1998 Vols vs. 2001 (I think) Canes...

#54
#54
the way miami beat washington was epic lol
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#55
#55
The 2001 Miami team was extremely loaded and would've been the favorite (and probably would have been victorious) against the 98 and 01 teams.

With that said the people on here who are claiming they would have mopped the floor with either of those UT squads are just ignorant.
 
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TrueOrange said:
For people who might need it, 2001 miami schedule:

Schedule

Date Result Miami Rank# (Rank#)Opponent Stadium · City
September 1, 2001 W 33-7 #2 @ Penn State Beaver Stadium - State College, PA
September 8, 2001 W 61-0 #1 Rutgers* Orange Bowl - Miami, FL
September 27, 2001 W 43-21 #1 @ Pittsburgh* Heinz Field - Pittsburgh, PA
October 6, 2001 W 38-7 #1 Troy Orange Bowl - Miami, FL
October 13, 2001 W 49-27 #2 @ #14 Florida State Doak Campbell Stadium - Tallahassee, FL
October 25, 2001 W 45-3 #1 West Virginia* Orange Bowl - Miami, FL
November 3, 2001 W 38-0 #1 Temple* Orange Bowl - Miami, FL
November 10, 2001 W 18-7 #1 @ Boston College* Alumni Stadium - Chestnut Hill, MA
November 17, 2001 W 59-0 #1 #14 Syracuse* Orange Bowl - Miami, FL
November 24, 2001 W 65-7 #1 #12 Washington Orange Bowl - Miami, FL
December 1, 2001 W 26-24 #1 @ #14 Virginia Tech* Lane Stadium - Blacksburg, VA
January 3, 2002 W 37-14 #1 #4 Nebraska Rose Bowl - Pasadena, CA
*Conference Game $BCS National Championship Game #Rankings from AP Poll released prior to game.
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Geeze. With the players they had winning like they did versus this garbage is not shocking.
 
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DjCrenshaw said:
How so? I am disappointed our D gave up 14 points. Unless MSU pick sixed or returned a kick. I don't remember the MSU points. I remember tee's TD passes in the second half.
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They did. Both. That was one of the greatest defensive performances I've ever seen from Tennessee. Their leading rusher had 38 yards, and their QB completed under 50% of his passes of 84 yards, 0 TDs, and 2 INTs. And, while our offense did turn it on late in the 4th, being held to 10 for 50+ minutes was not awe-inspiring.

MS - Bean 70 interception return (Hazelwood kick), :05 (1st)
UT - Stephens 2 run (Hall kick), 9:32 (2nd)
UT - Hall 31 FG, 5:09 (2nd)
MS - Prentiss 83 punt return (Hazelwood kick), 8:43 (4th)
UT - Price 41 pass from Martin (Hall kick), 6:15 (4th)
UT - Wilson 26 pass from Martin (Hall kick), 5:47 (4th)
 
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Incipient said:
They did. Both. That was one of the greatest defensive performances I've ever seen from Tennessee. Their leading rusher had 38 yards, and their QB completed under 50% of his passes of 84 yards, 0 TDs, and 2 INTs. And, while our offense did turn it on late in the 4th, being held to 10 for 50+ minutes was not awe-inspiring.

MS - Bean 70 interception return (Hazelwood kick), :05 (1st)
UT - Stephens 2 run (Hall kick), 9:32 (2nd)
UT - Hall 31 FG, 5:09 (2nd)
MS - Prentiss 83 punt return (Hazelwood kick), 8:43 (4th)
UT - Price 41 pass from Martin (Hall kick), 6:15 (4th)
UT - Wilson 26 pass from Martin (Hall kick), 5:47 (4th)
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Well, I was wrong. However, I would still state that the MSU team was not complete push overs either. It seems it was our under performance, much like miami did to Va tech in 01.
 
#60
#60
01 canes almost lost to VA tech.. it was only luck that they didn't.. the strength of their schedule was laughable they didn't even play a top 10 team until the actual title game

I do not want to take anything away from them as they were a great team and had a hell of an offensive attack.. but for people on here to call themselves vol fans and say the 98 vols are not nearly as good need to go look at some cold hard facts... if they were playing in the same year the vols would have been ranked ahead of them by a decent margin.. the teams we played against were miles ahead of anyone they played up until that title game..

not to mention that IMO no way the canes OL held up against the DL we fielded... they just didn't have the size, we would have had huge amounts of pressure on their QB and disrupted most of their game plan.

But in the end these kind of arguments are retarded due to the fact its all based on opinion.. if you look at the only actual data that its possible to check like schedule etc.. vols win hands down, but that is not going to be good enough for most due to the differences in the conferences they play in..
 
#61
#61
Just to play devil’s advocate, let me throw the opinion of a third-party analyst into this equation. Personally, I don’t agree with his ranking of the 2009 Alabama team as deserving of the top position although I will agree that the 1971 and 1995 Nebraska teams are worthy of serious consideration for that honor. However, Billingsley provides a very thorough explanation of the criteria upon which his rankings are based:

"First of all, bear in mind this list is compiled from a ranking achieved by all 11,241 teams who have taken the field since 1869, not just national champions. Secondly, each team’s rating is a reflection of what that team actually accomplished on the field of play relative to the schedule they played. Indeed, teams farther down on the list may have been more talented in personnel, and may have been able to beat teams ranked higher on this list. However, those teams did not have an opportunity to prove it, simply because their schedule that season was not as difficult as some of the teams above them. Also remember, these rankings do not include margin of victory, so once again, some teams you may feel were more dominate than those ranked above them simply did not have an opportunity to have that reflected in these rankings."

I originally attempted to copy and paste listings for the top 17 teams, but for some inexplicable reason, some of the numbers were reproduced as long-distance telephone numbers accessible by Skype. Needless to say, not a good thing. In any event, he ranked the 1998 Vols as 3rd overall, with 367.989 points, while the ’01 Hurricanes were 17th, with 347.017 points.

For the full listing, see http://www.cfrc.com/Archives/Top_200_2010.htm .
 
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#62
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DjCrenshaw said:
Well, I was wrong. However, I would still state that the MSU team was not complete push overs either. It seems it was our under performance, much like miami did to Va tech in 01.
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I was only using it in response to your "well, some Big East teams scored on Miami" point. Some Big East teams scored on Miami, and some mid-tier SEC teams shut down Tennessee. Neither was the standard, but I don't think one can be used as an argument that we'd have put up a lot of points on that Miami defense. Some, but it'd probably only be in the high teens.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
01 canes almost lost to VA tech.. it was only luck that they didn't.. the strength of their schedule was laughable they didn't even play a top 10 team until the actual title game

I do not want to take anything away from them as they were a great team and had a hell of an offensive attack.. but for people on here to call themselves vol fans and say the 98 vols are not nearly as good need to go look at some cold hard facts... if they were playing in the same year the vols would have been ranked ahead of them by a decent margin.. the teams we played against were miles ahead of anyone they played up until that title game..

not to mention that IMO no way the canes OL held up against the DL we fielded... they just didn't have the size, we would have had huge amounts of pressure on their QB and disrupted most of their game plan.

But in the end these kind of arguments are retarded due to the fact its all based on opinion.. if you look at the only actual data that its possible to check like schedule etc.. vols win hands down, but that is not going to be good enough for most due to the differences in the conferences they play in..
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Didn't that Nebraska team get slammed by a Colorado team, I believe it was the game before the big 12 championship, by a margin greater than miami put on them?
 
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Incipient said:
I was only using it in response to your "well, some Big East teams scored on Miami" point. Some Big East teams scored on Miami, and some mid-tier SEC teams shut down Tennessee. Neither was the standard, but I don't think one can be used as an argument that we'd have put up a lot of points on that Miami defense. Some, but it'd probably only be in the high teens.
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I will not refute your observation. I would just like to believe that UT's D would hold Miami 01 to the low to pre-teens. I think we are pretty close in outcomes. Maybe not exact, but pretty close.
 
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DjCrenshaw said:
I will not refute your observation. I would just like to believe that UT's D would hold Miami 01 to the low to pre-teens. I think we are pretty close in outcomes. Maybe not exact, but pretty close.
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I've been with you on that point the whole time. My initial contention was that it might be a 16-12 type game if they played. They could make us one-dimensional and stuff the box, and our D matched up well with their offense.
 
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DjCrenshaw said:
Didn't that Nebraska team get slammed by a Colorado team, I believe it was the game before the big 12 championship, by a margin greater than miami put on them?
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ya they lost 36-62.. how they were even the team Miami had to play for the NC is beyond me.
 
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Incipient said:
I've been with you on that point the whole time. My initial contention was that it might be a 16-12 type game if they played. They could make us one-dimensional and stuff the box, and our D matched up well with their offense.
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I'm not going to lie. I initially thought you meant they would beat us by 12 to 16 points. I thought that was a weird amount of even number differentials.
 
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