'15 JUCO RB Alvin Kamara (UT commit 6/21/14)

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utvolpj said:
I said 15 years ago. Please read more carefully

I will conceded an applicable degree is likely more important due to the number of useless lib arts majors flooding the workforce
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It's why you get a degree in something useful. Earth is a practical planet, not theoretical.
 
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utvolpj said:
I said 15 years ago. Please read more carefully

I will conceded an applicable degree is likely more important due to the number of useless lib arts majors flooding the workforce
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sorry. you said you were 38, so I assumed you went to college at 18. I thought I was correcting your mistake. Having an applicable degree was kind of implicit, but yeah you are right.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
oh, 75% of people are pretty much idiots. The # seems to keep going up, so the latter would be true. Manipulating that many people can't be that easy though.
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Have you looked at the American voters lately? Elections are not about the best person for the job, but rather a popularity contest. Including the Presidency. SMH
 
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kyoon2 said:
you are going off on a tangent. I never even mentioned that Jenny Wright's fiasco was the AD's fault. All I said was that the provost handled it correctly. I understand it's quite difficult to keep up for you. :pilot:
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I actually laughed out loud at your last sentence.
 
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SD189 said:
how many times have 100,000 people shown up to watch someone take a math test?
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This is what is wrong with society. Sports are way overblown. We do not help people to be all they can be. I am as big a football fan as anyone but we make too much of these athletes.
 
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onevol74 said:
This is what is wrong with society. Sports are way overblown. We do not help people to be all they can be. I am as big a football fan as anyone but we make too much of these athletes.
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If 100,000 people showed up to watch me take a math test, I'd break from the pressure. Especially now that I've gotten older and can't remember half the math I learned.
 
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Big Orange#1 said:
Of all the things wrong with the world? Sports?
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Well, in fairness to him, this is a sports forum and not the political forum, so much easier to make sports the problem than to bring in politics, radical religious views, or lg as the problem.
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
Jmo, they put up beauty pageant contestants instead of leaders that would do what is best for America. No chance for the voters if both parties do that
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I'd vote for Kate Upton. She may not solve the world's problems, but what politician is. I'd watch every speech she gave, just muted.
 
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kyoon2 said:
the university lowers its acceptance standard as it is for these "students." It's unfair to students who worked to get into the university. Also, are you saying not hiding the Jenny Wright incident was for embarrassing the the AD, not because it was immoral or went against principles of integrity? Some of you guys really need to get checked.
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No dog in this fight but your assumption here is wrong. UT does not lower its standards like other programs in the SEC do. A lot of programs use what is called special admits to get athletes in the school that if they were not an athlete would not qualify. They are cleared by the NCAA as qualifiers but need help getting in. UT does not or at least did not a few years ago according to report out there.

Six schools besides Texas reported no use of special admissions on campus: Air Force, Connecticut, Kansas State, Purdue, Tennessee and Virginia.
At South Carolina, All-American linebacker Eric Norwood recently graduated early with a bachelor's degree in criminal justice.

Norwood was twice denied admission to South Carolina before being accepted as a special admit. The school softened special admission standards in 2007 after coach Steve Spurrier threatened to quit when two recruits who met NCAA eligibility requirements were turned down.

I have seen one report that 94% of UGA's football team were special admits. Meaning they cleared the NCAA but the school had to show favor in getting them him.

I know this goes on everywhere I have no concern with roster management at big schools. These programs are not recruiting scholars they are recruiting athletes to win. If what is out there is true UT is at a disadvantage when recruiting and bringing in players. Just take a look at Vandy. Franklin arrives and since he has been there the graduation rate for the football has dropped 7%. Even Vandy understands to win at football you recruit athletes not scholars. It does not mean you sell the farm but you have to bend the admission requirements.
 
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Magic8Vol said:
No 30 & 4.0 are pretty close, my daughter just graduated in may so im pretty familiar with the standard.

Higher incoming standards doesnt equal better education just a higher cutoff for admissions. You are a real tool & dont even realize how pathetic you sound. Do you honestly believe the education you receive now is better because of a higher admission standard? Based on that line of reasoning you should consider asking for a refund! As for if we were applying for the same job, I will put my sorry old degree & 10 yrs of experience as a department head over 60 plus employees against your resume anytime.
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Exactly the only reason the incoming standards are higher now is because of the number of people applying to schools. It is just a way to reduce the number of applications they receive they do not want to filter through. I work for a university and I continue to hear how the quality of the students today have gone backwards with the new higher standards. The problem today starts with standardized testing that HS spend some much time prepping students to beat and receive higher scores. I never spent the time on SAT practicing as they do today and still my scores are higher than most today. Not to mention the correlation with the amount of money schools receive based on test scores.

Studies have shown students spend less time on subject matter now then before because time spent learning how to be a test.

Also if a degree today was so much more valuable than why are so many coming out can not find a job or take it from someone who has been there for 10 plus years.
 
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TideWarrior said:
No dog in this fight but your assumption here is wrong. UT does not lower its standards like other programs in the SEC do. A lot of programs use what is called special admits to get athletes in the school that if they were not an athlete would not qualify. They are cleared by the NCAA as qualifiers but need help getting in. UT does not or at least did not a few years ago according to report out there.

Six schools besides Texas reported no use of special admissions on campus: Air Force, Connecticut, Kansas State, Purdue, Tennessee and Virginia.
At South Carolina, All-American linebacker Eric Norwood recently graduated early with a bachelor's degree in criminal justice.

Norwood was twice denied admission to South Carolina before being accepted as a special admit. The school softened special admission standards in 2007 after coach Steve Spurrier threatened to quit when two recruits who met NCAA eligibility requirements were turned down.

I have seen one report that 94% of UGA's football team were special admits. Meaning they cleared the NCAA but the school had to show favor in getting them him.

I know this goes on everywhere I have no concern with roster management at big schools. These programs are not recruiting scholars they are recruiting athletes to win. If what is out there is true UT is at a disadvantage when recruiting and bringing in players. Just take a look at Vandy. Franklin arrives and since he has been there the graduation rate for the football has dropped 7%. Even Vandy understands to win at football you recruit athletes not scholars. It does not mean you sell the farm but you have to bend the admission requirements.
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Excellent post. Susan Martin has a lot to do with no special admits according to previous "insiders."
 
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TideWarrior said:
No dog in this fight but your assumption here is wrong. UT does not lower its standards like other programs in the SEC do. A lot of programs use what is called special admits to get athletes in the school that if they were not an athlete would not qualify. They are cleared by the NCAA as qualifiers but need help getting in. UT does not or at least did not a few years ago according to report out there.

Six schools besides Texas reported no use of special admissions on campus: Air Force, Connecticut, Kansas State, Purdue, Tennessee and Virginia.
At South Carolina, All-American linebacker Eric Norwood recently graduated early with a bachelor's degree in criminal justice.

Norwood was twice denied admission to South Carolina before being accepted as a special admit. The school softened special admission standards in 2007 after coach Steve Spurrier threatened to quit when two recruits who met NCAA eligibility requirements were turned down.

I have seen one report that 94% of UGA's football team were special admits. Meaning they cleared the NCAA but the school had to show favor in getting them him.

I know this goes on everywhere I have no concern with roster management at big schools. These programs are not recruiting scholars they are recruiting athletes to win. If what is out there is true UT is at a disadvantage when recruiting and bringing in players. Just take a look at Vandy. Franklin arrives and since he has been there the graduation rate for the football has dropped 7%. Even Vandy understands to win at football you recruit athletes not scholars. It does not mean you sell the farm but you have to bend the admission requirements.
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I never said or assumed that other SEC schools didn't lower their standards. All I said was Harvard doesn't accept athletes with 25's.
So everything is okay as long as the NCAA and Steve Spurrier threatens to quit his job, right? You did not answer anything, but gave useless examples for a topic other than the one addressed.
 
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TideWarrior said:
Exactly the only reason the incoming standards are higher now is because of the number of people applying to schools. It is just a way to reduce the number of applications they receive they do not want to filter through. I work for a university and I continue to hear how the quality of the students today have gone backwards with the new higher standards. The problem today starts with standardized testing that HS spend some much time prepping students to beat and receive higher scores. I never spent the time on SAT practicing as they do today and still my scores are higher than most today. Not to mention the correlation with the amount of money schools receive based on test scores.

Studies have shown students spend less time on subject matter now then before because time spent learning how to be a test.

Also if a degree today was so much more valuable than why are so many coming out can not find a job or take it from someone who has been there for 10 plus years.
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Actually, the scores are important because someone from nowhere high school can get a 4.0 whereas someone from a prep school or a more competitive school can have a 3.5, yet be much smarter. At least that's the assumption, therefore, the colleges wanting to give the kid from a nowhere school a shot, ask that he takes standardized tests. Students spend less on subject matter because most of the kids don't need to spend time due to no student left behind and such. The incoming standards are higher because more kids want to go to college, and therefore, is becoming more competitive, not to filter out.

I think you are having trouble distinguishing cause from correlation. But, what do I know?
 
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kyoon2 said:
30 or 4.0 is a lot closer to the Vandy standard than UT's. My degree is not same as yours because you went to school 15 years ago before Hope scholarship. You might call it same, but let's compete for the same job and see if the employer share your view. If you have to work harder to get the same result as another person in school, it usually means you are dumber. It wouldn't be the only case because instructors have to slow down to teach the slower kids, that's why it matters. In addition, if the dumb kids go out and are inadequately performing in the workforce, it lowers the value of my degree. I am not assuming what you are proposing that I am assuming. Your framework is really flawed, think a bit more before posting.
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I own my own company. If you came across in an interview the way you are coming across on here, there is no way in heck I would hire you. Every employee in the company would Terry Tate office linebacker your butt. Google it.
 
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JacketVol said:
I own my own company. If you came across in an interview the way you are coming across on here, there is no way in heck I would hire you. Every employee in the company would Terry Tate office linebacker your butt. Google it.
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congrats on owning your own company! Even though it almost brings me to tears to think that I will not be hired by you, I will try to feel better by reminding myself that I will never have to ask a random poster for a job!
 
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