'15 GA WR Preston Williams (UT Signee 2/4/15)

I think the NFL will be salivating over Croom based on his measurements alone.


Meh. I remember when Ramses Barden from Cal Poly got drafted back in 2009. 6'6 230 ran a 4.6. Hasn't done anything in the league..can't even crack a roster now. Not saying that'll be the case with Croom, but when it comes to WR's I think size is a bit overrated.

Explosiveness, getting in & out of breaks, good hands, etc all more important.
 
North's injury hurt his biggest asset last year which is going up and getting the ball in the air. He's not really a "make guys miss" receiver. He's a long ball, end zone fade receiver.

His injury + our OL's struggles + Jake's abysmal playcalling in the red zone hurt his stats. He'll be great this year and Dobbs' top target on the long ball.

Poor Worley and Peterman were annihilated on any pass that required giving WR time downfield.
 
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Croom is a really good WR. I admit he has hd some injuries which have restricted his play. I don't care who's guy he was/is. He is the best blocking WR on the team. Most of the other guys seem to be afraid to block. If all WR will block, it will be very difficult for other teams to stop our running game. If they don't block, our running game will be OK, but not great.


I agree with you. I'm pretty sure he was also our best red zone receiver last year too.
 
Did some research.

Central Michigan years:
Antonio Brown-2007 (1003 yards) and 2009 (1198 yards)

Cincinnati years:
Armon Binns-2010 (1101 yards)

Seeing that just makes me believe even more this system is not set up for big numbers for individual receivers. Only 2 have ever done it before, and 1 is the best receiver in the nfl at the moment (statistically).

I think North and Williams both have the talent to do so. I just don't believe this system sets them up for big numbers.
What about Debord's receivers?
 
I said that the other day. Then got roasted...

You shouldn't have KittyCat. I started having real concerns about Azzani's ability to coach up his WR group after the 2013 loss to Vandy. After our freshman WR North went out with an ankle, we literally couldn't get a single WR open vs Vandy's 2nd string DBs. And while I know we had early injuries to both Smith and Pearson last year, our group as a whole, which was widely considered our most talented and deepest position group, just didn't approach expectations. Pig was our only reliable WR last year imo, and he had only 650 or so yds receiving and 1 TD.

Now, 3 years in, Azzani's WRs have by all accounts a very poor spring and bad O&W game..... color me not remotely impressed.
 
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I think we'll see some tweaks to the system this year with DeBord calling the plays. There have been reports that he's going to go more vertical with the passing game.

Our WRs have yet to show they can get off press man coverage, nor have they shown the ability to get behind anybody's (including Utah State's, UTC's or Vandy's) secondary. Until that happens, I'm not certain DeBord will have any confidence to call those plays.
 
I started having real concerns about Azzani's ability to coach up his WR group after the 2013 loss to Vandy. After our freshman WR North went out with an ankle, we literally couldn't get a single WR open vs Vandy's 2nd string DBs.

What WR group? North was basically it in 2013. Smith and Croom weren't really even serviceable yet and Pig hadn't hit his stride. Dobbs also couldn't hit the broadside of a barn during that game.

And while I know we had early injuries to both Smith and Pearson last year, our group as a whole, which was widely considered our most talented and deepest position group, just didn't approach expectations.

Because literally everyone outside of Pig was injured at some point and only Pearson was back to 100% by Vandy/Iowa. And neither Worley nor Dobbs had time in the pocket to wait for receivers to get open.

Pig was our only reliable WR last year imo, and he had only 650 or so yds receiving and 1 TD.

Pig isn't really a big play or end zone threat at WR. He's a guy who will pick up 10-15 yards in space. Look at the South Carolina game. That's his forte.

Now, 3 years in, Azzani's WRs have by all accounts a very poor spring and bad O&W game..... color me not remotely impressed.

Eh. Malone, Johnson, and Pig looked fine in the spring game. Croom and North are still hurt and Smith isn't even close to 100%. No Pearson. Also, our DBs are really good.

I don't know how you can call Z a bad coach when there has been major and obvious improvement from Pig, Croom, Smith, and Johnson under his tenure. WRs not getting open in two seconds isn't his fault. A bad OL handcuffs the offense.

Hurd should have rushed for 1,200+ last season but no one calls out Gillespie because it's obvious the OL didn't perform up to par. Same thing with the WRs.
 
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Our WRs have yet to show they can get off press man coverage, nor have they shown the ability to get behind anybody's (including Utah State's, UTC's or Vandy's) secondary. Until that happens, I'm not certain DeBord will have any confidence to call those plays.

Last year teams could play press man because they only had to maintain coverage for roughly 0.5 seconds.
 
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North's injury hurt his biggest asset last year which is going up and getting the ball in the air. He's not really a "make guys miss" receiver. He's a long ball, end zone fade receiver.

His injury + our OL's struggles + Jake's abysmal playcalling in the red zone hurt his stats. He'll be great this year and Dobbs' top target on the long ball.

co-sign. folks seem to ignore how bad our QB situation has been the last 2 years. if North was on Alabama, he'd be a back to back 1000 yard receiver already.

there's a reason he's already being considered a 1st round pick in 2016 by some mock drafts.
 
North needs to put together a complete season with some 10 catch games. I have a high standard for him.

look at how Randy Moss looked when he was in Oakland vs. when he got to New England. a WR can't throw the ball to himself. North was hampered by horrible QB play and a terrible o-line the last couple of seasons.

I think he has an all-sec 1st team type of season this year if he can stay healthly thanks to Joshua Dobbs.
 
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What WR group? North was basically it in 2013. Smith and Croom weren't really even serviceable yet and Pig hadn't hit his stride. Dobbs also couldn't hit the broadside of a barn during that game.



Because literally everyone outside of Pig was injured at some point and only Pearson was back to 100% by Vandy/Iowa. And neither Worley nor Dobbs had time in the pocket to wait for receivers to get open.



Pig isn't really a big play or end zone threat at WR. He's a guy who will pick up 10-15 yards in space. Look at the South Carolina game. That's his forte.



Eh. Malone, Johnson, and Pig looked fine in the spring game. Croom and North are still hurt and Smith isn't even close to 100%. No Pearson. Also, our DBs are really good.

I don't know how you can call Z a bad coach when there has been major and obvious improvement from Pig, Croom, Smith, and Johnson under his tenure. WRs not getting open in two seconds isn't his fault. A bad OL handcuffs the offense.

Hurd should have rushed for 1,200+ last season but no one calls out Gillespie because it's obvious the OL didn't perform up to par. Same thing with the WRs.

1. Pig was our leading receiver in 2013...followed by North, Neal, Croom, Johnson and Smith. Why exactly weren't any of them "serviceable" after a summer, fall camp and 10 games of the season? Kinda helps make my point about Azzani imo. You say Dobbs couldn't hit the broad side of a barn that game and I'm not gonna argue that he really good....but couldn't at least half the problem have been that his WRs couldn't get open vs Vandy's second string DBs and give him good targets to throw to?

2. Literally? All teams have nagging injuries to multiple position groups every year. Fact is, we had 1 WR who missed the majority of the season due to injury, Josh Smith. Pearson was injured early, but played in 11 of 13 games.... North was injured late, but he played in 10 games and was already having a disappointing season prior to his injury. Croom played all 12 reg season games and was injured during bowl practice. Malone played all 13 games, J Johnson 11 games. The WR position was supposed to be our deepest and most talented position....good, well-coached groups, in addition to having their best most talented players perform well and consistently, have other guys step up in the case of injury. I don't think either happened particularly much last year.

3. I agree that Pig wasn't a real big play or endzone threat, primarily because of his size. Problem was, neither were our 6'3-6'5 guys under Azzani.

4. By all accounts, especially Jayson Swain, the WRs were very disappointing throughout the Spring. If you listen to his show, he was constantly verbalizing his disappointment and frustration with how they were catching the ball most of the Spring. He was also less than impressed with their O&W game overall performance. Did you see the 1 on 1 competition vs the DBs?? The WRs didn't win a single rep....something like 0-8...eh, that's not good.

5. Haven't said Azzani is a "bad coach", but I will say I don't think he's shown that he's a "good coach" at all. Pig has improved, but North regressed imo last year. Honestly, what did Croom do? Nice TD catch vs Georgia, nice catch and run vs Kentucky.... what else? I recall everybody ripping him after the Oklahoma game. Pearson was having a bad Spring before his suspension, Malone by all accounts isn't showing much improvement at all, Wharton and Jenkins transferred, Johnson caught about 10 balls last year....what improvement?

As far as the OL, yeah, they were epicly bad last year....maybe our supremely talented group could've helped them and the QB out more by getting off coverage and getting much better separation than they did.

5. Gillespie didn't have a deep RB rotation of supremely talented athletes running all over the place like Azzani had. He had 1 outstanding freshman still learning and adjusting to the college game and a slow footed senior who won't get a sniff from the NFL. Azzani had/has at least 3, maybe 4 NFL prospects he's working with.

Bottom line, we just disagree. You think Azzani is a fine coach dealing with a rash of injuries who's made the best of his situation.....I don't.
 
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look at how Randy Moss looked when he was in Oakland vs. when he got to New England. a WR can't throw the ball to himself. North was hampered by horrible QB play and a terrible o-line the last couple of seasons.

I think he has an all-sec 1st team type of season this year if he can stay healthly thanks to Joshua Dobbs.

Horrible QB play?? Since when is completing 62% of your passes with nearly 3,000 yds and 23 tds "horrible" QB play? Those were our QB team stats last year.

I can argue just the opposite, that North's horrible inability to get off coverage and get behind coverage (haha, North behind coverage...it cracked me up just typing it). Do you recall the Florida game when 6'4 225lb North beat 5'11 190 Hargreaves at the goaline for what proved to be the game-winning TD?? Yeah, me neither. I recall North killing it vs Arky State and UTC (3 of his 4 TD catches for the year) and pretty much disappearing the rest of the season.
 
Horrible QB play?? Since when is completing 62% of your passes with nearly 3,000 yds and 23 tds "horrible" QB play? Those were our QB team stats last year.

I can argue just the opposite, that North's horrible inability to get off coverage and get behind coverage (haha, North behind coverage...it cracked me up just typing it). Do you recall the Florida game when 6'4 225lb North beat 5'11 190 Hargreaves at the goaline for what proved to be the game-winning TD?? Yeah, me neither. I recall North killing it vs Arky State and UTC (3 of his 4 TD catches for the year) and pretty much disappearing the rest of the season.

Who caught all those passes & TDs?
 
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Who caught all those passes & TDs?

Who threw all those passes and TDs? Chicken or the egg....but if you're good with your stud 6'4 225lb WR catching 30 balls for 320 yds, 10.7 yds per catch and 4 tds (3 of which were vs ArkySt and UTC) then good on ya.
 
1. Pig was our leading receiver in 2013...followed by North, Neal, Croom, Johnson and Smith. Why exactly weren't any of them "serviceable" after a summer, fall camp and 10 games of the season? Kinda helps make my point about Azzani imo. You say Dobbs couldn't hit the broad side of a barn that game and I'm not gonna argue that he really good....but couldn't at least half the problem have been that his WRs couldn't get open vs Vandy's second string DBs and give him good targets to throw to?

2. Literally? All teams have nagging injuries to multiple position groups every year. Fact is, we had 1 WR who missed the majority of the season due to injury, Josh Smith. Pearson was injured early, but played in 11 of 13 games.... North was injured late, but he played in 10 games and was already having a disappointing season prior to his injury. Croom played all 12 reg season games and was injured during bowl practice. Malone played all 13 games, J Johnson 11 games. The WR position was supposed to be our deepest and most talented position....good, well-coached groups, in addition to having their best most talented players perform well and consistently, have other guys step up in the case of injury. I don't think either happened particularly much last year.

3. I agree that Pig wasn't a real big play or endzone threat, primarily because of his size. Problem was, neither were our 6'3-6'5 guys under Azzani.

4. By all accounts, especially Jayson Swain, the WRs were very disappointing throughout the Spring. If you listen to his show, he was constantly verbalizing his disappointment and frustration with how they were catching the ball most of the Spring. He was also less than impressed with their O&W game overall performance. Did you see the 1 on 1 competition vs the DBs?? The WRs didn't win a single rep....something like 0-8...eh, that's not good.

5. Haven't said Azzani is a "bad coach", but I will say I don't think he's shown that he's a "good coach" at all. Pig has improved, but North regressed imo last year. Honestly, what did Croom do? Nice TD catch vs Georgia, nice catch and run vs Kentucky.... what else? I recall everybody ripping him after the Oklahoma game. Pearson was having a bad Spring before his suspension, Malone by all accounts isn't showing much improvement at all, Wharton and Jenkins transferred, Johnson caught about 10 balls last year....what improvement?

As far as the OL, yeah, they were epicly bad last year....maybe our supremely talented group could've helped them and the QB out more by getting off coverage and getting much better separation than they did.

5. Gillespie didn't have a deep RB rotation of supremely talented athletes running all over the place like Azzani had. He had 1 outstanding freshman still learning and adjusting to the college game and a slow footed senior who won't get a sniff from the NFL. Azzani had/has at least 3, maybe 4 NFL prospects he's working with.

Bottom line, we just disagree. You think Azzani is a fine coach dealing with a rash of injuries who's made the best of his situation.....I don't.
I'm not a big CZA fan myself but to say that North regressed is a little disingenuous. North made some big catches, especially in the redzone before he got hurt and he was never healthy enough to really contribute after that. I don't think he regressed as much as he didn't really progress all that much (he was making those catches in his freshman season too) and I think a lot of that falls on CZA.
 
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