'15 GA WR Preston Williams (UT Signee 2/4/15)

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Go Fight Win said:
Coach Z is one of the hottest young names in college football and a very good coach
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There will always be fans complaining about someone on a coaching staff. Georgia fans are still complaining about Jancek and Martinez and how they destroyed UGA's program. Coach ZA will be praised as a super hero if the receivers have a really good season this year. Things happen physically and mentally to these 17 - 21 years old kids and they don't perform like we think they should. It would be impossible for them to perform as well as some of the super athletes on VN. Not aiming this at anyone in particular so don't slam me. JMO FWIW
 
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KBVol said:
You're clueless. What I'm suggesting is that the best collegiate head coaches in the country (Meyer, Saban, Fisher, Miles, Kelly, etc) evaluated Josh Malone, determined that Josh Malone was one of the most talented WRs in the country, and offered Josh Malone because they badly wanted Josh Malone in their program....and I'll take their opinions and the opinions of professional talent evaluators over the amateurish opinions of a couple of yahoos on a message board trying to explain away the underperformance of a certain WR position group and place blame ANYWHERE else besides where it actually belongs....on the position coach.

I don't expect you to understand this as all you've given is nondescript opinion and hearsay to this point rather any actual evidence to back up anything you've asserted. But of course, I'm sure North had a runny nose or something that explains the 3 catch, 15 yd performance early in the season vs Georgia....or actually, maybe he really isn't 6'4 with great hands and 4.4 speed....why, surely nobody properly evaluated him---he clearly isn't nearly as talented as everybody thought.....couldn't possibly be technique or attitude taught to him by his coach. Maybe Malone should just transfer to Austin Peay or somewhere like that. Is he really even a D1 prospect?? Cause, Coach Azzani once upon a time coached Antonio Brown in case you haven't heard....Coach Z is the best.
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Do you know how many 5-stars and high 4-stars bust every recruiting cycle? A lot of them. It doesn't matter who wanted them in their program. That's irrelevant. What matters is what they do when they step on campus--not what they did playing against 5'10", 160 lbs white boys who run 5.2 40s. Recruiting is an inexact science and there's always some guesswork involved with the exception of extremely rare high school talents like Reggie Bush, Clowney, Adrian Peterson, etc.

Of course, I'm not suggesting that Malone IS a bust. But to suggest that it's impossible for him to be a bust or not legitimate 5-star talent based on his recruiting offers and instead blame his underperformance solely on Coach Z is absolutely stupid. Which is par for the course for your arguments in this thread.

I also find it funny that you're crying about a lack of "evidence." What evidence do you have that Z sucks or is underperforming? None. We've provided you with plenty of evidence as to why the WRs had a lackluster season last year but you chalk that up to excuses instead. I guess it's easy to consider evidence as excuses when it doesn't fit your narrative.
 
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Aesius said:
Do you know how many 5-stars and high 4-stars bust every recruiting cycle? A lot of them. It doesn't matter who wanted them in their program. That's irrelevant. What matters is what they do when they step on campus--not what they did playing against 5'10", 160 lbs white boys who run 5.2 40s. Recruiting is an inexact science and there's always some guesswork involved with the exception of extremely rare high school talents like Reggie Bush, Clowney, Adrian Peterson, etc.

Of course, I'm not suggesting that Malone IS a bust. But to suggest that it's impossible for him to be a bust or not legitimate 5-star talent based on his recruiting offers and instead blame his underperformance solely on Coach Z is absolutely stupid. Which is par for the course for your arguments in this thread.

I also find it funny that you're crying about a lack of "evidence." What evidence do you have that Z sucks or is underperforming? None. We've provided you with plenty of evidence as to why the WRs had a lackluster season last year but you chalk that up to excuses instead. I guess it's easy to consider evidence as excuses when it doesn't fit your narrative.
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Whoa. what's wrong with 5'10 160 lbs white boys? Geez. :crazy:
 
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On Malone, physical talent is obvious to see when the ball is in his hands. His problem is the physical and mental part before the ball is in his hands. In open space it's on like donkey kong. He just unfortunately doesn't like to be touched in a battle for the ball.

On Preston, RockyTopInsider said in their weekly newsletter that he is ahead of schedule and coaches are optimistic that he will be ready for the season.
 
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Aesius said:
I remember there was one poster on here who kept reiterating that he watched Malone's entire career at Station Camp and insisted that he wasn't anything special, but everyone hammered him for saying it. He might have been onto something.
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It was Vol74.
 
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SeanJean said:
I didn't say he should be demoted to the intramural flag football team. I just said I think he was overrated as a recruit. He can still be a good college receiver. Just probably not a 5-star go to receiver, in my opinion. Coaches can still recruit a player even if he is overrated by recruiting services. It's not all or nothing. 5-star or scrub.
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Unfortunately, I agree with you. I'm far from a talent scout, but I just feel like Malone is missing something.
 
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Aesius said:
North's season essentially ended during the UTC game. He wasn't even close to being the same after that.

Also, it's unreasonable to expect him to put up numbers against OU and UF. Their pass rushes wiped away his ability to make catches downfield, which is what he does best.
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The OU game he ran over three dudes on a screen. Coaches did not feed him for some reason. I bet Debord will though.
 
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I think the biggest problem with our passing game last year was our OL. It doesn't matter what ZA told his WRs, most of the play calling were bubble screens and whenever he went down field our QBs were killed. The problem with Bajakian was that he did not throw in a lot of seems and slants. We did not attack the middle of the field much at all.
 
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Aesius said:
Do you know how many 5-stars and high 4-stars bust every recruiting cycle? A lot of them. It doesn't matter who wanted them in their program. That's irrelevant. What matters is what they do when they step on campus--not what they did playing against 5'10", 160 lbs white boys who run 5.2 40s. Recruiting is an inexact science and there's always some guesswork involved with the exception of extremely rare high school talents like Reggie Bush, Clowney, Adrian Peterson, etc.

Of course, I'm not suggesting that Malone IS a bust. But to suggest that it's impossible for him to be a bust or not legitimate 5-star talent based on his recruiting offers and instead blame his underperformance solely on Coach Z is absolutely stupid. Which is par for the course for your arguments in this thread.

I also find it funny that you're crying about a lack of "evidence." What evidence do you have that Z sucks or is underperforming? None. We've provided you with plenty of evidence as to why the WRs had a lackluster season last year but you chalk that up to excuses instead. I guess it's easy to consider evidence as excuses when it doesn't fit your narrative.
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Well here are my thoughts, first regarding highly recruited busts:
A player becomes a 5* and highly pursued by top head coaches because of undeniable physical talent. The highly rated guys that bust don't do so because they are poor athletes but because they fail at the mental aspect of the game or get injured. So in Malone's case, it is false to say he is an average athlete. That is the equivalent of me saying that 1+1= 5 or the sky is red. There is still much to be seen about the mental aspect of Malone's game, and thus we still have questions regarding him. Once he fixes that he will be good to go.

Issue 2, regarding last year's production for receivers- namely North:
I don't know what KB was watching but not only was it evident to me that North was never 100% last year (Got progressively worse too), but every team double teamed him. When you add that to the fact that we couldn't attempt vertical passes-- North's forte and where the majority of his yards came from his freshman year--because our Oline couldn't stop a stiff breeze, it becomes a wonder that he even got as much production as he did. When half our passing game was based on bubble screens and things of the like because of our atrocious Oline it becomes idiocy to use player stats to judge them. Now I'm not saying that im 100% sold on Azzani, but let's see how this seSon goes.
 
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MockingVol said:
Well here are my thoughts, first regarding highly recruited busts:
A player becomes a 5* and highly pursued by top head coaches because of undeniable physical talent. The highly rated guys that bust don't do so because they are poor athletes but because they fail at the mental aspect of the game or get injured. So in Malone's case, it is false to say he is an average athlete. That is the equivalent of me saying that 1+1= 5 or the sky is red. There is still much to be seen about the mental aspect of Malone's game, and thus we still have questions regarding him. Once he fixes that he will be good to go.

Issue 2, regarding last year's production for receivers- namely North:
I don't know what KB was watching but not only was it evident to me that North was never 100% last year (Got progressively worse too), but every team double teamed him. When you add that to the fact that we couldn't attempt vertical passes-- North's forte and where the majority of his yards came from his freshman year--because our Oline couldn't stop a stiff breeze, it becomes a wonder that he even got as much production as he did. When half our passing game was based on bubble screens and things of the like because of our atrocious Oline it becomes idiocy to use player stats to judge them. Now I'm not saying that im 100% sold on Azzani, but let's see how this seSon goes.
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Nope, Coach Z just sucks lol. Haven't you heard? :)
 
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It seems to me more than anything else coach ZA needs to figure out a way to limit injuries, which is a tall order. I realize injuries happen to every football team, but it seems like our receivers in particular are prone to injury and re-injury. Is it all just bad luck or are there proactive and preventative actions that could be applied? I don't know the answer to that question, but I think it's something they should take a long look at.
 
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Skullbone said:
It seems to me more than anything else coach ZA needs to figure out a way to limit injuries, which is a tall order. I realize injuries happen to every football team, but it seems like our receivers in particular are prone to injury and re-injury. Is it all just bad luck or are there proactive and preventative actions that could be applied? I don't know the answer to that question, but I think it's something they should take a long look at.
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Not really IMO. I'm not a fitness expert, but the injuries I typically view as 'preventable' are muscle pulls, hamstring injuries, that sort of thing - stuff that suggests a lack of attention to stretching and flexibility training. We seem to hear about very few of those though.

But North's injury against UTC... the only way to correct that is to have a QB who doesn't put his best WR up on a tee for somebody to break in half. Pearson's injury against Arky State was just a freak thing where somebody rolled up on his ankle, IIRC. So yeah, mostly just bad luck.
 
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KBVol said:
So, he was banged up game 1 vs Utah State (4 catches, 38 yds), game 4 vs Georgia (3 catches, 15 yds) and game 5 vs Florida (4 catches, 26 yds), all games played before UTC? He looked awfully healthy vs Alabama, game 8. It wasn't until game 9 vs SCar that questions started being asked about his health when he didn't have a catch and wasn't really targeted at all.

Again, this argument really isn't about North or any other particular WR. It's about how their performances reflects on the job that Azzani has done to date, which I don't believe is a very good one.
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Basically, and it's hard to say this without sounding like a jerk, you are just flat out wrong about North's injuries last year. I'm not sure how nicked up he was before UTC but the hit shown previously in this thread obviously created a significant injury because he didn't come back into that game and wasn't the same for the next couple of games. Maybe he was starting to get healthy for the bama game, where he got injured again and that pretty much ended his season.

So he basically had 5 games last season where he was relatively healthy and 3 of those were Ok, Ga and Fla. He didn't have much opportunity to show what he had last year.

This is not to say that I don't have any concerns about our receiving corps, just that I don't see how you can say that North regressed last year, considering his injuries and the horrible OL play before Dobbs.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
co-sign. folks seem to ignore how bad our QB situation has been the last 2 years. if North was on Alabama, he'd be a back to back 1000 yard receiver already.

there's a reason he's already being considered a 1st round pick in 2016 by some mock drafts.
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If he wasn't coached by Azzani yeah, maybe so.
 
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LaagerVol said:
Basically, and it's hard to say this without sounding like a jerk, you are just flat out wrong about North's injuries last year. I'm not sure how nicked up he was before UTC but the hit shown previously in this thread obviously created a significant injury because he didn't come back into that game and wasn't the same for the next couple of games. Maybe he was starting to get healthy for the bama game, where he got injured again and that pretty much ended his season.

So he basically had 5 games last season where he was relatively healthy and 3 of those were Ok, Ga and Fla. He didn't have much opportunity to show what he had last year.

This is not to say that I don't have any concerns about our receiving corps, just that I don't see how you can say that North regressed last year, considering his injuries and the horrible OL play before Dobbs.
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Was he injured before the Georgia game and the Florida game? Both were played before he took that hit vs UTC....he totaled 7 catches for 41 yds those 2 games. He was our #1 WR at that point in the season, no? How exactly am I wrong??
 
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