'15 F KY Raymond Spaulding

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bleedingTNorange said:
I guess it depends on your definition of answer, I think the jury was out, and like I said in another thread we won't know if it was the right move for 3-4 years possibly.

If Zo brings Cal to the dance the next 3 straight years and adds a sweet 16 clearly he "could've" been the answer, but hopefully our resume will trump that.
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It depends more on how he is recruiting and the program he is building....he is following a good coach in Montgomery.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It depends more on how he is recruiting and the program he is building....he is following a good coach in Montgomery.
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NCAAT 4/6 years never past the Round of 32 would classify a good coach by you?

So then in my hypothetical of if Zo brings Cal to the dance the next 3 straight years and adds a sweet 16 he "could've" been the answer?
 
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drewtigeralum said:
It's funny. I haven't mentioned anything about the last coach in this thread, and yet, here you go again, whipping that dead horse. Martin went toe to toe with Duke and U.F. for Hubbs and won. I'll be happy if DT can pull that off, but as of now, I would say Punter was probably the only guy he has brought in with an option better than U.T. I know it's exciting to bring new guys in, but DT is picking the bones right now. Granted he is doing a pretty good job at picking them at the moment, but let me know when he lands a 5* recruit with all of his effort.
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First let me say nowhere is as good of an option as Tennessee. IMO :) But surely Mostella had, from a subjective pov) better options than Tennessee didn't he?

Or was his clearinghouse issue causing teams to not pursue?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
But why do people feel the need, why can't everyone just move on? Every new offer out to a recruit doesn't need to be followed with the "OMG why didn't Zo recruit this guy, he was so lazy" comment.

Just move on, and talk about Tyndall.

Jmo
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I agree. I was guilty of that too for awhile. I see no need to bring Bruce or Cuonzo up unless it's a thread for that purpose
 
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Lefteye said:
First let me say nowhere is as good of an option as Tennessee. IMO :) But surely Mostella had, from a subjective pov) better options than Tennessee didn't he?

Or was his clearinghouse issue causing teams to not pursue?
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From my understanding Mostella was running out of options and the red flags concerning his eligibility even after a year of prep school turned bigger schools off. U.T. tossed him a life line and he grabbed on. I wouldn't count this chicken until he is cleared, on campus, and attending classes.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
From my understanding Mostella was running out of options and the red flags concerning his eligibility even after a year of prep school turned bigger schools off. U.T. tossed him a life line and he grabbed on. I wouldn't count this chicken until he is cleared, on campus, and attending classes.
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Absolutely, and that's what I've tried to tell people, but many don't wanna hear it. There's a reason other schools weren't pursuing him, and why Pitt had given up on him ever getting to campus. I completely get the coaching staff feels optimistic, but when dealing with the NCAA clearinghouse you just never know.

Without Mostella this 2014 class is not nearly as impressive, and would get around a C grade IMO.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
No problem. Could you also instruct people to stop kicking the corpse?
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This is VolNation...so HELL NO we'll beat and kick it all we damn well please!!!!

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Hell son we'll drop pianos on corpses too if we gotta around here!

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That would be "Zombie Kill of the Week" right there.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Absolutely, and that's what I've tried to tell people, but many don't wanna hear it. There's a reason other schools weren't pursuing him, and why Pitt had given up on him ever getting to campus. I completely get the coaching staff feels optimistic, but when dealing with the NCAA clearinghouse you just never know.

Without Mostella this 2014 class is not nearly as impressive, and would get around a C grade IMO.
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CDT is a smart man. Obviously, he feels good about Mostella or else he wouldn't have taken the chance. But whether he's cleared or not, he knew this fan base needed a splash like this to increase morale and help the fan base but into him and his staff early on.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
It's funny. I haven't mentioned anything about the last coach in this thread, and yet, here you go again, whipping that dead horse. Martin went toe to toe with Duke and U.F. for Hubbs and won. I'll be happy if DT can pull that off, but as of now, I would say Punter was probably the only guy he has brought in with an option better than U.T. I know it's exciting to bring new guys in, but DT is picking the bones right now. Granted he is doing a pretty good job at picking them at the moment, but let me know when he lands a 5* recruit with all of his effort.
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I was simply stating that the defeatist attitude with recruiting is a thing of the past now. Tyndall appears to be going after guys who may be tough to get. I acknowledge that Zo did a fine job landing Hubbs. But Hubbs has stated that Tennessee is his dream school and he is a home state kid. The problem wasn't with going after guys who were already high on UT, the problem was the lack of effort at going after guys who didn't have ties here or who have tough home state competition.

Your initial post suggested that we might as well not even try with the guy because he has offers from Indiana and interest from Louisville. That's the way of the prior staff and apparently not this one.
 
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jknox33 said:
CDT is a smart man. Obviously, he feels good about Mostella or else he wouldn't have taken the chance. But whether he's cleared or not, he knew this fan base needed a splash like this to increase morale and help the fan base but into him and his staff early on.
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I don't think there was much risk, when you've got open scholarships like we do there's really no risk and all reward.

A school that only had 1 or 2 spots and had a couple holes to fill it would be a risk for, because you're taking a chance on this guy when you've got other holes to fill and not enough room.

With Tennessee though I think it was a no brainer.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I don't think there was much risk, when you've got open scholarships like we do there's really no risk and all reward.

A school that only had 1 or 2 spots and had a couple holes to fill it would be a risk for, because you're taking a chance on this guy when you've got other holes to fill and not enough room.

With Tennessee though I think it was a no brainer.
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Agree about the risk part. It's all reward from both a clearance standpoint and giving the fans hope in CDT's recruiting abilities.
 
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jknox33 said:
Agree about the risk part. It's all reward from both a clearance standpoint and giving the fans hope in CDT's recruiting abilities.
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It's what's causing me to at least hesitate maybe a little more than others on automatically assuming this guy is about to go Butch Jones on the recruiting trail.

Take out Mostella and the best school he beat out for a recruit was Missouri, and that was for a JUCO who had a connection to our staff.

Even Owens the best school we would beat out is Seton Hall, not exactly a powerhouse.

The bigger name guys who are getting interest from bigger schools we aren't even really getting looks from. Robert Carter is leaning towards St. John's, South Carolina and Auburn? Shelton Mitchell is leaning towards Vanderbilt and Missouri who has a brand new coach from a D2 school. We have a wide open spot at PG and can't even convince that guy to visit.

I'm not saying he's done a bad job, I think he's done well and taken some guys that will be ready to play immediately, but like I said I'm a bit more reserved than some are.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It's what's causing me to at least hesitate maybe a little more than others on automatically assuming this guy is about to go Butch Jones on the recruiting trail.

Take out Mostella and the best school he beat out for a recruit was Missouri, and that was for a JUCO who had a connection to our staff.

Even Owens the best school we would beat out is Seton Hall, not exactly a powerhouse.

The bigger name guys who are getting interest from bigger schools we aren't even really getting looks from. Robert Carter is leaning towards St. John's, South Carolina and Auburn? Shelton Mitchell is leaning towards Vanderbilt and Missouri who has a brand new coach from a D2 school. We have a wide open spot at PG and can't even convince that guy to visit.

I'm not saying he's done a bad job, I think he's done well and taken some guys that will be ready to play immediately, but like I said I'm a bit more reserved than some are.
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Maybe this should be in a different thread, but this is how I would evaluate the recruiting class right now.

Senior Transfers:

Ian Chiles: Transfer from I.U.P.U.I. who will be asked to play a completely different role at U.T. than he did at his 2 years at I.U.P.U.I. He is supposedly going to transition from a kid who takes between 10-20 shots a game with a .9 assist to turnover ratio to a pass first point guard that facilitates the offense. It's only a one year commitment so there is no real risk.

B-

Eric McKnight: Transfer from F.G.C.U. who will be asked to be the starting center for an S.E.C. team. U.T. will be McKnight's third college team, and he comes with some serious baggage in terms of drug suspensions (2). He was not going to be a part of F.G.C.U. next season because of his issues. He didn't play big minutes at F.G.C.U. last year, but will need to play 30+ for the Vols. Again, not a huge risk because it's only a one year commitment.

C

JuCo:

Kevin Punter: JuCo A.A. 3* and an excellent grab for Tyndall late in the recruiting game. However, this is tempered somewhat by the fact that he had to flip Punter from a coachless Missouri team, and that Missouri was Punter's only other high major offer. He will come off the bench behind Hubbs and Richardson. Low risk but probably low reward because he is only a 2 year player.

B-

Devon Baulkman: A space filler for Tyndall, which I don't begrudge him at this point. He was committed to USM before following Tyndall to Knoxville. USM was his best offer until U.T. offered. He can potentially provide depth at the wing off a suddenly crowded 2-3 spot.

D

Prep School:

Jabari McGhee: U.T. had to go up against other S.E.C. schools (sort of) to land McGhee. He made an unofficial visit to Auburn in September before the coaching change and an official visit to Ole Miss. It is helpful that the coach that was recruiting him to Ole Miss ended up at U.T. 24/7 seems to think that it was between F.G.C.U. and U.T. McGhee is a 4 year commitment, and will probably be forced into action this season off the Vols bench.

B-

Detrick Mostella: Mostella is obviously the gem of this recruiting class, but he comes with some big red flags. I was trying to remember where I had heard his name before, and now I remember. He played at LaLumiere in Indiana his senior year. LaLu is basically a basketball finishing school, and a place that players struggling to make grades head for their senior year. He signed with Ok St. but didn't qualify out of high school, so he headed to prep school. Out of prep school he was initially thought to honor his Ok St. commitment, but that fell through when he committed to Pittsburg, but that fell through when Pitt pretty much threw in the towel on getting him qualified. Mostella most likely headed JuCo until U.T. threw him a line. If U.T. can get him qualified he is an excellent pick up, if they can't, it doesn't really hurt that much.

A - if qualified

High School

Willie Carmichael: Probably the best player out of Tyndall's USM recruiting class. Carmichael is a 3* player out of Florida. After he decommited from USM, U.T. was pretty much his only option. Probably not ready to play as a freshman, but will be needed.

C
 
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drewtigeralum said:
Fair enough, so is it still ok to say the old coach isn't as bad as some are making him out to be, or is bashing the only type of discussion allowed?
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I just popped in on the is discussion. I am not on anybody's side or wanting to bash anyone. I thought CCM did some good things, but it did appear that he quit giving it all he had through part of last season. He worked on character, and that's nothing to be anything but glad about. However, when I turn on the tv to watch my team, I would like to see some things that didn't happen for a good part of the year. Sorry if that makes me anti-CCM.

Say what you want, but especially in Volnation/Basketball, it doesn't appear that anybody can say much of anything without getting called on the carpet. I guess we all might as well get used to it or move on to a different forum.
 
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@SteveJones_CJ: Trinity 2015 PF Raymond Spalding received an offer from Louisville during his visit today.


Gotta think this ones over
 
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VolArmy74 said:
No effort at recruiting was the old way of doing things here. Now we appear to have someone who will put in effort and go toe to toe with any school in the country.
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It appears that D.T. handed out an offer, but, as I suspected, wasn't going "toe to toe" for a player that is all ready down to Louisville and Indiana.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
It appears that D.T. handed out an offer, but, as I suspected, wasn't going "toe to toe" for a player that is all ready down to Louisville and Indiana.
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I would wait before claiming that until u see who we sign....I know this is about Spaulding but u seem to make this claim about every really good player we offer.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I would wait before claiming that until u see who we sign....I know this is about Spaulding but u seem to make this claim about every really good player we offer.
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Interesting, I don't recall doing that. Oh, wait, I did that with Swanigan. Tell you what, if Tennessee signs Caleb Swanigan I will commit message board suicide, and never be heard from again. He's a Michigan State lock, and has been for some time.
 
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