'15 TN DE Kyle Phillips (UT commit 1/3/15)

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BigOrangeD said:
Sometimes committing to Bama is an ego thing and then does not pan out. I think Kyle will make the decision that is best for him just based on the fact his Mom is a very accomplished person in the sports world herself. He is probably getting some sound advice.
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Well said!
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
I am not so sure that will happen. He could be All SEC @ DE.
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IMO he sticks at DE. Just makes no sense to me at all to even consider the move to OT if I were Dylan. He's never played OL. He would be coming in undersized. UT continues to recruit SEC ready OT's everyday. The kid is buried on the depth chart at OT the minute he walks on campus. What happens that 1st year or 2 he is on campus? That's right, UT signs 4-6 more SEC caliber OT's who come in 290-300LBS and with the skillset to play early. IMO it's a no win situation for a DE being asked to add 50-60LBS and learn a new position.

If he's not a take at DE, they should not have taken him. I think he will prove to be a very good DE at UT and stays there for his career.

If you need OT's, recruit OT's. If you need DE's, recruit DE's, if you need LB's, recruit LB's. IMO it's not a strange concept or one that is hard to figure out.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
IMO he sticks at DE. Just makes no sense to me at all to even consider the move to OT if I were Dylan. He's never played OL. He would be coming in undersized. UT continues to recruit SEC ready OT's everyday. The kid is buried on the depth chart at OT the minute he walks on campus. What happens that 1st year or 2 he is on campus? That's right, UT signs 4-6 more SEC caliber OT's who come in 290-300LBS and with the skillset to play early. IMO it's a no win situation for a DE being asked to add 50-60LBS and learn a new position.

If he's not a take at DE, they should not have taken him. I think he will prove to be a very good DE at UT and stays there for his career.

If you need OT's, recruit OT's. If you need DE's, recruit DE's, if you need LB's, recruit LB's. IMO it's not a strange concept or one that is hard to figure out.
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We use to recruit DL and switch them over to OL quite a bit. The logic behind it was: Recruit DLine since they tend to be the most athletic. If they cannot make it on the DLine, switch them to OLine. Many of these guys play both sides of the ball in High School. This type of recruiting worked really well for us in the past. I agree that Dylan should be tried out at DLine first. If he makes it there, then great. If not, try him at Oline.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
We use to recruit DL and switch them over to OL quite a bit. The logic behind it was: Recruit DLine since they tend to be the most athletic. If they cannot make it on the DLine, switch them to OLine. Many of these guys play both sides of the ball in High School. This type of recruiting worked really well for us in the past. I agree that Dylan should be tried out at DLine first. If he makes it there, then great. If not, try him at Oline.
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Years ago, I agree it did work out in certain situations. IMO things have changed quite a bit. HS kids are a lot more specialized now a days. Yeah, some still play on both sides of the ball, but it is becoming less and less the norm. With recruiting the way it is now and so much film, camps, and other ways for a coach to see a kid before taking him, I just think it makes so much more sense to recruit for the position of need. If the coaches focus on filling needs with kids who excel that THAT position, we would see a lot fewer busts. JMO
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Years ago, I agree it did work out in certain situations. IMO things have changed quite a bit. HS kids are a lot more specialized now a days. Yeah, some still play on both sides of the ball, but it is becoming less and less the norm. With recruiting the way it is now and so much film, camps, and other ways for a coach to see a kid before taking him, I just think it makes so much more sense to recruit for the position of need. If the coaches focus on filling needs with kids who excel that THAT position, we would see a lot fewer busts. JMO
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I don't disagree. My thinking here, is you can recruit a guy that could play both sides of the ball, who may be just as good as another recruit on DL that cannot.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
I don't disagree. My thinking here, is you can recruit a guy that could play both sides of the ball, who may be just as good as another recruit on DL that cannot.
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I guess my biggest issue in looking at Jackson as a great option on the OL or DL is simply because the kid does not and has not played OL. Yes, his body type may say he could add the weight in 2-3 years and look like an OT. With him not having played OT, isn't that a very big reach to think he could develop into an SEC caliber OT who could actually see game reps when UT is bringing in guys like Jones, Blair, Thomas, Johnson, possibly Richmond and so on? It's just tough to buy in for me.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I guess my biggest issue in looking at Jackson as a great option on the OL or DL is simply because the kid does not and has not played OL. Yes, his body type may say he could add the weight in 2-3 years and look like an OT. With him not having played OT, isn't that a very big reach to think he could develop into an SEC caliber OT who could actually see game reps when UT is bringing in guys like Jones, Blair, Thomas, Johnson, possibly Richmond and so on? It's just tough to buy in for me.
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I'm not sure. It might be. It would really depend on his athletic ability and ability to learn and pick things up. Hopefully he will be a monster DE and we will never need to find out. All I know is some of our best OLinemen have come from the Defensive side of the ball in the past. Some were All Americans if I remember correctly. Doug Matthews was commenting on it a couple of weeks ago. Again to your point, these previous guys may have played both sides back then unlike Jackson.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I guess my biggest issue in looking at Jackson as a great option on the OL or DL is simply because the kid does not and has not played OL. Yes, his body type may say he could add the weight in 2-3 years and look like an OT. With him not having played OT, isn't that a very big reach to think he could develop into an SEC caliber OT who could actually see game reps when UT is bringing in guys like Jones, Blair, Thomas, Johnson, possibly Richmond and so on? It's just tough to buy in for me.
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I think this answers the questions about recruiting players that can play both ways. Butch says it is something they try to do. Starting at the 5:12 mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8V3Y2Z4KcI&list=UUithVsC7-Cd452TGRkKvYGw&index=9

So now we know.:)
 
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The days of just being a big physical lineman are over ( IMHO ) CBJ is constantly talking about intelligent football players , mental toughness , guys that can play multiple positions , knowing your position and the positions around you . I for one can't wait too be able to have plug and play linemen with little drop off in overall ability . :thumbsup:
 
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itouchedthe_bUTch said:
I hope when Andrew Butcher gets on campus he grows a mullet and a handlebar mustache and destroys quarterbacks.
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You should tweet that to him. Have him get started on growing that mullet.
It would be so awesome and you know when the games are on TV he will become so popular lol and he will get talked about by the announcers at least once a game

MAN, I REALLY HOPE HE DOES THIS.

Puts lighting bolts on both sides of his head wi th an awesome mullet.
 
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0nelilreb said:
The days of just being a big physical lineman are over ( IMHO ) CBJ is constantly talking about intelligent football players , mental toughness , guys that can play multiple positions , knowing your position and the positions around you . I for one can't wait too be able to have plug and play linemen with little drop off in overall ability . :thumbsup:
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Sounds like Butch wants us to be Notre Dame.
 
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I just noticed that Barton Simmons changed his CB from Tenn to LSU two weeks ago for Phillips and there hasn't been any buzz here about him lately. I was wondering if anyone here had an opinion on where we stand with him. It doesn't look like he is making a decision anytime soon.
 
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I think with Barnett and Hendrix showing they can be productive at end, we've cooled on his recruitment a little. The Settle recruitment heating back up gives some proof to that. I still think he could end up here, but could also end up on the outside looking in.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I just noticed that Barton Simmons changed his CB from Tenn to LSU two weeks ago for Phillips and there hasn't been any buzz here about him lately. I was wondering if anyone here had an opinion on where we stand with him. It doesn't look like he is making a decision anytime soon.
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Would love to have him but at this point he probably isn't a huge need. We are sitting pretty at that position.
 
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