesn't get up, or did I say typically? It happens every year in the NIT...list the "bubble teams" who have won the NIT...I can go ahead and tell you more haven't than have.
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Okay. I was just wondering if there was any credence behind the thread on bubble teams winning the NIT almost every season.
Thought it might have been fabricated.
 
#68
#68
calban said:
Okay. I was just wondering if there was any credence behind the thread on bubble teams winning the NIT almost every season.
Thought it might have been fabricated.
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Yea I think that has already been dispelled...south Carolina is a good example.
 
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