'17' TN ATH Tee Higgins (Clemson commit)

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bowlinggreenvol said:
May 30 we're his leader. Roughly a month later he films his video. 1 week after filming, he announces his decision. So 6 weeks went by from the time he named us his leader until he announced. 5-6 weeks is a ton of time to contemplate a decision, not to mention he attended Clemson's camp in June, after naming us his leader. I don't see what's so jacked up by the timeline; other than the self-professed rumors.
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IIRC, Tee claimed we still led after the Clemson visit in June. Or at the very least, the visit did nothing to change things.

Since then, he's said he knew he was going to Clemson for a long time, which would seem to contradict his leader board in late May.

In any case, I introduced the "bag man" rumor to the board based on some info I received and OV reached out and confirmed he had heard something similar. He has never given me a reason to not believe him and is too in touch with the recruiting scene to just blindly endorse that without feeling pretty good about its authenticity. Could we both have bad intel? Absolutely, but it sure doesn't pass the smell test in light of the entire timeline of Tee's recruitment.

JMO.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Went back and looked; the only "confirmation" that he committed at OCD were from posters on here who said they got the info from his camp. Possible his camp lied to folks prying for info? Meanwhile on June 21-22 the "VQ troll" claimed he would commit via a BR video and would commit to Clemson, Callahan felt he was trending to Clemson, the 247 national guys were calling it for Clemson and the Clemson mods felt it was them. We discover after the fact, the video obviously happened and filming took place exactly at the time the "troll" claimed it did. Fort and Hubbs were duped, out of the loop, flat wrong or whatever. They were literally the only reputable source thinking UT had a good position and we likely did, if we were in fact the leader in May.

Maybe that's all Tee said to the staff; is you lead. If it wasn't true then he lied about a leader or was ashamed/nervous to tell the staff otherwise. But that's not remotely close to committing in private and then playing/embarrassing them by reneging in public. Which is what most have claimed happened just by inferring or connecting their own dots, which aren't there.

P.S. good shot with the Clemson lovers comment. Conflicting viewpoints are always a sign of team allegiance.
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I'll leave it at this. Your sense of fairness and righteous outrage always seems to flow in one direction...away from Tennessee. When "a source" was leaked from the the Georgia camp that they backed off Mykelle McDaniel because of "character concerns", you didn't swoop in from the sidelines. I probably missed other examples where you defended young men that committed to the team the vast majority of this VOLS board supports...because you're never ardent about such cases.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
May 30 we're his leader. Roughly a month later he films his video. 1 week after filming, he announces his decision. So 6 weeks went by from the time he named us his leader until he announced. 5-6 weeks is a ton of time to contemplate a decision, not to mention he attended Clemson's camp in June, after naming us his leader. I don't see what's so jacked up by the timeline; other than the self-professed rumors.
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No, that doesn't make any sense. From the time he announced Tennessee as his leader until the video was filmed was about 3 weeks and the video served as his announcement. You're going to an extreme to defend this as an innocent change of mind when the comments he has made since the bleacher report video on July 4th was released indicate that Tennessee hasn't been his leader in quite some time... possibly even as far back as January. You have really gone to some lengths to give him the benefit of the doubt (which is fine) but you have also made the case for Clemson at every turn. That's a little weird on VN... To each his own but you shouldn't act surprised when someone mistakes you for a Clemson troll.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Last thing I'll say on this topic. And I hope this thread falls into the abyss. Swain also mentioned on his radio show that Tee knew he was going to Clemson since February, which means the 'Tennessee leads' comment was Tee bsing. Hubbs and P Fort never came out and said he committed to the coaches, but it was inferred they had a story ready. So using logic and common sense, why would there be a story on VQ if Tee was going to Clemson, or even if it was up in the air? I have no emotional attachment here, so I'm able to look at it through a clear lens. Some of the posters that are Clemson fans, negavols, Butch critics, or those unable to see any wrongdoing in certain groups of people are too emotionally involved to see this kid straight up lied and his current behavior on social media suggests he's ok with that. All I'm saying is be careful burning a bridge. Never know if you may have to cross it again. There's a way to handle things.
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i dont believe any of it. dont care. at this pt youre with us or not? who cares? good luck kid.
 
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cncchris33 said:
IIRC, Tee claimed we still led after the Clemson visit in June. Or at the very least, the visit did nothing to change things.

Since then, he's said he knew he was going to Clemson for a long time, which would seem to contradict his leader board in late May.

In any case, I introduced the "bag man" rumor to the board based on some info I received and OV reached out and confirmed he had heard something similar. He has never given me a reason to not believe him and is too in touch with the recruiting scene to just blindly endorse that without feeling pretty good about its authenticity. Could we both have bad intel? Absolutely, but it sure doesn't pass the smell test in light of the entire timeline of Tee's recruitment.

JMO.
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I don't doubt the bagman aspect of it at all. We all know Clemson's history with Pell and Ford. They're kinda like an Ole Miss to me; they have money and a desire to win but are wildly inconsistent, so boosters step up to make the program more relevant and then do what it takes to maintain that success.
 
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BurninOrange said:
He did commit to them on OCD silently and then flipped to Clemson. Butch resended the tweet he put out because he got wind that Tee flipped. Tee misled the whole staff. Also it has been said that a bagman was involved in this. OV even mentioned it as well.
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And how do you know he committed on OCD?
 
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butchna said:
I'll leave it at this. Your sense of fairness and righteous outrage always seems to flow in one direction...away from Tennessee. When "a source" was leaked from the the Georgia camp that they backed off Mykelle McDaniel because of "character concerns", you didn't swoop in from the sidelines. I probably missed other examples where you defended young men that committed to the team the vast majority of this VOLS board supports...because you're never ardent about such cases.
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This has nothing to do with Tee's character nor am I defending his character. It's not that I don't think he's capable of it because I know nothing of the kid. I'm debating whether the process went down the way many think it did, simply because there's not enough evidence. I'm not like Crunch/Leb who gets bent out of shape if we recruit over kids because I want us to have the best roster possible and tend to think things happen for a reason (Tim Hart wasn't meant to go to UT). However, it's hard to accept a coach doing that as morally fine and then being butt hurt if a kid, any kid, lies to a coach and in essence does the same thing. That's why I don't care even if Tee did it the way it's believed he did, because I expect Butch, Saban, Meyer or anyone else to do something similar to recruits because they're responsible for a very large ROI. Leb gets too emotionally invested in how a coach handles managing a class and others get too emotionally invested in how recruits treat our staff.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, that doesn't make any sense. From the time he announced Tennessee as his leader until the video was filmed was about 3 weeks and the video served as his announcement. You're going to an extreme to defend this as an innocent change of mind when the comments he has made since the bleacher report video on July 4th was released indicate that Tennessee hasn't been his leader in quite some time... possibly even as far back as January. You have really gone to some lengths to give him the benefit of the doubt (which is fine) but you have also made the case for Clemson at every turn. That's a little weird on VN... To each his own but you shouldn't act surprised when someone mistakes you for a Clemson troll.
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Except I've been here for 7 years. I was lining up in 2009 waiting for the day little 10 yr old Tee would commit to Clemson and stick it to TN, so I could troll? That's commitment on my part.

He announced us as his leader on May 30th is what you said. In his interview with the News Sentinel the day after committing he said he filmed it the week before. It's 6 weeks from May 30 to July 4.

I've made the case that Clemson has been a better program than us over the last 5 years with their run of 10+ wins. Is that really debatable given what we've been through in those 5 years (2 of which were Dooley)? I don't think that's any groundbreaking news or an example of defending. We all know we would have had better records than we did if we played in the ACC those 5 years but I also don't think we're competing for ACC titles with Dooley manning the ship.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Except I've been here for 7 years. I was lining up in 2009 waiting for the day little 10 yr old Tee would commit to Clemson and stick it to TN, so I could troll? That's commitment on my part.

He announced us as his leader on May 30th is what you said. In his interview with the News Sentinel the day after committing he said he filmed it the week before. It's 6 weeks from May 30 to July 4.

I've made the case that Clemson has been a better program than us over the last 5 years with their run of 10+ wins. Is that really debatable given what we've been through in those 5 years (2 of which were Dooley)? I don't think that's any groundbreaking news or an example of defending. We all know we would have had better records than we did if we played in the ACC those 5 years but I also don't think we're competing for ACC titles with Dooley manning the ship.
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Of course not. Dooley couldn't even win in Conference USA when he coached Louisiana Tech. If Butch was coaching Tennessee in the ACC right now, 10+ wins every year. Dobbs would be having a field day against slow defenses every week.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Of course not. Dooley couldn't even win in Conference USA when he coached Louisiana Tech. If Butch was coaching Tennessee in the ACC right now, 10+ wins every year. Dobbs would be having a field day against slow defenses every week.
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Right now? Yes.
2013? No.
2014? Maybe.
2015? Likely.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Ok
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You're asking for someone to provide proof that Tee was a silent commit to us before the change and then BurningOrange comes straight out and replies to you and you ignore it.

He may have tripped up and got the Tee prediction wrong, but he has been one of the more trusted insiders, and obviously a hell of a lot more informed than you are and apparently his explanation to you wasn't good enough so you have kept on ranting and asking for more proof.

Either you trust the VN insiders or you don't. That's what it comes down to. If you think you are going to go on the internet and read a direct quote on a recruiting site from Tee admitting he flipped then you are delusional.
 
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VersaceButch said:
You're asking for someone to provide proof that Tee was a silent commit to us before the change and then BurningOrange comes straight out and replies to you and you ignore it.

He may have tripped up and got the Tee prediction wrong, but he has been one of the more trusted insiders, and obviously a hell of a lot more informed than you are and apparently his explanation to you wasn't good enough so you have kept on ranting and asking for more proof.

Either you trust the VN insiders or you don't. That's what it comes down to. If you think you are going to go on the internet and read a direct quote on a recruiting site from Tee admitting he flipped then you are delusional.
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I was referring to a quote from the VQ or 247 guys. I didn't ask for a quote from Tee and I obviously wouldn't expect it to come from him.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I was referring to a quote from the VQ or 247 guys. I didn't ask for a quote from Tee and I obviously wouldn't expect it to come from him.
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Well you aren't going to get a quote from a national recruiting analyst who gets paid to follow these kids. No professional is going to come out and say, "Yeah Tee originally committed to TN on OCD but there are rumors that he got paid to flip to Clemson."

Whether the info is true or not, that would immediately hurt their credibility across the industry since there is no concrete proof of the payment. The only people who are going to discuss situations like this are forum insiders close to the program that have no stake in the matter and aren't getting paid to discuss their opinion on a kid.

If you are waiting for VQ or 247 to come out and corroborate BurningOrange and Orange Venom's info, then you will be waiting forever.
 
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Dabo has convinced Tee, Rodgers, Richardson and HunterJ that Clemson can run a pro-style offense and Tennessee can't or won't, and so Clemson is a better fit for the NFL-bound offensive player.
So far, there's no proof Clemson can run a pure pro-style. Their current (watson) and former (Taj) QB are both runners. Nor is there proof that Clemson can win with a flat-footed QB (HunterJ), even in the ACC.
If Butch is building an Oregon-east here, the key is speed, and he's accumulated a ton of it. More than we've ever had.
Is it embarrassing to lose our on all 4 of those guys. But, in the end, it won't put us out of business.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
Dabo has convinced Tee, Rodgers, Richardson and HunterJ that Clemson can run a pro-style offense and Tennessee can't or won't, and so Clemson is a better fit for the NFL-bound offensive player.
So far, there's no proof Clemson can run a pure pro-style. Their current (watson) and former (Taj) QB are both runners. Nor is there proof that Clemson can win with a flat-footed QB (HunterJ), even in the ACC.
If Butch is building an Oregon-east here, the key is speed, and he's accumulated a ton of it. More than we've ever had.
Is it embarrassing to lose our on all 4 of those guys. But, in the end, it won't put us out of business.
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I dont think its embarrassing when you get speed to replace speed which we will. If anything it will be embarrassing to those ass clowns when they see what they could have accomplished in the SEC instead of the also-ran ACC.
 
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I love the irony of asking for a thread to die by bumping it. There is also a handy "ignore thread" feature. I use it for all the FF style threads that get created here.
 
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What I should do is get the idea rolling that Tee isn't a WR at the next level and IMO he's a QB. Get a little reverse Torrance Gibson thing going here. That will keep the conversation humming along.
 
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