'15 MD OT Pat Allen

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I think you guys misinterpreted what I was saying, maybe I should have just came out and said it... Anyways, everyone knows you have to develop players, but Hall better have some good footwork/handwork and some strength because he might push for 6'5", might. Now, go ahead and point out to me to the 6'4"-6'5" LTs that have had success in college/NFL... All I know is, our competition seams to think there's something to these big 6'6" plus OTs...

You look at our best OTs the last 10 years and guys like James, Tiny, Foster, etc come up, all of which are 6'6" or above. Point is, if I'm taking a project on, I'm going with the guy that's 6'7". Allen and Hall are both projects. Neither need to be playing anytime soon here. 6'4"-6'5" guys can play LT, but they better be tech. sound, strong, and athletic. You show be 100 great 6'5" LTs and I'll show you 1000+ 6'6" plus great LTs.

At the end of the day, if we don't land a big OT like Allen, who's a legit 6'6", then we better pray Mahoney can develop talent... We will know soon enough because Blair will have to play next year, and his techniques for a LT were atrocious when he came here.
 
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keckjm said:
I think you guys misinterpreted what I was saying, maybe I should have just came out and said it... Anyways, everyone knows you have to develop players, but Hall better have some good footwork/handwork and some strength because he might push for 6'5", might. Now, go ahead and point out to me to the 6'4"-6'5" LTs that have had success in college/NFL... All I know is, our competition seams to think there's something to these big 6'6" plus OTs...

You look at our best OTs the last 10 years and guys like James, Tiny, Foster, etc come up, all of which are 6'6" or above. Point is, if I'm taking a project on, I'm going with the guy that's 6'7". Allen and Hall are both projects. Neither need to be playing anytime soon here. 6'4"-6'5" guys can play LT, but they better be tech. sound, strong, and athletic. You show be 100 great 6'5" LTs and I'll show you 1000+ 6'6" plus great LTs.

At the end of the day, if we don't land a big OT like Allen, who's a legit 6'6", then we better pray Mahoney can develop talent... We will know soon enough because Blair will have to play next year, and his techniques for a LT were atrocious when he came here.
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Chad Clifton was 6-5. He did ok. He played a lil angry and was also strong as an ox.
 
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roddo518 said:
Chad Clifton was 6-5. He did ok. He played a lil angry and was also strong as an ox.
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Which is what you have to be if you want to be a great undersized LT. If you play with a nasty streak, and are also really strong/ fundamentally sound, then you can play LT at 6'3". The problem is, most these college kids don't come in with that nasty attitude. That's why I believe it's ideal to recruit a least one 6'6" LT prospect each year. You can't teach size or a nasty attitude...

Also, JMO, but I think Stewart can play RT here. He has a nasty streak in him, but he'll need 2-3 years to get bigger and stronger. He played very weak competition in high school.
 
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keckjm said:
I think you guys misinterpreted what I was saying, maybe I should have just came out and said it... Anyways, everyone knows you have to develop players, but Hall better have some good footwork/handwork and some strength because he might push for 6'5", might. Now, go ahead and point out to me to the 6'4"-6'5" LTs that have had success in college/NFL... All I know is, our competition seams to think there's something to these big 6'6" plus OTs...

You look at our best OTs the last 10 years and guys like James, Tiny, Foster, etc come up, all of which are 6'6" or above. Point is, if I'm taking a project on, I'm going with the guy that's 6'7". Allen and Hall are both projects. Neither need to be playing anytime soon here. 6'4"-6'5" guys can play LT, but they better be tech. sound, strong, and athletic. You show be 100 great 6'5" LTs and I'll show you 1000+ 6'6" plus great LTs.

At the end of the day, if we don't land a big OT like Allen, who's a legit 6'6", then we better pray Mahoney can develop talent... We will know soon enough because Blair will have to play next year, and his techniques for a LT were atrocious when he came here.
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I've walked by Hall on campus and would be shocked if he wasn't at least 6.5 1/2. He's got the frame to play LT. I seriously doubt he'll be ready to contribute in 2015, but he does have the frame to be an LT.
 
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keckjm said:
I think you guys misinterpreted what I was saying, maybe I should have just came out and said it... Anyways, everyone knows you have to develop players, but Hall better have some good footwork/handwork and some strength because he might push for 6'5", might. Now, go ahead and point out to me to the 6'4"-6'5" LTs that have had success in college/NFL... All I know is, our competition seams to think there's something to these big 6'6" plus OTs...

You look at our best OTs the last 10 years and guys like James, Tiny, Foster, etc come up, all of which are 6'6" or above. Point is, if I'm taking a project on, I'm going with the guy that's 6'7". Allen and Hall are both projects. Neither need to be playing anytime soon here. 6'4"-6'5" guys can play LT, but they better be tech. sound, strong, and athletic. You show be 100 great 6'5" LTs and I'll show you 1000+ 6'6" plus great LTs.

At the end of the day, if we don't land a big OT like Allen, who's a legit 6'6", then we better pray Mahoney can develop talent... We will know soon enough because Blair will have to play next year, and his techniques for a LT were atrocious when he came here.
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Do they quit growing at 18? I didn't.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I've walked by Hall on campus and would be shocked if he wasn't at least 6.5 1/2. He's got the frame to play LT. I seriously doubt he'll be ready to contribute in 2015, but he does have the frame to be an LT.
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I know Jones is bigger than Hall, so either Jones is 6'6" or Hall is around 6'5"... Also, I just want to make this clear, I'm not saying Hall can't cut it here. I'm simply advocating for the yearly recruitment of at least one 6'6" or bigger OT prospect. I just think it's smart to always recruit tall, long, OT prospects.
 
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UTMark said:
Do they quit growing at 18? I didn't.
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Most guys stop growing at around 18ish. Their muscles will still grow, but hardly ever will you see a college kid gain 2-3 inches. Plus, most these guys look like they're 30 years old, which is a pretty good sign you are done growing.

Plus, there's tons of factors involved in growth. Nutrition, health, puberty, etc. If you can't grow a beard at 19 then you probably have a good shot of growing a few more inches, but that's not the case with most these guys coming in.
 
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With a mobile Qb our offense is much more reliant on good interior line play. We can scheme around average OT's,

the spread looks horrible when you are giving up inside penetration;)

Probably why we aggressively pursue guys who project as gaurds.

even if we don't land an "elite" tackle prospect we look stacked at center/gaurd for years to come;)
 
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keckjm said:
Most guys stop growing at around 18ish. Their muscles will still grow, but hardly ever will you see a college kid gain 2-3 inches. Plus, most these guys look like they're 30 years old, which is a pretty good sign you are done growing.

Plus, there's tons of factors involved in growth. Nutrition, health, puberty, etc. If you can't grow a beard at 19 then you probably have a good shot of growing a few more inches, but that's not the case with most these guys coming in.
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This just isn't true. I had a full beard at age 17 and grew almost two inches after I was 18. Lot's of kids grow more their freshman year.
 
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keckjm said:
I know Jones is bigger than Hall, so either Jones is 6'6" or Hall is around 6'5"... Also, I just want to make this clear, I'm not saying Hall can't cut it here. I'm simply advocating for the yearly recruitment of at least one 6'6" or bigger OT prospect. I just think it's smart to always recruit tall, long, OT prospects.
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Lol so 6'6" is a tall, long, OT prospect but 6'5" isn't.. Am I missing the sarcasm here or something?
 
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Phat-Phil said:
Lol so 6'6" is a tall, long, OT prospect but 6'5" isn't.. Am I missing the sarcasm here or something?
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Hall is barely 6'5". Allen is 6'7". That makes a huge difference most the time.

Some of you guys would argue for anything this staff does. Our average OT size, outside Kendrick and Blair, is about 6'5". Our main competitors year in and year out are signing 1-3 really good 6'6" or bigger OT each year. Cam Robinson, by far the best freshman OT last year, is 6'7". Taylor Lewan, 6'8", is by far the best rookie OT in the NFL. There's something to be said for these tall kids out of high school, at least our competitors think so...

Now, we are banking on guys growing a few inches at 19 years old... I'm elated that some of you grew past 18, however, that's not the case for the average person. Don't take my word for it though, be my guest, and argue with the PhD and MD people below who wrote/reviewed these articles...

Growth and Your 13- to 18-Year-Old

Patterns of Growth
 
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Maxwell said:
This just isn't true. I had a full beard at age 17 and grew almost two inches after I was 18. Lot's of kids grow more their freshman year.
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It's not over yet. I shrunk about an inch after I turned 50. Grew out quite a bit too.
Hadn't thought about it much but I must be running the "spread" too.
 
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keckjm said:
I know Jones is bigger than Hall, so either Jones is 6'6" or Hall is around 6'5"... Also, I just want to make this clear, I'm not saying Hall can't cut it here. I'm simply advocating for the yearly recruitment of at least one 6'6" or bigger OT prospect. I just think it's smart to always recruit tall, long, OT prospects.
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I think you're making a lot of hubbub over just an inch of height. JMO
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
I think you're making a lot of hubbub over just an inch of height. JMO
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It's not that I believe Hall can't get it done, my point is Allen is more ready to play LT now than Hall is. If something happens to Blair we are in trouble. Our staff won't play Kendrick for whatever reason so that leaves Kerbs at LT. By obtaining Allen, we have created legit competition between two physically different players. Allen is about 6'7" and Hall is 6'5". Let them both compete and let's so who's better. By doing this, we are covering our as@@@ down the road. Plus, Hall needs a year to fully recover, so Allen provides us insurance in case Blair goes down.
 
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keckjm said:
It's not that I believe Hall can't get it done, my point is Allen is more ready to play LT now than Hall is. If something happens to Blair we are in trouble. Our staff won't play Kendrick for whatever reason so that leaves Kerbs at LT. By obtaining Allen, we have created legit competition between two physically different players. Allen is about 6'7" and Hall is 6'5". Let them both compete and let's so who's better. By doing this, we are covering our as@@@ down the road. Plus, Hall needs a year to fully recover, so Allen provides us insurance in case Blair goes down.
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I want Allen to sign with us but more than we need Allen to sign, we need Kendrick and Austin Sanders to start doing whatever they're not doing. Both are tackles ~ maybe not prototypical LT but more game ready than almost all kids coming out of high school.

If we miss on Allen it hurts but not catastrophic.
 
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