'15 FL QB/WR/DB (anything he wants) Torrance Gibson

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BigOrangeTrain said:
So let me get this straight. Because we got the commitment from Bruce, you would pass on one of the best offensive players in the country? So you think Bruce is on the same level as Gibson?

So I am curious, if we got a commitment from a lower ranked and less skilled DT, would you be wiling to pass on McKenzie?

Let's say Van Jefferson wanted to sign with us, would you be willing to pass on Preston Williams?
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I felt we would be taking 2 QBs. We have 2 committed. I figured we would be taking 2 WRs. We now have 2.

Yes, I would now pass on him. *'s and "ratings" don't mean much to me. I have always said that.

McKenzie is already onboard IMO and I don't believe he has any other visits set up. Bad example IMO. Once again your "lower ranked" mention tells me all I need to know.

Preston Williams is a UT commitment. Van Jefferson is not. Now that we have 2 WRs committed, I would not take Van Jefferson.

Pretty simple really.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I am beginning to think Tux is afraid of TG getting on campus and competing against QD and JJ.
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Why would fear that?

I don't believe he has the ability to play the QB position as Butch's offensive scheme requires.

We do not run the Auburn read option. Butch's system requires a QB who can stand tall in the pocket and wait for plays to develop and then make the throws downfield to the open WRs, not take off and run when you are unsure.
 
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Vols4us said:
This thread is all kinds of awkward and I hope TG never ventures into it. Tux trolling everybody is the worst. Making some of the most ridiculous statements a serious poster could make reveals that he is a trolling or looney tunes or both. To even pretend you know more than the guys getting the big checks that do it for a living know is just one example. FWIW Butch is quite capable of adjusting his scheme for virtually any style QB while making the WR's happy. Pro style,mobile, dual threat - it doesn't matter. But what cannot be replaced is an elite playmaker at the position.

For another example I guess Tux knows more than Urban and has the NC rings as head coach to prove it. Tux: Tebow. A barely adequate passer in college working from the spread. In the NC picture every year. UF has WRs all over the NFL from those years. Whether you like them or not, the WRs are in the NFL. Butch runs 4 wide far more that Urban ever has and the WRs know it.
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You and some others are not up to date on what Butch's offense is and how it differs from other versions of the spread. IN not know the difference between the version of the spread that Auburn runs compared to the one we run at UT is classic in not know what the responsibilities of the QBs and what we need from the position. They are entirely different as night and day are to one another.
 
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Tux said:
Why would fear that?

I don't believe he has the ability to play the QB position as Butch's offensive scheme requires.

We do not run the Auburn read option. Butch's system requires a QB who can stand tall in the pocket and wait for plays to develop and then make the throws downfield to the open WRs, not take off and run when you are unsure.
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You don't think our offense would be best with a QB that can make all the throws, and be an absolute weapon when we run the read option? Not saying TG can make all the throws now, buts he's got the arm and I believe the coaches can develop him.
 
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roosterjbh said:
You don't think our offense would be best with a QB that can make all the throws, and be an absolute weapon when we run the read option? Not saying TG can make all the throws now, buts he's got the arm and I believe the coaches can develop him.
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We do not run the read option.
 
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My reasoning on this is simple at least for me. I'll take an athletic DT type QB in Jennings along with the better pocket passing Dormady as our 2015 QBs. I would do that as it then sets us up with a better shot at a 2016 top QB. We look to be sitting pretty well with several early on. I would use the spot some want to take a "3rd QB in 2015" with either an OL/DL/LB kid.
 
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Tux said:
Why would fear that?

I don't believe he has the ability to play the QB position as Butch's offensive scheme requires.

We do not run the Auburn read option. Butch's system requires a QB who can stand tall in the pocket and wait for plays to develop and then make the throws downfield to the open WRs, not take off and run when you are unsure.
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If you don't fear it then whats wrong with getting him on campus and letting him compete at QB? If he doesn't have the skills then he could be moved to WR like you have always said. Then we would have another stud WR.

If he comes in, competes and beats out QD and JJ, then JJ may move to WR or DB. Then we would have a stud WR or DB. A win.

In either scenario, how is it a lose situation? If QD leaves because he thinks there will be competition at QB then we don't need him anyway. I personally don't think he would leave because of that.

Oh and BTW you might want to watch TG's film again and examine his downfield throws. They are better than JJ and just as good as QD's.
 
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Auburn and Tennessee's spread offenses are night and day different.

Our offense is predicated on spreading the defense with 3, 4, and 5 WR sets.

Auburns is predicated on spreading the defense out of tight formations and bunch sets and using a blocking H Back, counter plays, double team blocks, pulling guards,and counter plays in creating angles and seams for his QB and running back. Quite often the plays are preset plays designed for the QB to keep, which we do not do.

Most teams using the zone read, Tennessee included, have their quarterback reads the defensive end away from the playside and if the defensive end comes down back down the line of scrimmage, he will keep the football. In Auburn's inverted veer, the read is to the playside and both the quarterback and running back run the option off the playside defensive end. The running back's path is to run to the outside as if running a sweep or taking an option pitch. Auburn will also pull a guard who will take a playside linebacker and the H back will line up to the playside and take out an outside defender for the running back.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
If you don't fear it then whats wrong with getting him on campus and letting him compete at QB? If he doesn't have the skills then he could be moved to WR like you have always said. Then we would have another stud WR.

If he comes in, competes and beats out QD and JJ, then JJ may move to WR or DB. Then we would have a stud WR or DB. A win.

In either scenario, how is it a lose situation? If QD leaves because he thinks there will be competition at QB then we don't need him anyway. I personally don't think he would leave because of that.

Oh and BTW you might want to watch TG's film again and examine his downfield throws. They are better than JJ and just as good as QD's.
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I have no problem with him coming to UT, but I do not believe that he has the skills or the patience to properly and effectively operate our passing offense.

I have watched his film an I am unimpressed with his mechanics and ability to make certain throw that our QB must be able to make. You rarely see him setting hop in the pocket, planting, and rotating through the ball. Most of his throws are deep lobs.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
If you don't fear it then whats wrong with getting him on campus and letting him compete at QB? If he doesn't have the skills then he could be moved to WR like you have always said. Then we would have another stud WR.

If he comes in, competes and beats out QD and JJ, then JJ may move to WR or DB. Then we would have a stud WR or DB. A win.

In either scenario, how is it a lose situation? If QD leaves because he thinks there will be competition at QB then we don't need him anyway. I personally don't think he would leave because of that.

Oh and BTW you might want to watch TG's film again and examine his downfield throws. They are better than JJ and just as good as QD's.
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Exactly. All the experts say he can make every throw. He needs work on being more consistent just like every other hs qb. He throws its just as well as Dormady and with way more athleticism and just as much size.
 
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Tux said:
I have no problem with him coming to UT, but I do not believe that he has the skills or the patience to properly and effectively operate our passing offense.
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Its funny that all the people paid to judge such things do. A lot has changed since you were "recruited" 50 years ago.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I'm not the one thinking up make believe "Gibson career similar to Tebow" talk. That's on you my man. I'll leave you to explain the "facts". :eek:lol:
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Yeah I guess nobody thought a small 6', 3* QB from Texas could break Newton and Tebows records either. Feel free to continue to deflect. I think you're beginning to realize the absurdity in your statements.

I never said he could have a similar career to Tebow. You said its silly to think that he could. All I asked for is why you think its silly to think he could.
 
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Tux said:
I have no problem with him coming to UT, but I do not believe that he has the skills or the patience to properly and effectively operate our passing offense.

I have watched his film an I am unimpressed with his mechanics and ability to make certain throw that our QB must be able to make. You rarely see him setting hop in the pocket, planting, and rotating through the ball. Most of his throws are deep lobs.
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So you have no problem with him coming here and competing at QB then?
 
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Tux said:
Auburn and Tennessee's spread offenses are night and day different.

Our offense is predicated on spreading the defense with 3, 4, and 5 WR sets.

Auburns is predicated on spreading the defense out of tight formations and bunch sets and using a blocking H Back, counter plays, double team blocks, pulling guards,and counter plays in creating angles and seams for his QB and running back. Quite often the plays are preset plays designed for the QB to keep, which we do not do.

Most teams using the zone read, Tennessee included, have their quarterback reads the defensive end away from the playside and if the defensive end comes down back down the line of scrimmage, he will keep the football. In Auburn's inverted veer, the read is to the playside and both the quarterback and running back run the option off the playside defensive end. The running back's path is to run to the outside as if running a sweep or taking an option pitch. Auburn will also pull a guard who will take a playside linebacker and the H back will line up to the playside and take out an outside defender for the running back.
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This is the exact same thing as the read option. Please, google this or something.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Yeah I guess nobody thought a small 6', 3* QB from Texas could have a better career than Tebow either. Feel free to continue to deflect. I think you're beginning to realize the absurdity in your statements.

I never said he could have a similar career to Tebow. You said its silly to think that he could. All I asked for is why you think its silly to think he could.
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I see Jennings as a very similar QB at this stage as Gibson. At least Jennings is showing the desire to try and develop his QB abilities. Especially recently at UTs camp.

Gibson is supposed to be at the Opening to compete. We'll see how that plays out. I'll admit I get the feeling it will end up like his plans to compete at the elite 11 in Orlando and his plans to compete at UTs camp. It will be a nit awkward if he shows up to The Opening a couple days late.
 
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Tux said:
Auburn and Tennessee's spread offenses are night and day different.

Our offense is predicated on spreading the defense with 3, 4, and 5 WR sets.

Auburns is predicated on spreading the defense out of tight formations and bunch sets and using a blocking H Back, counter plays, double team blocks, pulling guards,and counter plays in creating angles and seams for his QB and running back. Quite often the plays are preset plays designed for the QB to keep, which we do not do.

Most teams using the zone read, Tennessee included, have their quarterback reads the defensive end away from the playside and if the defensive end comes down back down the line of scrimmage, he will keep the football. In Auburn's inverted veer, the read is to the playside and both the quarterback and running back run the option off the playside defensive end. The running back's path is to run to the outside as if running a sweep or taking an option pitch. Auburn will also pull a guard who will take a playside linebacker and the H back will line up to the playside and take out an outside defender for the running back.
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Tux said:
We do not run the read option.
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Tux said:
the zone read, Tennessee included, have their quarterback reads the defensive end away from the playside and if the defensive end comes down back down the line of scrimmage, he will keep the football
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I just hope this will show you they are the same thing, and Tennessee most certainly runs this.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TivThIpncWo[/youtube]
 
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