'18 GA QB Emory Jones (Ohio State commit)

Missing on Jones would be a massive blow. They aren't going to get a top shelf QB in this 2017 class and not landing one of Lawrence (that ship has clearly sailed) or Jones in '18 will be a killer. They might end up landing a quality QB in '18 but those two, especially Jones are on a completely different level than anyone else.
 
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Impossible to say for sure. UT did it with Blair's OL Juco coach. OSU has done it. Ole Miss, Vandy, Arkansas, Louisville to name a few. All situations I've read where recruits family or HS coaches now "work" in some capacity for the school. Of course how long that job is maintained after the papers are signed, who knows.

Kyle Davis' dad was said to have a job lined up at Knox Christian as well. That is probably a bad example tho, most think he wanted more than a job...
 
Kyle Davis' dad was said to have a job lined up at Knox Christian as well. That is probably a bad example tho, most think he wanted more than a job...

I've always heard the family stuff with EJ goes a lot further than just the mother. This is different than Von Bell. He has a very tight knit family and support staff. You can't pick up and move all of them. We'll see what happens, but it will be a huge loss (especially with Tennessee being the only school he's considering without a highly ranked class of '17 QB committed) if he picks OSU in the coming weeks.
 
Missing on Jones would be a massive blow. They aren't going to get a top shelf QB in this 2017 class and not landing one of Lawrence (that ship has clearly sailed) or Jones in '18 will be a killer. They might end up landing a quality QB in '18 but those two, especially Jones are on a completely different level than anyone else.

The QB outlook looked a lot different a year ago.
 
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I've always heard the family stuff with EJ goes a lot further than just the mother. This is different than Von Bell. He has a very tight knit family and support staff. You can't pick up and move all of them. We'll see what happens, but it will be a huge loss (especially with Tennessee being the only school he's considering without a highly ranked class of '17 QB committed) if he picks OSU in the coming weeks.

And I'm not saying she would move either, I still think he is a vol come nsd 18. I think from talking with people from Ridgelnd that Bell would have been a vol if TN had offered him/recruited him earlier.
 
Having grown up just a little north of Franklin, Columbus is a hell of a lot different. Maybe he wants something different though. Whichever place he picks I hope he does well though. Heard is really rural and poor and I hope he ends up a big success.
 
And I'm not saying she would move either, I still think he is a vol come nsd 18. I still think Bell would have been a vol if TN had offered him/recruited him earlier.

If Jones had been hired for the 2012 season instead of 2013, I agree he would have been a Vol and the W-L record in 2012 would have been a lot different as well. Dooley should never have survived after losing to Kentucky in 2011.
 
If Jones had been hired for the 2012 season instead of 2013, I agree he would have been a Vol and the W-L record in 2012 would have been a lot different as well. Dooley should never have survived after losing to Kentucky in 2011.

To a team without a QB, nonetheless.
 
Missing on Jones would be a massive blow. They aren't going to get a top shelf QB in this 2017 class and not landing one of Lawrence (that ship has clearly sailed) or Jones in '18 will be a killer. They might end up landing a quality QB in '18 but those two, especially Jones are on a completely different level than anyone else.

Wow. We have two highly rated QBs who are a freshman the other a redshirt freshman and neither have applied a down for Tennessee and you say it will be a massive blow to our team. First, it would not be massive blow and secondly, we will likely sign a very good QB for the 2017 class. It is not near the problem when Dooley did not sign a single OL player one year. one plays e Ol player on every play and one QB.
 
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Accumulating all that talent at a position where a rotation is counter productive could end up having the opposite effect. I think back to when Spurrier rep with QB was its highest (as a result of Shane Matthews and, especially Danny Wuerffel) and he signed several top-rated QBs in the country year-after-year for like 3 or 4 straight seasons. I remember as a kid thinking they'd be unbeatable as a result, ha. He then proceeded to play musical chairs with a bunch of talented but inconsistent QBs for the next several years (Doug Johnson, Jessie Palmer, Rex Grossman, Brock Berlin) and only Grossman in 2001 had similar success to either Matthews or Wuerffel (Matthews was second team All-American his junior year, Grossman was the Heisman runner-up in 2001, Wuerffel won the Heisman in UF's championship 1996 season). Likewise, Spurrier's results on the field declined from 1999-2001, despite having a strong defense. Hoke as DC from 1999-2001 may not have been as strong as Stoops from 1996-1998, but defense was not the problem for UF in 1999 and 2000 (7 combined losses those two years).

Fast forward to last year at OSU. Meyer's prowess to develop a QB was probably at its highest (Chris Leak, Tim Tebow, and then a THIRD string QB wins the natty under his watch...goodness!). Anyone who watched OSU last year would know that the QB position was most likely the weakest link on the team, despite having two QBs on the roster who were preseason hyped for the Heisman and given a first round draft grade. A third highly regarded QB moved to WR and he previously had started for 2.5 seasons at QB.

Then take the recent A&M example. Sumlin has done an incredible job developing lower rated QBs that fit his system and put up video game stats, and, of course, there was Manziel. He then proceeds to sign at least two (maybe even three?) 5-star QBs in the next couple classes. The 2015 season then has a QB battle and neither blue chip play up to their ranking or the bar set by previous Sumlin-coached QBs.

The point? Perhaps signing highly rated QBs every year can be detrimental to those QBs on the roster and to the offense as a whole. Perhaps a lower rated QB who fits a system and may be more inclined to play a support role is better every other season. This might sound crazy to essentially take a dive every other recruiting season at the QB position but there's plenty of examples in the modern football era of how stacking a roster with mega recruits at the QB position each and every year can have the opposite effect on future on-the-field results. I don't think any other position on the field would have this kind of paradoxical outcome.

Skipping in 2017 on the QB position would not be disastrous for UT. However, if JG were to win the 2017 QB race as a RS freshmen, than both upperclassmen QBs are likely to transfer, which would then be disastrous for our QB depth. This possibility would be the only reason signing a QB in 2017 might be necessary. I don't think JG wins the QB race in 2017 anyway, so I say we skip. That's pure speculation, however. Irrespective, we should sign a QB in 2018 and we need a QB that can lead our team for 2-3 years by at least 2019, if we don't find that caliber of QB in 2018. It appears that TL has trended away from us entirely, and EJ still has a visit coming up but has named OSU his leader. EJ would be wise to consider the depth chart that's developing at his position at OSU, however. It's not a matter of beating out competition in such a scenario. It's about having too much talent for a coach to settle on one single guy and then bouncing back-and-forth between several talented options only to have them all playing while looking over their shoulder at the sideline (figuratively) instead of focusing on playing the game.

Damn... I felt like I just read "The Old Man and the Sea"
 
I can say that Auburn bought Byron Cowart's mom a house in Tampa along with providing her a job. They outbid Florida.

Florida was shocked on signing day and negotiations continued that afternoon until he officially signed. I heard several members of Florida's coaching staff met her midnight at the Denny's on Hillsborough and orient with a hell of an offer right when dead period ended.

Then they got auburn'd the night before signing day.
 
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Maybe we're turning into Bama. Run the ball down everyone's throat with stud RB's, talented TE's, couple playmaking WR's except we nail them with a dual threat QB. Good luck SEC.
 
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I can say that Auburn bought Byron Cowart's mom a house in Tampa along with providing her a job. They outbid Florida.

Florida was shocked on signing day and negotiations continued that afternoon until he officially signed. I heard several members of Florida's coaching staff met her midnight at the Denny's on Hillsborough and orient with a hell of an offer right when dead period ended.

Then they got auburn'd the night before signing day.

That's pretty detailed..how do you know that?
 
That's pretty detailed..how do you know that?

Probably the only recruit I've had insider information on along with Orson Charles. A person very close to Byron works for me.

I am actually friends as well with a big Gator/Plant high school booster that did things for Orson. That's all I'll say there. This guy told me how dirty college football is.
 
Probably the only recruit I've had insider information on along with Orson Charles. A person very close to Byron works for me.

I am actually friends as well with a big Gator/Plant high school booster that did things for Orson. That's all I'll say there. This guy told me how dirty college football is.

I think everyone does it and it's always been that way. Honestly, I would rather people not get caught and things just keep going the way they are
 
Well yeah but the more that get caught the more likely we get caught lol

This is precisely the reason I'd never whistle blow. These wealthy folks work in circles and all know each other. Think of it like this. They're playing a game also. Behind the scenes and with lots of money. They brag to each other like we do about video games. Except they are playing with real people.
 
Guys won't healthy competition but to be honest.Tate Martell and Emory Jones both probally know he isn't coming there .the fact that one qb gets most of snaps unless hurt a lot of times when teams sign more than one highly rated qb in a class the one who does not win the.starting job transfers out.ala Brandon Stewart and the kid who transfers to ole piss? I know his name but 8t is alluding me at the.moment.so for Emory Jones to go to osu were Martel is sighing this year don't make common sense
 
Guys won't healthy competition but to be honest.Tate Martell and Emory Jones both probally know he isn't coming there .the fact that one qb gets most of snaps unless hurt a lot of times when teams sign more than one highly rated qb in a class the one who does not win the.starting job transfers out.ala Brandon Stewart and the kid who transfers to ole piss? I know his name but 8t is alluding me at the.moment.so for Emory Jones to go to osu were Martel is sighing this year don't make common sense

Brent Schaeffer...after a JC stop.
 
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