'15 JuCo DT David "DJ" Jones

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KnoxVegas said:
No it does not. From your statement it seems like you are shooting from the hip.

IEP's almost guarantee a kid a HS diploma. They get to retake everything. And a teacher better have extensive documentation to fail a kid with an IEP.

As a high school teacher and football coach, I have a lot of experience with this subject.

So back to my original point. 95% of the time when a kid fails it is simply apathy.
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So as I as a parent of such a student, would love to know the school system where you work so I can report you because most everything you just said is not true. If the student does not complete the class work as given to other students they are eligible for HS certificates, not diplomas. They are given a separate grading for that purpose. For the diploma, they are given extra time and adaptive methodology of testing for the same class room material as regular students if they are capable of earning a diploma. They receive additional assistance from "resource" type trained teachers and assistants which occurs during normal class room time, which also helps with homework assignments from the regular classes and to coordinate with the teachers. Due to the time that takes in this resource period it keeps the student from taking college prep classes so they end up with a basic high school diploma. In my child's case the required classes were later taken at a local community college successfully and my child progressed on to a degree before getting married and starting a family.

If you are a teacher and you are intentionally passing students of this type you are subject to being fired. If you think the students are incapable of accomplishing their goals you are full of crap. It takes some longer than others.
 
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BruinVol said:
Is there no longer two different paths high school students can choose with thier graduation paths??

Vocational and college path?

It's been a few years since I have been completely familiar but not too long ago the special Ed kids and some IEP kids were on the vocational path which meant not enough core classes and that has everything to do with the NCAA.
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There are actually three or four depending on the state and system. Certificate (per my post), Basic, College Prep, Vocational.
 
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Vols4us said:
So as I as a parent of such a student, would love to know the school system where you work so I can report you because most everything you just said is not true. If the student does not complete the class work as given to other students they are eligible for HS certificates, not diplomas. They are given a separate grading for that purpose. For the diploma, they are given extra time and adaptive methodology of testing for the same class room material as regular students if they are capable of earning a diploma. They receive additional assistance from "resource" type trained teachers and assistants which occurs during normal class room time, which also helps with homework assignments from the regular classes and to coordinate with the teachers. Due to the time that takes in this resource period it keeps the student from taking college prep classes so they end up with a basic high school diploma. In my child's case the required classes were later taken at a local community college successfully and my child progressed on to a degree before getting married and starting a family.

If you are a teacher and you are intentionally passing students of this type you are subject to being fired. If you think the students are incapable of accomplishing their goals you are full of crap. It takes some longer than others.
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Don't be an armchair QB. This guy is a teacher by profession and I'm sure he knows his job. I can add and subtract and I'm an Engineer but that doesn't mean I'm going to call out an accountant on accounting principles. BTW...What's your profession? Just curious so I can blindly tell you about your job.
 
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Vols4us said:
So as I as a parent of such a student, would love to know the school system where you work so I can report you because most everything you just said is not true. If the student does not complete the class work as given to other students they are eligible for HS certificates, not diplomas. They are given a separate grading for that purpose. For the diploma, they are given extra time and adaptive methodology of testing for the same class room material as regular students if they are capable of earning a diploma. They receive additional assistance from "resource" type trained teachers and assistants which occurs during normal class room time, which also helps with homework assignments from the regular classes and to coordinate with the teachers. Due to the time that takes in this resource period it keeps the student from taking college prep classes so they end up with a basic high school diploma. In my child's case the required classes were later taken at a local community college successfully and my child progressed on to a degree before getting married and starting a family.

If you are a teacher and you are intentionally passing students of this type you are subject to being fired. If you think the students are incapable of accomplishing their goals you are full of crap. It takes some longer than others.
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I respect you so much for what you said. I have autism, and I went up to 8th grade with ipe. I had to go to so many different types of instructors. I was able to go into high school without any help at all. I worked my ass off for this. I was able to not only take all the college prep classes, I took ap classes also.
 
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Burger said:
I respect you so much for what you said. I have autism, and I went up to 8th grade with ipe. I had to go to so many different types of instructors. I was able to go into high school without any help at all. I worked my ass off for this. I was able to not only take all the college prep classes, I took ap classes also.
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Good for you Burger! My wife teaches Special Ed and she will be the first to say that her kids work harder and care more about what they are doing than most students.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
Good for you Burger! My wife teaches Special Ed and she will be the first to say that her kids work harder and care more about what they are doing than most students.
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Thank you sir. It's a huge reason I can relate to Butch's attitude. The difference between 5-7 and 8-4 is hard work. Fooley didn't put in the time Butch does at his previous jobs. You can do anything with intelligence and hard work.
 
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Burger said:
Thank you sir. It's a huge reason I can relate to Butch's attitude. The difference between 5-7 and 8-4 is hard work. Fooley didn't put in the time Butch does at his previous jobs. You can do anything with intelligence and hard work.
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Hats off to you!

There's something extra special about having a blue collar leader of our program!!
 
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Vols4us said:
So as I as a parent of such a student, would love to know the school system where you work so I can report you because most everything you just said is not true. If the student does not complete the class work as given to other students they are eligible for HS certificates, not diplomas. They are given a separate grading for that purpose. For the diploma, they are given extra time and adaptive methodology of testing for the same class room material as regular students if they are capable of earning a diploma. They receive additional assistance from "resource" type trained teachers and assistants which occurs during normal class room time, which also helps with homework assignments from the regular classes and to coordinate with the teachers. Due to the time that takes in this resource period it keeps the student from taking college prep classes so they end up with a basic high school diploma. In my child's case the required classes were later taken at a local community college successfully and my child progressed on to a degree before getting married and starting a family.

If you are a teacher and you are intentionally passing students of this type you are subject to being fired. If you think the students are incapable of accomplishing their goals you are full of crap. It takes some longer than others.
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I think you're misunderstanding the situation that he's describing. The issue is the importance of graduation rates for school funding and performance evaluations. As a result, there's a lot of internal pressure from administrators to pass every student in addition to external pressure from overzealous parents to pass their particular student.

In the end what it means is that kids are given second chances upon second chances to pass. There's a mountain of paperwork involved in failing a kid (2 mountains for a kid with special needs). On top of that, administrators can and often do go in and change a teacher's final grades to pass students for graduation rates.

There are some students who legitimately need all of this help and for them it's beneficial. However, for many students the result is a knowledge that they can't really fail and an apathy about schoolwork. It also means that if a kid without special needs is failing a bunch of core classes it's probably a lack of effort.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
I think you're misunderstanding the situation that he's describing. The issue is the importance of graduation rates for school funding and performance evaluations. As a result, there's a lot of internal pressure from administrators to pass every student in addition to external pressure from overzealous parents to pass their particular student.

In the end what it means is that kids are given second chances upon second chances to pass. There's a mountain of paperwork involved in failing a kid (2 mountains for a kid with special needs). On top of that, administrators can and often do go in and change a teacher's final grades to pass students for graduation rates.

There are some students who legitimately need all of this help and for them it's beneficial. However, for many students the result is a knowledge that they can't really fail and an apathy about schoolwork. It also means that if a kid without special needs is failing a bunch of core classes it's probably a lack of effort.
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Good try and understand what you are saying but the posts in questions inferred absence of effort and fraudulently (which is what you are saying is happening in that and your personal experience) gifting of grades that were not earned. Unless that assertion is proven true, one cannot assume it is true. The post above mine indicates he is heading the juco route. That means he did well enough to get into a juco in a different state so they can help him progress and get into a 4 year school. That indicates that he has potential to achieve or he would have been heading to prep school. CP is an example of an underachieving high schooler that went to a prep school, before going to a juco. We all now know where that lead.

The post you defend was blowing it off as a someone who didn't give a crap about school and was being passed along by teachers and administrators for the reasons you describe (again - which really happen and are really against ethics and some laws) when there was no evidence of any of it being true. It actually appears now that it is very false and he very likely could have learning disabilities that were being adressed. His admission to juco also alludes to a low ACT score, which is eliminated as a concern in the future by going juco.
 
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Vols4us said:
Good try and understand what you are saying but the posts in questions inferred absence of effort and fraudulently (which is what you are saying is happening in that and your personal experience) gifting of grades that were not earned. Unless that assertion is proven true, one cannot assume it is true. The post above mine indicates he is heading the juco route. That means he did well enough to get into a juco in a different state so they can help him progress and get into a 4 year school. That indicates that he has potential to achieve or he would have been heading to prep school. CP is an example of an underachieving high schooler that went to a prep school, before going to a juco. We all now know where that lead.

The post you defend was blowing it off as a someone who didn't give a crap about school and was being passed along by teachers and administrators for the reasons you describe (again - which really happen and are really against ethics and some laws) when there was no evidence of any of it being true. It actually appears now that it is very false and he very likely could have learning disabilities that were being adressed. His admission to juco also alludes to a low ACT score, which is eliminated as a concern in the future by going juco.
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It doesn't justify assuming it is never true either. Our school system is substandard and screwed all to hell. About 30 countries are kicking our ass at least. Shuffling kids through does not help society anymore than you berating him for his mostly true take on it. When I went to school the class was divided into thirds. Say 6 7 th or 8th grade with an a , b, or c classification. This allowed smarter kids to progress faster. And the slower ones got more attention as a group. Then they decided this was not fair and discriminatory and started mixing everyone regardless of ability. The smart ones got dejected and bored due to the slower pace. And on and on ad hominem. Thank you NEA!
 
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BODACIOUS said:
It's all good. Just found on twitter he signed with East Mississippi c.c.
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Dont they do that jist in case they cant get into the bigger school? I thought I remember hearing somersimilar that covers him and assures that he is in school somewhere this yr incase he doesnt get into UT. Could be wrong and will hold out hope until Hubbs or another VQ guy says differently.
 
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Apparently our staff helped David get to East Mississippi JUCO and he's a target for the 2015 class.

Tennessee set it up for Jones to end up at East after it became apparent there was no way for Jones to end up at Tennessee or pretty much anywhere out of high school.

Tennessee has continued to recruit him. I don't know if Jones would publicly say Tennessee leads, but it's hard to argue they've been very committed to recruiting him through him going to juco.

I think he's very much a top target for the Vols in 2015.
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-Fortenberry


Is he projected to be out of JUCO in January '15?

A little too early to say. I think that is the hope and the plan, but he needs to get through his first year.
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-Fortenberry

For those that haven't seen his HS film, take a look. It's really impressive.

DJ Jones - Highlight Videos, Schedule & Roster - Hudl
 
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Listed at 6-2, 310 on EMCC's roster. Put up outstanding numbers this year, especially considering how stacked his team was on the DL: 49 tackles, 8 TFL, 8 sacks, 1 forced fumble & 1 fumble recovery.
 
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#150
This guy is going to be a damn monster on the DL for us. I'm confident we land him with his past and our obvious high interest. Should end up high 4* rating especially if he has grown a few more inches as the roster has him listed.
 
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