1998 Vols vs. 2001 (I think) Canes...

#77
#77
DjCrenshaw said:
I don't remember the RB colorado had or the stats he had at the end of the game, but man everytime I looked up at the TV he was going in the endzone.
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I was visiting my grandparents for Thanksgiving and we'd gone out to Grotto's Pizza in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. Looked at the TV when we were being seating and saw that Colorado was up 21-0 in the first quarter. Obviously didn't get to focus too much on the game, but like you, every time I look up Chris Brown is scoring a TD.
 
#79
#79
Incipient said:
I was visiting my grandparents for Thanksgiving and we'd gone out to Grotto's Pizza in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. Looked at the TV when we were being seating and saw that Colorado was up 21-0 in the first quarter. Obviously didn't get to focus too much on the game, but like you, every time I look up Chris Brown is scoring a TD.
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After 97 and 99, I can't say I was unhappy about it. I believe I was helping my mom get the Christmas decorations out while watching the game.
 
#80
#80
ImportedVoL said:
ya they lost 36-62.. how they were even the team Miami had to play for the NC is beyond me.
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Everyone who was in line to play lost their conference championship game (Tennessee to lsu, Texas to Colorado, at the least)
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#81
#81
DjCrenshaw said:
After 97 and 99, I can't say I was unhappy about it. I believe I was helping my mom get the Christmas decorations out while watching the game.
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I always liked Colorado when I was younger. Black and gold look sharp (Vandy aside), Buffaloes are an awesome mascot, and mountain teams have a special place in my heart. Visited Boulder a couple years ago and never wanted to leave. Applied for my PhD there, and it's probably a good thing I didn't get in, because I might've picked it over UNC (which, objectively, is a much better program).

Also, you know, Nebraska hatred leftover from the 90s.
 
#82
#82
Incipient said:
I was visiting my grandparents for Thanksgiving and we'd gone out to Grotto's Pizza in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. Looked at the TV when we were being seating and saw that Colorado was up 21-0 in the first quarter. Obviously didn't get to focus too much on the game, but like you, every time I look up Chris Brown is scoring a TD.
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Too bad he didn't translate that well into the pros
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#83
#83
TrueOrange said:
Everyone who was in line to play lost their conference championship game (Tennessee to lsu, Texas to Colorado, at the least)
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Went back a week before that.

Nebraska was #2, lost to Colorado.

Next day, Oklahoma was next in line, lost to Oklahoma State.

Later that evening, Florida was next in line, lost to Tennessee.

Next week, Texas was next in line, lost to Colorado.

Later that day, Tennessee was next in line, lost to LSU.

That's how Nebraska made it back to #2. Although 10-2 Colorado thought they should've gone ahead of Nebraska, and I don't blame them. And Oregon, who finished 10-1 and destroyed Colorado in their bowl, was pretty pissed off that they didn't get a shot, and I really don't blame them.
 
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#84
Incipient said:
I always liked Colorado when I was younger. Black and gold look sharp (Vandy aside), Buffaloes are an awesome mascot, and mountain teams have a special place in my heart. Visited Boulder a couple years ago and never wanted to leave. Applied for my PhD there, and it's probably a good thing I didn't get in, because I might've picked it over UNC (which, objectively, is a much better program).

Also, you know, Nebraska hatred leftover from the 90s.
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I also found myself liking the buffs in the late 90's for some reason. Seems like I always wanted them to ruin the big 12 for texas and nebraska. I think it would be cool to see Ralphie in person someday.
 
#85
#85
if Miami and Tennessee could have matched up in the 2001 title game, it would have been, by far, the most NFL talent to ever set foot on a field in CFB history.
 
#86
#86
Lord Vader said:
if Miami and Tennessee could have matched up in the 2001 title game, it would have been, by far, the most NFL talent to ever set foot on a field in CFB history.
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I could see that, and that is why I think the outcome isn't quite as miami lopsided as people think.
 
#90
#90
VegasVol said:
Fact 1. Tennessee's 98 team proved itself against one of the most difficult schedules in national title winning history, with 5 wins over teams that finished ranked, including the defending prior SEC champion, the ACC champion, and the Big East champion. Miami's '01 team didn't have a win over a team that finished above 8th, a team that didn't even win its conference.

Fact 2: That Miami team would place 26 players on NFL rosters for multiple years. So would the '98 Tennessee team. Talent even.

Fact 3: That Tennessee team had wins over 2 national-title winning coaches & 5 conference-winning coaches, winning over a Spurrier-Stoops coordinated team, a Richt-Andrews coordinated team that gave Miami fits, beat a Syracuse team in the dome where they humiliated Miami in 1998. And just look to 2002 as to whether a comparably talented Miami team could be beat by a run-oriented offense, a strong defense, and a coach with a "conservative" reputation.
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I believe we also beat eight bowl bound teams as well. It was just an unbelievable run against the best competition week in and week out. It is far and away our greatest championship ever.
 
#91
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VegasVol said:
Fact 1. Tennessee's 98 team proved itself against one of the most difficult schedules in national title winning history, with 5 wins over teams that finished ranked, including the defending prior SEC champion, the ACC champion, and the Big East champion. Miami's '01 team didn't have a win over a team that finished above 8th, a team that didn't even win its conference.

Fact 2: That Miami team would place 26 players on NFL rosters for multiple years. So would the '98 Tennessee team. Talent even.

Fact 3: That Tennessee team had wins over 2 national-title winning coaches & 5 conference-winning coaches, winning over a Spurrier-Stoops coordinated team, a Richt-Andrews coordinated team that gave Miami fits, beat a Syracuse team in the dome where they humiliated Miami in 1998. And just look to 2002 as to whether a comparably talented Miami team could be beat by a run-oriented offense, a strong defense, and a coach with a "conservative" reputation.
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Fact 1 is mitigated by the fact that we barely won a handful of games.

Fact 2 is not even fact. Their league-bound 26 players were way way better than our league-bound 26 players.

Fact 3 is completely irrelevant. So we beat 5 conference winning coaches, huh? Could I trouble you for a tall glass of Who Gives A SHIP?
 
#92
#92
Also, Billingsley's rankings don't take into account margin of victory. Which means they're worthless.
 
#93
#93
2001 Canes vs 1998 Vols: Vols defense keeps the Canes from running away with it early, but Miami by 14+

2001 Canes destroy the 2001 Vols
 
#95
#95
WesternKyVol said:
Hey we beat the Gators at the swamp when I think they were ranked #1 AHEAD of the Canes. The Canes were great, but much of the mystique is based on that Rose Bowl.

Don't sell the 98 Vols short. Much of the talent on that team was in the trenches. If you can run the ball and stop the run you can win football games. I think we could've stopped the run against Miami--not sure if we could have run the ball.
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the mystique from that team is due to the fact that half of them ended up in the pro bowl.
 
#96
#96
Apples to Oranges, makes a great debate and you get nowhere. Yeah i've heard everyone blow the 2001 Canes horn for a while. Both teams were the best in their given year and i'll leave it at that.
 
#97
#97
When you beat us, we were #2 and you were #4. Miami was still #1.

You guys will clown me, and rightfully so, but I remember after Miami destroyed Nebraska in the NC game, the ESPN guys said the only team talent-wise that would have been close to the Miami team that year was Florida.

I think out of 22 starters we had that year, all but like 5 were drafted in the next 2 years.
 
#98
#98
Lord Vader said:
if Miami and Tennessee could have matched up in the 2001 title game, it would have been, by far, the most NFL talent to ever set foot on a field in CFB history.
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Not really. That Tennessee team over-performed and wasn't on the same NFL talent level as that Miami team or most national title contenders since the early 90's. Most of the FSU-Miami games in the 80s, FSU-Florida games in the 90s, and many of the title games since the mid-90s generally featured more NFL talent on the field than that 01 matchup would have.

Total # of 3+ Year NFL Players on Each Roster

2001 UT-Miami...
2001: 42 (UT - 18; Miami - 24)

Actual games...
2002: 50 (OHST - 27; MIA - 23)
2005: 50 (USC - 28; TX - 22)
1995: 44 (FL- 21; NEB - 23)
1996: 50 (FL - 25 ; FSU - 25)
1998: 45 (TN - 24; FSU - 21)
 
#99
#99
The Waco Kid said:
When you beat us, we were #2 and you were #4. Miami was still #1.

You guys will clown me, and rightfully so, but I remember after Miami destroyed Nebraska in the NC game, the ESPN guys said the only team talent-wise that would have been close to the Miami team that year was Florida.

I think out of 22 starters we had that year, all but like 5 were drafted in the next 2 years.
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Florida's 01 team was definitely more talented than our 2001 team.
 
#100
#100
kidbourbon said:
Fact 1 is mitigated by the fact that we barely won a handful of games.

Fact 2 is not even fact. Their league-bound 26 players were way way better than our league-bound 26 players.

Fact 3 is completely irrelevant. So we beat 5 conference winning coaches, huh? Could I trouble you for a tall glass of Who Gives A SHIP?
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Fact 1. We played 5 good teams, and won 2 games by 3 points or less. Miami played 2 good teams, and won 1 game by 3 points or less. Their schedule is the reason they didn't have closer games.

Fact 2: You're wrong. We had 26 players make the league; they had 26 players. We had 24 players be 3+ year players; they had 24 players be 3+ year players. We had 15 consistent NFL starters; they had 15 consistent NFL starters. We had 8 Pro Bowl players; they had 9 Pro Bowl players. About as evenly talented as you can get.

Fact 3: It's called quality of schedule. A team that plays a crap schedule isn't entitled to claim they are that much better than a team that played a great schedule, especially if they are one of those dumb fans that want to talk about margin of victory (fact #1) while ignoring quality of schedule (fact #3). By third party standards, like Billingsley's Top 200 teams, Tennessee's 1998 team is 3rd all-time; Miami's 2001 team is 16th. Performance matters. That's who gives a ship.
 
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