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Brillovol said:
⬆️ That’s quite a list, Jasonvol.
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Yes sir! There was probably 20+ more but I just listed the names I had heard of. Obviously there are the Darnold's, Goff's,Rosen's and Winston's of the world, but QB tends to be the position wrongly evaluated the most. It's hard to judge their mentality and ability to handle the pressure of being a College QB. Many of them aren't mentally strong enough and their abilities can only go so far.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Yes sir! There was probably 20+ more but I just listed the names I had heard of. Obviously there are the Darnold's, Goff's,Rosen's and Winston's of the world, but QB tends to be the position wrongly evaluated the most. It's hard to judge their mentality and ability to handle the pressure of being a College QB. Many of them aren't mentally strong enough and their abilities can only go so far.
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You got me thinking...



Quick quiz:

Name the last 5* SEC QB to get drafted in the first 3 rounds.
 
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volfaninpa said:
Was it Matthew Stafford?
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Close. It was actually Cam Newton. He was a 5* out of high school. Stafford would be another. Only other SEC QB I found in the top 3 rounds recently was Manziel, and he was a 3* (all Rivals rankings).
 
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Brillovol said:
Close. It was actually Cam Newton. He was a 5* out of high school. Stafford would be another. Only other SEC QB I found in the top 3 rounds recently was Manziel, and he was a 3* (all Rivals rankings).
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but stars though
 
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Brillovol said:
You got me thinking...



Quick quiz:

Name the last 5* SEC QB to get drafted in the first 3 rounds.
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Great Call! I would have never guessed it was Cam. One of the more recent successful NFL SEC QB's, Dak Prescott was drafted in the 4th round and he was also a *3.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Great Call! I would have never guessed it was Cam. One of the more recent successful NFL SEC QB's, Dak Prescott was drafted in the 4th round and he was also a *3.
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Exactly. He and Dobbs were both 4th rounders and 3*/4* respectively.
 
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Sleegro said:
247's all time recruits list filtered to qb's. Interesting mix of hits and misses.

All Time Top Football Recruits
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Wow now that's a QB list! It's crazy seeing the guys who lived up to their ranking and the ones who didn't. Many changed positions in college and others bounced around from several different universities and just never panned out. I remember Brock Berlin was supposed to be the once in a generation type QB who was destined for a great college and NFL career. Just goes to show you can evaluate their talent but not how mentally strong they can be. There's so much pressure on the QB's and they usually get too much credit and too much blame. But it's the nature of the QB beast. Some QB's don't take well to the pressure and the spotlight put on them. Definitely not a position for the weak of mind and thin skinned. These College Coach's and recruiting services can't get into the mind of these HS kids.
I know the NFL has all these tests and interviews they put these College QB's through that help them get a better idea of their mental state. Do College Coach's have something similar to help aid them? I know it's harder to get a read of a 16-18 yr old HS kid, who hasn't really dealt with much pressure.As opposed to 21-22 yr old college kids, who have matured more and dealt with more intense pressure. Didn't know if college's were even allowed to give the Wonderlic test to HS recruits??
 
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Sleegro said:
This is a really good article from 2015 breaking down the HS recruiting ranking of every QB who started at least one game in the NFL in 2014. Very few of the QBs that are top tier NFL guys were highly rated.

Current NFL quarterbacks weren't all big names on National Signing Day | AL.com

Here is the list with the rankings.

NFL QBs as Recruits
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Thanks for posting this! Just further shows the inaccuracy and inexact science of QB recruiting and evaluating. Here's another interesting list I found.

Recruiting Rewind: The Top 10 Most Hyped QB Recruits of the Decade | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Wow now that's a QB list! It's crazy seeing the guys who lived up to their ranking and the ones who didn't. Many changed positions in college and others bounced around from several different universities and just never panned out. I remember Brock Berlin was supposed to be the once in a generation type QB who was destined for a great college and NFL career. Just goes to show you can evaluate their talent but not how mentally strong they can be. There's so much pressure on the QB's and they usually get too much credit and too much blame. But it's the nature of the QB beast. Some QB's don't take well to the pressure and the spotlight put on them. Definitely not a position for the weak of mind and thin skinned. These College Coach's and recruiting services can't get into the mind of these HS kids.
I know the NFL has all these tests and interviews they put these College QB's through that help them get a better idea of their mental state. Do College Coach's have something similar to help aid them? I know it's harder to get a read of a 16-18 yr old HS kid, who hasn't really dealt with much pressure.As opposed to 21-22 yr old college kids, who have matured more and dealt with more intense pressure. Didn't know if college's were even allowed to give the Wonderlic test to HS recruits??
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I doubt college coaches can get away with the NFL methods. The NFL has the power in that interview. College coaches have to beg the players.

The thing I found most interesting was the lack of NFL success from that all time top 50. Stafford (13th) was really the only one I noticed who has really put up numbers in the league and seems to be setting up for a successful long career. Jameis(44th) is on track but too early to tell, and there are a bunch who are too young to tell. But I didn't see any all time great NFL qbs on that list just skimming through it. :loco:
 
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Brillovol said:
Exactly. He and Dobbs were both 4th rounders and 3*/4* respectively.
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Absolutely!! Josh Allen was a very low *3 and was a top 10 NFL QB Pick, #1 Pick Baker Mayfield was a low *3 that walked on at T.Tech. After returning from an injury he never got the starting job back and wasn't offered a scholly at T.Tech so he left. Which worked out great for OU.Rosen,Darnold and Rudolph were all highly ranked, Lamar Jackson was a *3 on most services,Mike White was a low *3,Luke Falk was a *2 and Kyle Lauretta didn't have a ranking.So out of the 9 drafted QB's 6 of the 9 were *3 or less.
 
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Sleegro said:
I doubt college coaches can get away with the NFL methods. The NFL has the power in that interview. College coaches have to beg the players.

The thing I found most interesting was the lack of NFL success from that all time top 50. Stafford (13th) was really the only one I noticed who has really put up numbers in the league and seems to be setting up for a successful long career. Jameis(44th) is on track but too early to tell, and there are a bunch who are too young to tell. But I didn't see any all time great NFL qbs on that list just skimming through it. :loco:
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Thats kind of what I figured about not being able to put HS recruits through some kind of mental or intelligence testing. Not that any level has a guaranteed system( See Ryan Leaf, Jimmy Clausen and hate to admit it but even Heath Shuler). Although Heath's issues were more foot injury related and Washington throwing him to the Wolves. You would think with all the advances in sports science and resources available, that they would have a more accurate method these days. Hell if some baseball Manager's can apply numbers, tendency's and formula's to their pitching matchups then someone should be able to better evaluate HS QB's. But in the end it still comes down to predicting how a teenage boy will develop, mature and handle the pressure's they will have in college. How do they handle being away from home, away from friends and family, balancing their classes and football etc. Doubt there will ever be a way to accurately determine that.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Quick quiz:

Name the last 3* QB that won an SEC championship.
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That's somewhat loaded though. The SEC is star top heavy relative to the rest football, meaning: Bama, UGA, etc, get who they want, and they want more stars. The draft stats and NFL effectiveness are far better indication of the actual quality of the QB. The point remains, service rankings of QBs are a far poorer indicator than service rankings of other position groups. Pruitt says he doesn't need a service to tell him who is or is not a good football player. Until it has been proven otherwise, I'm inclined to believe him.
 
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QB recruiting is voodoo magic. I wish we could get lucky on a little regarded 3 star that turns out to be preternaturally gifted...but we get McBride..
 
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