'15 FL QB/WR/DB (anything he wants) Torrance Gibson

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NashVOL93 said:
He throws a nice long ball. Can really put it on a rope. Just has absolutely zero touch on short passes, or at least he did last year.
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Ok, so answer this:

Is it easier to teach short route passing or the deep pass?

I think short ones are easier to improve upon, but that is jmo.
 
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jpiburn said:
Butch to Urban and Gus

"I'll take your recruits and your recruits..."


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awesome gif. HILARIOUS!!!!
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
Ok, so answer this:

Is it easier to teach short route passing or the deep pass?

I think short ones are easier to improve upon, but that is jmo.
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Honestly, the short ones and the deep ones are the easiest. Not saying deep ones aren't the easiest to complete, but throwing the ball down the sideline in 1 on 1 coverage is not super complex. But you do have to have the arm for it.

The thing that's most important, IMO, is the intermediate passing game. Fitting the ball in tight windows 10-20 yards downfield. Seeing the soft spot in the zone and firing it right in there before the speedy secondary has a chance to close it off.

Those are the throws I'm looking at for judging a qb's accuracy. Not the short check downs or laying a ball up down the field to let his receiver run under it. Although those passes are not easy throws either.
 
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jpiburn said:
Butch to Urban and Gus

"I'll take your recruits and your recruits..."


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That is a great gif, but Gabe Wright, Carl Lawson, and Devonte Lambert, Marquel Harrell,that is all. Haha, j/k but I think Nick Marshall has to win the Heisman for us to be a serious contender. We have a 4 star backing up Marshall now, we signed the Elite 11 MVP and Under Armour All Star Game MVP in February, and have a 4 star already committed this year. I would absolutely love Gibson, but I think he might see the field quicker at UT and that just may win out
 
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B-sideVol18 said:
Honestly, the short ones and the deep ones are the easiest. Not saying deep ones aren't the easiest to complete, but throwing the ball down the sideline in 1 on 1 coverage is not super complex. But you do have to have the arm for it.

The thing that's most important, IMO, is the intermediate passing game. Fitting the ball in tight windows 10-20 yards downfield. Seeing the soft spot in the zone and firing it right in there before the speedy secondary has a chance to close it off.

Those are the throws I'm looking at for judging a qb's accuracy. Not the short check downs or laying a ball up down the field to let his receiver run under it. Although those passes are not easy throws either.
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Intermediate passing accuracy is critical for success in the NFL, but an athletic QB in a spread offense can succeed just fine without that ability in college. Compare, for example, the following single-season passing stats from some run-first college QBs with terrible passing accuracy against the best single-season college passing stats from established NFL-caliber pocket QBs:

Run-first spread QBs:

- Vincy Young (2005): 65.2%, 3036 yds (9.3 yds/att), 26 tds / 10 ints, 163.9 rating
- Tim Tebow (2007): 66.9%, 3286 yds (10.4 yds/att), 32 tds / 6 ints, 172.5 rating
- Darren Thomas (2011): 62.2%, 2761 yds (9.2 yds/att), 33 tds / 7 ints, 158.7 rating

NFL-caliber pocket QBs:
- Matt Ryan (2007): 59.3%, 4507 yds (6.9 yds/att), 31 tds / 19 ints, 127 rating
- Andrew Luck (2011): 71.3%, 3517 yds (8.7 yds/att), 37 tds, 10 ints, 169.7 rating
- Nick Foles (2011): 69.1%, 4334 yds (7.7 yds/att), 28 tds / 14 ints, 145.6 rating

Notice the higher yards-per-attempt average and TD/Int ratio of the run-first QBs. I didn't even include Cam Newton or Johnny Manziel's videogame-like stats in this comparison because they may actually be good NFL passers, but you get the idea. Intermediate throwing accuracy isn't as important in college as it is in the NFL, so, even if Gibson does have accuracy issues, I wouldn't care and would still want him more than Gentry or any of the other QBs available.
 
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OrangeHammer said:
Good news pertaining to his fiance's situation with Tennessee is good news pertaining to the recruitment of the best receiver in the country. Tell me where I wrong here, please.
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How'd our topic go to Preston Williams?...you hopping threads...or meth? :crazy:
 
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AUfaninVOLcountry said:
That is a great gif, but Gabe Wright, Carl Lawson, and Devonte Lambert, Marquel Harrell,that is all. Haha, j/k but I think Nick Marshall has to win the Heisman for us to be a serious contender. We have a 4 star backing up Marshall now, we signed the Elite 11 MVP and Under Armour All Star Game MVP in February, and have a 4 star already committed this year. I would absolutely love Gibson, but I think he might see the field quicker at UT and that just may win out
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I was going to say nobody cares but I guess it was already apparent.
 
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AboveAllNations said:
Intermediate passing accuracy is critical for success in the NFL, but an athletic QB in a spread offense can succeed just fine without that ability in college. Compare, for example, the following single-season passing stats from some run-first college QBs with terrible passing accuracy against the best single-season college passing stats from established NFL-caliber pocket QBs:

Run-first spread QBs:

- Vincy Young (2005): 65.2%, 3036 yds (9.3 yds/att), 26 tds / 10 ints, 163.9 rating
- Tim Tebow (2007): 66.9%, 3286 yds (10.4 yds/att), 32 tds / 6 ints, 172.5 rating
- Darren Thomas (2011): 62.2%, 2761 yds (9.2 yds/att), 33 tds / 7 ints, 158.7 rating

NFL-caliber pocket QBs:
- Matt Ryan (2007): 59.3%, 4507 yds (6.9 yds/att), 31 tds / 19 ints, 127 rating
- Andrew Luck (2011): 71.3%, 3517 yds (8.7 yds/att), 37 tds, 10 ints, 169.7 rating
- Nick Foles (2011): 69.1%, 4334 yds (7.7 yds/att), 28 tds / 14 ints, 145.6 rating

Notice the higher yards-per-attempt average and TD/Int ratio of the run-first QBs. I didn't even include Cam Newton or Johnny Manziel's videogame-like stats in this comparison because they may actually be good NFL passers, but you get the idea. Intermediate throwing accuracy isn't as important in college as it is in the NFL, so, even if Gibson does have accuracy issues, I wouldn't care and would still want him more than Gentry or any of the other QBs available.
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I agree with totally. But you are seeing more and more DT QB's in the NFL every year because DE's and DT's are more and more athletic. You also have to recognize that more NFL offenses are adding element of the spread to counter act the more athletic lineman.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
IF Gentry commits, I'd kind of expect less and less posting in this thread. 3 QBs in this class? I don't think so.
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Probably not but Gibson still has as good a chance if not better of starting at UT than anywhere else he is considering. If Gentry commits and both sign here, Gibson still has a chance to beat him out, our depth at QB hasn't been anything impressive to this point.
 
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Would we take two more QB's if Gentry and Gibson wanted to be Vols?

I think they would take two if Gentry and Gibson both wanted to come, but I don't see both going to the same school.
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Pretty much what I, and many others, have been saying. They'll take both but it's likely that after one commits the other will want to go elsewhere.
 
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Have they said when they are commiting?

It also begs the question, if Gentry commits before Gibson and then Gibson wants to be a Vol, but they know the other will walk away if they do not choose them, which do they choose?
 
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