'16 TN LB Tim Hart (FORMER UT commit 6/26/15)

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BruinVol said:
My stance on that is pretty simple

Kids will act like kids. Kids change their minds

Adults need to be above that.
1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.
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A recruit flips he has to live with it. It impacts him. When a coach at a major college program sells the dream to an 18 year old and his family then yanks it away a month or two from NSD can impact much much more for years to come. There is a reason some coaches and programs have that negative recruiting label permanently attached to them.
 
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I believe (at the least on the defensive side of the ball) the class will grade out better in four years than it will in February. Shoop said it in his press conference: he tweaks his system to fit the abilities of his players. This mindset is invaluable in my opinion. You're not so bullheaded and committed to your system that you can't remain flexible and call plays to your players' strengths. Shoop has proven he can do this with inferior talent (stars) at Vandy and undermanned at Penn State. He puts his players in a position to succeed. Enjoy the ride folks.
 
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BruinVol said:
Gee


We can easily flip a kid late in the process that is committed to Indiana or Rutgers if we miss on the 5star guys. That way there are no stories about trying to mend the fences with high schools that you need to recruit a guy at down the road.
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I agree with this 100%. I see absolutely nothing to be gained by taking commitments from marginal prospects early on if we're just going to drop them and burn bridges later. There are plenty of comparable prospects we can poach later in the process if we miss out the guys we have higher on the board.
 
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What's a bigger disservice for the kid, telling him to come on, having him sit the bench for two or three years and then transfer out? Or telling him there's a good chance he's never going to play at Tennessee and he may be better off looking at another program where his chances are greater?

If you look at these kids that are being asked to look around, you'll see that they were offered before their senior season. A lot of things change during that last year. Their bodies grow, or don't. Their development slows, or increases. Their academics change. Many factors occur. So you say, "don't offer them". Then you don't put out offers until December of their senior years?

Let's be honest, every offer that is extended isd conditional. Sometimes the coaches convey these conditions. The conditions could be:

Keep your grades up.
Keep working hard on your game.
Stay in the weight room.
Keep your nose clean.

Some maybe even told that your offer is contingent on other players leaving the program or other recruits coming and whether there is a spot open.

Also, we don't know if the school has accepted their commitment. The kid can tell the recruiting services anything they want. The school may just let it ride until they have to "make room" for another commitment.

Point here is, it is the way the game is played now a days.
 
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highspeed said:
I agree with this 100%. I see absolutely nothing to be gained by taking commitments from marginal prospects early on if we're just going to drop them and burn bridges later. There are plenty of comparable prospects we can poach later in the process if we miss out the guys we have higher on the board.
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I do as well. Its a very simple concept. Seeing fewer articles on us taking away a recruits offer and committed spot in the class for no other reason than he might not be quite as good as another name that has popped up later in the process would be a good thing.
 
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If Butch wants to sit a guy down who is a commitment and tell him there is a chance he may be recruited over is reasonable. Butch may tell him the chance of him seeing playing time is up in the air. Where the issue comes in is at that point the commitment isn't given a choice. He's just told to move on. If the commitment were told that I'd imagine most would still sign with UT if given a choice. They committed for a reason. They wanted to be a Vol. If the commitment hears those things and still wants to be a Vol, I welcome him. He's got something to prove and sounds like the kind of kid I want fighting for the Orange on Saturday's.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
If Butch wants to sit a guy down who is a commitment and tell him there is a chance he may be recruited over is reasonable. Butch may tell him the chance of him seeing playing time is up in the air. Where the issue comes in is at that point the commitment isn't given a choice. He's just told to move on. If the commitment were told that I'd imagine most would still sign with UT. They committed for a reason. They wanted to be a Vol. If the commitment hears those things and still wants to be a Vol, I welcome him. He's got something to prove and sounds like the kind of kid I want fighting for the Orange on Saturday's.
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The problem is we're making huge assumptions as to what is being said to these recruits.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
The problem is we're making huge assumptions as to what is being said to these recruits.
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You can usually tell which have been forced out and which ones know they didn't do what they needed to do to secure their spot. The internet has opened the door on stuff that years ago went away quietly.
 
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BruinVol said:
Gee


We can easily flip a kid late in the process that is committed to Indiana or Rutgers if we miss on the 5star guys. That way there are no stories about trying to mend the fences with high schools that you need to recruit a guy at down the road.
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I Love the moral high ground for truth and righteousness, then you talk about flipping kids who have been committed for months just before sighning day. F Rutgers and Indiana too right?
 
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I could be wrong, but I feel like guys like Ford and Hart would be spurned if they showed this much interest in UT, and Butch and Co. never gave them the time of day.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
You can usually tell which have been forced out and which ones know they didn't do what they needed to do to secure their spot. The internet has opened the door on stuff that years ago went away quietly.
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Many won't react well when told they might not be good enough to play for the program you're committed to regardless of the circumstances.
 
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Weezer said:
As compared to what? The last two years? We obviously can't take the same numbers as the last two years, so of course this class won't be as highly ranked. We don't have immediate playing time to promise to a stud RB, so it's understandable why we're not getting one this year.(Not that the one we're signing is bad.) The one area I see as a true step back is WR. That will need to be addressed, but we're still in it for highly rated players at other positions of need. Best case scenario, our only recruiting step back is WR, and Butch fixes that this year. NSD will tell us a lot of what we want to know.
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Only the top 20 count so a class of 31 is weighted equivalently to a class of 20. Obviously at 31 your 3* have the potential to fall outside that top 20 and not be counted "against" you. But if we landed 20 4*+ our class wouldn't be ranked low simply because of the size of it.
 
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No team, I mean No team, going to turn away a immediate impact player. I don't care if they have a full class of four stars. If a coach has a chance to get a sure thing, no miss player or upgrade. Somebody's going to lose their spot. There may be coaches out there like that but you're not going to find it in the ncaa. End of story
 
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