16 TN SG Jordan Bowden (UT commit 3/22/16)

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cncchris33 said:
Not sure of Fulkerson. Thought he was a true HS SR. But you add in Lamonte Turner as well, who redshirted.

Bone, Parker, Johnson, Williams, Fulkerson, Turner, and possibly 3 other additions. You are looking at potentially 9 newcomers to add to S. Phillips, Alexander, Schofield, and whatever is left of Mostella, Hubbs, and Kasongo. Talk about a complete roster overhaul.
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Fulkerson reclassified for sure


Good point on turner being another
 
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BigZiti09 said:
If he had played in Memphis he would have been a 4* and Mr. Basketball.
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Possibly but I think playing in a wide open offense like that hinders a players recruiting profile much the same way playing in spread wide open offense can hinder a QB.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Possibly but I think playing in a wide open offense like that hinders a players recruiting profile much the same way playing in spread wide open offense can hinder a QB.
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I disagree. It's basketball and not football. You can see that the kid can handle the ball, get to the basket and can shoot regardless of the system. He's a legit 6'4" and can jump. He was overlooked because of his location and limited AAU exposure more than anything.

Prep school was the perfect move for him.
 
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Stoked said:
Here are some highlights of him if anyone is interested.


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgxljaT3gHo[/youtube]

at the 22 second mark he drains a 3 in TBA and looks just like JMac.
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This guy can fly. In a couple of those dunks, he takes off much earlier than I expected.

If we landed him and another big, our athleticism will be off the charts.

Edit: Didn't see Chris' post before I typed.
 
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Thought I recalled seeing he's a 44% three point shooter this season, if that's accurate he would immediately be one of the better shooters on our roster.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Took Carter to the state two years in a row. I'm not sure of his numbers in high school put they were good. They played Loyola Maramount style so they were one of the highest scoring teams in the country.

I'll see if I can find his stats for you. I know he broke the single game scoring record last year with 54.
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I saw him play against Haywood County in last year's state tournament. It was a good game that Haywood won on their way to the title. He didn't look like a major D1 player that night and didn't dominate against an athletic Haywood team that only had one guy, Varnado, who went mid-major, Troy. Of course Haywood didn't have a lot of size but were very athletic. I remember thinking he was a guy who could end up at Belmont and do good in that system.
 
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wtorange said:
I saw him play against Haywood County in last year's state tournament. It was a good game that Haywood won on their way to the title. He didn't look like a major D1 player that night and didn't dominate against an athletic Haywood team that only had one guy, Varnado, who went mid-major, Troy. Of course Haywood didn't have a lot of size but were very athletic. I remember thinking he was a guy who could end up at Belmont and do good in that system.
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Carter was the only team to give Haywood a game in that tournament. Haywood went on to win the State Championship and only lost two games all year. Both losses were to out of state teams.

In the game you are referencing, Bowden led all scorers with 26 points.

Not trying to criticize your position. Just giving some context. I was at that game as well. Haywood was very athletic and deeper. Carter really only played five guys. Two backups played sparingly.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Carter was the only team to give Haywood a game in that tournament. Haywood went on to win the State Championship and only lost two games all year. Both losses were to out of state teams.

In the game you are referencing, Bowden led all scorers with 26 points.

Not trying to criticize your position. Just giving some context. I was at that game as well. Haywood was very athletic and deeper. Carter really only played five guys. Two backups played sparingly.
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I was just saying that he didn't dominate a team that didn't have D1 talent. He was more of a high volume scorer rather than a great shooter that night. I don' t think comparing him to a Belmont type was a bad diss. I thought he was a perfect example of a tweener but then that seems to be what Coach Barnes is looking far so he may fit the system well.
 
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Stoked said:
Yeah our 3 stars on this years team have turned out to be be better players than our 5 star (Hubbs) and 4 star (Mostella).
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I always thought Tobias Harris was pretty good at Tennessee.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
I always thought Tobias Harris was pretty good at Tennessee.
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You don't want to go down the road of examining the success rate of our former 5* players. A much bigger bust rate than you probably remember. Ramar Smith and Duke Crews immediately come to mind.

In fact, Tobias Harris was the last one to come in an make an immediate, game-changing impact since Tony Harris.
 
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cncchris33 said:
You don't want to go down the road of examining the success rate of our former 5* players. A much bigger bust rate than you probably remember. Ramar Smith and Duke Crews immediately come to mind.

In fact, Tobias Harris was the last one to come in an make an immediate, game-changing impact since Tony Harris.
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Stokes?
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
Stokes?
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9 pts/7 rebs a game isn't what I'd call game-changing. His impact was felt more in his SO year. Maybe if he had played his entire FR year, he'd fit in that category.

He wasn't a bust by any stretch, but he didn't come in as a FR and consistently light the world on fire. As I said, his curcumstances likely had something to do with that.
 
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cncchris33 said:
9 pts/7 rebs a game isn't what I'd call game-changing. His impact was felt more in his SO year. Maybe if he had played his entire FR year, he'd fit in that category.

He wasn't a bust by any stretch, but he didn't come in as a FR and consistently light the world on fire. As I said, his curcumstances likely had something to do with that.
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But he's a Cuonzo recruit, so he's on a Jordan/Lebron level
 
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cncchris33 said:
9 pts/7 rebs a game isn't what I'd call game-changing. His impact was felt more in his SO year. Maybe if he had played his entire FR year, he'd fit in that category.

He wasn't a bust by any stretch, but he didn't come in as a FR and consistently light the world on fire. As I said, his curcumstances likely had something to do with that.
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Stokes as a FR was different. He graduated HS early... his FR year was really his SR year in high school.
 
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I think in these discussions , it is often forgotten how much young players can change in a year. The kid from Carter might be an entirely different player than the one that played for Carter.

It is extremely difficult for college coaches to know how good a player can be once you get outside the very tops guys and even there you see busts. Obviously your chances of success are better with top 25 guys than guys that aren't top hundred . Two good examples are Hubbs and Richardson. Richardson just kept getting better and better. Hubbs didn't.
 
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cncchris33 said:
You don't want to go down the road of examining the success rate of our former 5* players. A much bigger bust rate than you probably remember. Ramar Smith and Duke Crews immediately come to mind.

In fact, Tobias Harris was the last one to come in an make an immediate, game-changing impact since Tony Harris.
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Duke was going to be a great player here had he stayed out of trouble. However he has seem to get his life together and is doing really well over seas. If you ask him he still considers his time at UT to be the greatest time he had.He was young and stupid and messed up a great opportunity. He also will tell you that the UT vs Memphis game is one of the greatest games he has ever played in.
 
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cncchris33 said:
9 pts/7 rebs a game isn't what I'd call game-changing. His impact was felt more in his SO year. Maybe if he had played his entire FR year, he'd fit in that category.

He wasn't a bust by any stretch, but he didn't come in as a FR and consistently light the world on fire. As I said, his curcumstances likely had something to do with that.
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If we had somebody like that now, we would be a different team, do you not agree? I'd say we'd even be on the bubble
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
If we had somebody like that now, we would be a different team, do you not agree? I'd say we'd even be on the bubble
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Maybe. Maybe not. Stokes at times took alot of plays off and if he had been under Barnes he would have seen more bench time than playing time imo.
 
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