'14 TX DE Dimarya Mixon (UT commit 11/9/13)

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Coastypop said:
we will sign 30 in Feb
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Except that is against SEC rules. We can only take 25 LOIs from that Wednesday for 2 months.

The only places you will see these EEs on the 2014 recruiting list is on a service like Scout, Rivals, 247, etc. The school will claim recruiting victories, but it is, in no way, official.
 
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Welcome aboard Dimarya!!!!!!!!!

GBO!!!!!!!!!

Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!

:pepper::pepper::pepper::pepper::pepper:​
 
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TennCup said:
Except that is against SEC rules. We can only take 25 LOIs from that Wednesday for 2 months.

The only places you will see these EEs on the 2014 recruiting list is on a service like Scout, Rivals, 247, etc. The school will claim recruiting victories, but it is, in no way, official.
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Don't know how long you been .... you don't have many posts so I will not be harsh, but we can back count or EE so we can sign a total of 30. for 2014 .... not all of course in Feb
 
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TennCup said:
Except that is against SEC rules. We can only take 25 LOIs from that Wednesday for 2 months.

The only places you will see these EEs on the 2014 recruiting list is on a service like Scout, Rivals, 247, etc. The school will claim recruiting victories, but it is, in no way, official.
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Butch stated we are taking 30...so maybe he is wrong.
 
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Coastypop said:
Don't know how long you been .... you don't have many posts so I will not be harsh, but we can back count or EE so we can sign a total of 30. for 2014 .... not all of course in Feb
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Cool as the other side of the pillow....
 
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millst987 said:
Butch stated we are taking 30...so maybe he is wrong.
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What I am talking about is not how many total (I think it will be at least 30. Maybe more.), but how many EEs and how many on the first Wednesday. We can sign only 25 of those 30 or however many in February. At least 5 of those guys have to be EEs. Agreed?

The original discussion, and I'm sorry for my part in its corruption, was about the newest commit, Mixon. Since he graduated HS last year, and because he was released by Nebraska (not sure that was even necessary), he is like, say, Brent Brewer when he came in. He took a visit, but he didn't take a place in a recruiting class, he just showed up on the roster. Kelly Washington, too. JMO. I have thought a lot about it.

I have posted on VolChat since 1994, and never tried anywhere else, but there is so much on the net now, I thought I'd see how reasonable you guys can be. I am impressed. Thanks for not dogging me too hard. :)
 
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TennCup said:
What I am talking about is not how many total (I think it will be at least 30. Maybe more.), but how many EEs and how many on the first Wednesday. We can sign only 25 of those 30 or however many in February. At least 5 of those guys have to be EEs. Agreed?

The original discussion, and I'm sorry for my part in its corruption, was about the newest commit, Mixon. Since he graduated HS last year, and because he was released by Nebraska (not sure that was even necessary), he is like, say, Brent Brewer when he came in. He took a visit, but he didn't take a place in a recruiting class, he just showed up on the roster. Kelly Washington, too. JMO. I have thought a lot about it.

I have posted on VolChat since 1994, and never tried anywhere else, but there is so much on the net now, I thought I'd see how reasonable you guys can be. I am impressed. Thanks for not dogging me too hard. :)
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The kid isn't a transfer so he must be an initial qualifier.
 
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TennCup said:
What I am talking about is not how many total (I think it will be at least 30. Maybe more.), but how many EEs and how many on the first Wednesday. We can sign only 25 of those 30 or however many in February. At least 5 of those guys have to be EEs. Agreed?

The original discussion, and I'm sorry for my part in its corruption, was about the newest commit, Mixon. Since he graduated HS last year, and because he was released by Nebraska (not sure that was even necessary), he is like, say, Brent Brewer when he came in. He took a visit, but he didn't take a place in a recruiting class, he just showed up on the roster. Kelly Washington, too. JMO. I have thought a lot about it.

I have posted on VolChat since 1994, and never tried anywhere else, but there is so much on the net now, I thought I'd see how reasonable you guys can be. I am impressed. Thanks for not dogging me too hard. :)
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I believe Brewer's MLB team pays for his college.
 
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TennCup said:
Really? You owe us more than that, surely.

I think he is treated like a transfer except he loses no time off the field. He goes against the 85. That is all.

I wonder if we will ever know?
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Mixon's status is essentially no different than that of any other early enrollee out of high school. He has to be an initial counter in either '13 or '14, and there's no way around that.
 
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kamoshika said:
Mixon's status is essentially no different than that of any other early enrollee out of high school. He has to be an initial counter in either '13 or '14, and there's no way around that.
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Agree. I have been saying he doesn't HAVE to count against the 2014 group of 25. I found this on Mr SEC. It's pretty complicated.

Over the past month, we’ve had a few folks ask us about our SEC Commitment Comparators. “How do some SEC teams have more than 25 commitments when there’s a 25-man cap on signees?” Well, since the day the SEC implemented its new cap on football signees we at MrSEC.com have referred to it as a “soft” cap. That’s because it’s not quite the hard and fast rule the league made it out to be.

When league presidents voted in the new regulation in 2011 — ignoring a unanimous “don’t do it” vote from their own football coaches — they did not snuff out the practice of back-counting early enrollees. And back-counting allows schools to count this year’s signees against the previous year’s class.

The NCAA allows each school to provide 85 scholarships to football players. Each school can award 25 new scholarships per year. There’s obviously some natural attrition built into that formula because 25 scholarships over four years would equal 100 scholarships total.

For the sake of example let’s take School X and assume their program has 85 scholarship players at the end of a season. Now let’s say that 20 players exhaust their eligibility or leave after graduating. School X would then have 65 players on scholarship heading into signing day. But in January, School X loses five juniors who depart early for the NFL. That drops the school’s number of total returning scholarship players to 60.

To max out at the NCAA-mandated 85 scholarships, School X should only be able to sign 25 new athletes on signing day, which is the supposed max anyway. But. If School X signed just 20 players the previous year it can still back-count five of this year’s signees against last year’s tally if those extra signees enroll early. (On the positive side, this does reward student-athletes who have the grades to graduate high school/prep school/junior college early and enroll at School X at mid-year.)

So, let’s say School X signs 30 players this February instead of the 25 allowed by the SEC’s “soft” cap. Five of those players — if they enroll early — can be counted toward the 2012 number instead of the 2013 number.


That’s back-counting. And that’s how some SEC schools have more than 25 committed players heading into signing day. If you’re wondering how School X could get from 90 scholarships back down to the 85 allowed by the NCAA, there are a whole lot of ways to run folks off. “Son, you’re not going to get any playing time here,” is a big one. The idea that that doesn’t go on and doesn’t lead to transfers is ridiculous. If you pay attention, you’ll also note that schools often announce in December and January — before signing day — that certain players won’t return due to academic issues, disciplinary issues and the like. Those departures clear space on the roster and free up scholarships.
 
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TennCup said:
Agree. I have been saying he doesn't HAVE to count against the 2014 group of 25. I found this on Mr SEC. It's pretty complicated.

Over the past month, we’ve had a few folks ask us about our SEC Commitment Comparators. “How do some SEC teams have more than 25 commitments when there’s a 25-man cap on signees?” Well, since the day the SEC implemented its new cap on football signees we at MrSEC.com have referred to it as a “soft” cap. That’s because it’s not quite the hard and fast rule the league made it out to be.

When league presidents voted in the new regulation in 2011 — ignoring a unanimous “don’t do it” vote from their own football coaches — they did not snuff out the practice of back-counting early enrollees. And back-counting allows schools to count this year’s signees against the previous year’s class.

The NCAA allows each school to provide 85 scholarships to football players. Each school can award 25 new scholarships per year. There’s obviously some natural attrition built into that formula because 25 scholarships over four years would equal 100 scholarships total.

For the sake of example let’s take School X and assume their program has 85 scholarship players at the end of a season. Now let’s say that 20 players exhaust their eligibility or leave after graduating. School X would then have 65 players on scholarship heading into signing day. But in January, School X loses five juniors who depart early for the NFL. That drops the school’s number of total returning scholarship players to 60.

To max out at the NCAA-mandated 85 scholarships, School X should only be able to sign 25 new athletes on signing day, which is the supposed max anyway. But. If School X signed just 20 players the previous year it can still back-count five of this year’s signees against last year’s tally if those extra signees enroll early. (On the positive side, this does reward student-athletes who have the grades to graduate high school/prep school/junior college early and enroll at School X at mid-year.)

So, let’s say School X signs 30 players this February instead of the 25 allowed by the SEC’s “soft” cap. Five of those players — if they enroll early — can be counted toward the 2012 number instead of the 2013 number.


That’s back-counting. And that’s how some SEC schools have more than 25 committed players heading into signing day. If you’re wondering how School X could get from 90 scholarships back down to the 85 allowed by the NCAA, there are a whole lot of ways to run folks off. “Son, you’re not going to get any playing time here,” is a big one. The idea that that doesn’t go on and doesn’t lead to transfers is ridiculous. If you pay attention, you’ll also note that schools often announce in December and January — before signing day — that certain players won’t return due to academic issues, disciplinary issues and the like. Those departures clear space on the roster and free up scholarships.
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We have about 10 early enrollees so 30 is the only number you need to concern yourself with. As opposed to VolChat, posters here are much more knowledgeable and understand the 25 and 85 limits.
 
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OCIVol said:
We have about 10 early enrollees so 30 is the only number you need to concern yourself with. As opposed to VolChat, posters here are much more knowledgeable and understand the 25 and 85 limits.
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Evan Woodberry was saying there's some ambiguity as to whether or not we can backcount to the year before the rule went into effect, which would allow us 32 if we wanted. It's not a black and white science.
 
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excited about this one. hope he looked at the field and thought to himself well sh*t i can play here just next year!!! congrats on your commitment. we need ya on that line.
 
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jave36 said:
Evan Woodberry was saying there's some ambiguity as to whether or not we can backcount to the year before the rule went into effect, which would allow us 32 if we wanted. It's not a black and white science.
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Actually, it is. It's just that no one knows right now except the NCAA and possibly the coaching staff.

Would be huge.
 
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