'18 MD DT P.J. Mustipher

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BigZiti09 said:
We weren't good enough there to begin with. Even before the injuries. Got to keep landing those guys. Can't have enough.

Doesn't matter which position you short. DT is more important than pretty much every other. Could make an argument for QB but reality is you need 1 QB to be good and to stay healthy.
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Dude we lost 3/4ths of the 1st and second string, and then lost a third string guy in Bain Nobody's third and fourth string is gonna give SEC quality play. I get what you are saying, and I'm not going to gripe if they take 4, as long as they are all really good, but I am going to complain about only taking three high 4* DT either.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
In 2016 we didn't sign a single HS DT. When you get the chance to load up you take it.
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That was a mistake, but just taking a bench warmer wasn't gonna help. They weren't going to help any more than the 4th string pine sitters we already had that ended up playing. They went all in on a couple of highly ranked guys and lost...I agree, it was a mistake.
 
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bignewt said:
last time I checked 4 + 2 and 3 + 3 equal the same so I say if you have a shot at pulling in 4 really good DTs one year, you do it.
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the 2 is an at best, while 3 is more sustainable.

like I said taking 4 leads to more cases where we end up with zero. 2015 we took 3, two really good ones in Kahlil and Tuttle, and Picou. and the next year we couldn't get a freshman. Taking 4 in 2018 is going to be an even harder sell in 2019 than 2016 was.

all it does imo is set us up for "Why didn't we take more in this year?" no one wants to go back and say "Oh yeah, we took too many the year before duh."
 
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LouderVol said:
the 2 is an at best, while 3 is more sustainable.

like I said taking 4 leads to more cases where we end up with zero. 2015 we took 3, two really good ones in Kahlil and Tuttle, and Picou. and the next year we couldn't get a freshman. Taking 4 in 2018 is going to be an even harder sell in 2019 than 2016 was.

all it does imo is set us up for "Why didn't we take more in this year?" no one wants to go back and say "Oh yeah, we took too many the year before duh."
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So you think we didnt get any in 2016 because of those 3? At the time who are you turning away?
 
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LouderVol said:
the 2 is an at best, while 3 is more sustainable.

like I said taking 4 leads to more cases where we end up with zero. 2015 we took 3, two really good ones in Kahlil and Tuttle, and Picou. and the next year we couldn't get a freshman. Taking 4 in 2018 is going to be an even harder sell in 2019 than 2016 was.

all it does imo is set us up for "Why didn't we take more in this year?" no one wants to go back and say "Oh yeah, we took too many the year before duh."
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Not only that, but I believe the staff is selling Emerson, Litaker, and Lawless as being the Big 3. Not the big 3 + 1. If the staff feels good about all 3, then I don't think we take another tackle this year.
 
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LouderVol said:
like I said taking 4 leads to more cases where we end up with zero. 2015 we took 3, two really good ones in Kahlil and Tuttle, and Picou. and the next year we couldn't get a freshman. Taking 4 in 2018 is going to be an even harder sell in 2019 than 2016 was.

all it does imo is set us up for "Why didn't we take more in this year?" no one wants to go back and say "Oh yeah, we took too many the year before duh."
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Looks like you are working way too hard to argue against doing what we absolutely do need to do. You say we did not take any freshmen in 2016, as if the reason was that we took four in 2015, when we only took three in 2015, and two of those were four stars who have not gotten on the field consistently,to say the least. Lookit, everybody knows that winning teams in the SEC need a quality rotation of DTs. I say to get the players we obviously need. Do you want to keep losing games? That will be the result if your argument prevails.
 
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Vol Main said:
Looks like you are working way too hard to argue against doing what we absolutely do need to do. You say we did not take any freshmen in 2016, as if the reason was that we took four in 2015, when we only took three in 2015, and two of those were four stars who have not gotten on the field consistently,to say the least. Lookit, everybody knows that winning teams in the SEC need a quality rotation of DTs. I say to get the players we obviously need. Do you want to keep losing games? That will be the result if your argument prevails.
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I clearly say we took 3 in 15. It made 16 a challenge. 4 in 18 is going to make 19 even worse. Especially if they are all 4 stars.

Taking 3 every year is a losing strategy? I leave room in the recruiting class in my situation. In yours that is one more spot you are taking away from another position of need.DT isn't our only need.
 
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bignewt said:
So you think we didnt get any in 2016 because of those 3? At the time who are you turning away?
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I guess you are talking this year? 1. Only lawless is committed so turning away isn't needed. 2. They are all good, so it's not like I am chopping us down to 3 stars Dooley recruits. 3. To answer your question Litaker, which sucks but the injury question is pretty big. 4. It's fine imo telling whoever number 4 is we are full up, you missed the boat. Going back to my second point I am not hamstringing us with bad players.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
In 2016 we didn't sign a single HS DT. When you get the chance to load up you take it.
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Because of 16, you absolutely take more this cycle as long as it is top shelf. Could put the word out they are only taking three to get their top targets on board and not to wait till signing day so they won't lose it. Once they commit, find room for one more elite one to chase and add for the 4 total that you wanted all along.
 
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LouderVol said:
I guess you are talking this year? 1. Only lawless is committed so turning away isn't needed. 2. They are all good, so it's not like I am chopping us down to 3 stars Dooley recruits. 3. To answer your question Litaker, which sucks but the injury question is pretty big. 4. It's fine imo telling whoever number 4 is we are full up, you missed the boat. Going back to my second point I am not hamstringing us with bad players.
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I meant in 15.
 
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LouderVol said:
I clearly say we took 3 in 15. It made 16 a challenge. 4 in 18 is going to make 19 even worse. Especially if they are all 4 stars.

Taking 3 every year is a losing strategy? I leave room in the recruiting class in my situation. In yours that is one more spot you are taking away from another position of need.DT isn't our only need.
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Louder, I'm saying you have no argument that our recruiters skunked 16 because they took 3 in 15. You are asserting a false fabrication of your mind. Your saying it and repeating it does not make it true. Why would building a better rotation damage recruiting? Do you think a DT recruit wants to go every defensive play of every game? That is not how winning teams play their DTs. That is how losing teams play their DTs. Which do you want to be?
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Most important position to recruit is defensive tackle.

1. There's fewer of them
2. Our state typically doesn't produce many of them
3. Because there are fewer DT the recruits that position are more highly coveted. You take as many SEC level DT as you can get every single year.
4. Arguably the most important position on the defense in this conference. interior defensive lineman is one of the things that separates this conference from the rest.

Doesn't matter what position you short, you get a chance to add four 4* DT to this roster, you don't hesitate. Its very unlikely it will happen though. But passing the opportunity to land a fourth one would be insanely dumb.
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Couldn't agree more on all 4 points.
 
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LouderVol said:
would you rather take 4 this year and at best 2 the year after, or 3 this year with a good shot at 3 the next year?

loading up just hurts us the next year, and is what leads to situations like 2016 where we get no freshman.
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As many as you can get every single year
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Dude we lost 3/4ths of the 1st and second string, and then lost a third string guy in Bain Nobody's third and fourth string is gonna give SEC quality play. I get what you are saying, and I'm not going to gripe if they take 4, as long as they are all really good, but I am going to complain about only taking three high 4* DT either.
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3 highly rated DT would be awesome.

Ulysees E. McGill said:
That was a mistake, but just taking a bench warmer wasn't gonna help. They weren't going to help any more than the 4th string pine sitters we already had that ended up playing. They went all in on a couple of highly ranked guys and lost...I agree, it was a mistake.
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I'm only talking in the context of taking SEC level DT. Gotta sign multiple SEC level DT yearly.
 
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Moving away from the DT numbers talk.... does anyone know what our actual chances are here?
 
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WilliamDuVOL said:
I figure we'd just start putting nothing but O linemen on the field at once. Throw 11 of them out there. We'll skip the jumbo package and just call it the "holy s*** they're coming at me" package.
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That would be glorious.
Maybe a mixture of OL and DL with one TE or DE running the ball... :salute:
 
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BeecherVol said:
Its hard to get 4 legit SEC DTs in the same class for obvious reasons. Assuming you would take 4 to begin with.
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But if you did, they could rotate so often that all 4 would be fresh the entire game. It would destroy an OL...
 
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It is possible Lawless could get a look at oline if we sign all 4.
 
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LouderVol said:
the 2 is an at best, while 3 is more sustainable.

like I said taking 4 leads to more cases where we end up with zero. 2015 we took 3, two really good ones in Kahlil and Tuttle, and Picou. and the next year we couldn't get a freshman. Taking 4 in 2018 is going to be an even harder sell in 2019 than 2016 was.

all it does imo is set us up for "Why didn't we take more in this year?" no one wants to go back and say "Oh yeah, we took too many the year before duh."
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Take 4 every year that you can get 4 4-5 star DTs. Never ever turn one down.
If you have great DTs then the entire defense is exponentially better. Don't have DTs? Defense is exponentially worse. Just review last year. I rest my case.
 
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Never turn down a 4 star DT who wants to commit. SEC championships are won at the line of scrimmage.
 
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