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[GoobieVol]

But both were freshmen (Q = RS), and unless your a 4 or 5* it's pretty much expected they will get the shaft with PT. If they were getting 5.8/6.8 mpg as upperclassmen, then I could see a valid reason to transfer. Now as sophomores I expected them to get to 2-3 more minutes a game at least, would you agree?

If one had to transfer, I'd say Reese would be the likely target. He could be a role player at a mid-major. Q will be a role player this year, I bet he'll surprise us eventually. JMO

Not trying to be argumentative here but where are the 2-3 more minutes per game going to come from this year. Its possible that one of them(from their play last year I would say Q) will play well enough to be the 9th or 10th guy off the bench. But as the season goes on that number usually goes down.

Having asked that, let me say I would never want someone that chose to come to UT, to transfer somewhere else. But from a players pov, would think they would want to play and not cheer all 4 years of college.jmo

 

[Stoked]

I think Reese will transfer and go somewhere in Florida back home. I follow a lot of these guys on Instagram and twitter and he's never hanging out with the team or anything. I feel like he doesn't really mess with the team JMO.

 

[cncchris33]

Hopson played almost 25mpg as a freshman

On a more talented team no less.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

On a more talented team no less.

Exactly. Where someone is getting that Hubbs will play 8mpg is beyond me.

 

[cncchris33]

Exactly. Where someone is getting that Hubbs will play 8mpg is beyond me.

If I'm Hubbs, and I average less than 20 mpg, I'm very upset, and justifiably so. This team doesn't have enough talent to push him under 20 minutes. Unless, of course, he's a total bust.

 

[iKrager]

Exactly. Where someone is getting that Hubbs will play 8mpg is beyond me.

You are the most unrealistic person on these forums when it comes to player's potential/playing time. The rotation you always have is never what it cuts out to be.


How do you know Hubbs will get 20+ minutes a game? Where are those minutes coming from? McRae sure as hell isn't giving him his minutes. Does Hubbs play the hard defense Martin wants out of his players? I'm not giving him playing time because he's a '5*' player, it's ridiculous that you automatically assume he's going to get a decent amount of PT because of his rank. Clearly he has that rank because he can play, but his game might not translate to college within the first year.

Our lineup is stacked with upperclassmen and to say a freshmen will come in and take 20+ mpg is absurd.

I can see Hubbs getting 15 mpg MAX. When the season comes around and he's only getting 11-13 mpg, I'm going to bring my quote out and say "I told you".

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you swear yours is better than others here. That's why you're in an argument or debate in almost every thread here, is because you always have to right.

 

[SJAVol32]

You are the most unrealistic person on these forums when it comes to player's potential/playing time. The rotation you always have is never what it cuts out to be.


How do you know Hubbs will get 20+ minutes a game? Where are those minutes coming from? McRae sure as hell isn't giving him his minutes. Does Hubbs play the hard defense Martin wants out of his players? I'm not giving him playing time because he's a '5*' player, it's ridiculous that you automatically assume he's going to get a decent amount of PT because of his rank. Clearly he has that rank because he can play, but his game might not translate to college within the first year.

Our lineup is stacked with upperclassmen and to say a freshmen will come in and take 20+ mpg is absurd.

I can see Hubbs getting 15 mpg MAX. When the season comes around and he's only getting 11-13 mpg, I'm going to bring my quote out and say "I told you".

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you swear yours is better than others here. That's why you're in an argument or debate in almost every thread here, is because you always have to right.

He will be the BACK UP to McRae. There isn't another SG on the team besides Moore who will most likely play SF/PF minutes (in a 4 guard line up) Hubbs can easily clock 20 minutes. 40 minutes in a game McRae isn't going to play ALL 40. Say McRae plays 30/ that's 10 for Hubbs. Then you count in Richardson needing rest and if Hubbs is on the bench the first person they'll go to is Hubbs and move McRae (if on the floor) to the 3 spot so that's another 5-10 that could be Hubbs. 4 guard line ups ect ... Hubbs is the 6th man. He'll get more than 11 minutes a game. Like I said you don't bring in a player of his caliber and limit him to 8-11 mins. That would be idiotic. Bolded when he's playing beyond 15 mins ill be sure to revisit this.

 

[VolGee4]

You are the most unrealistic person on these forums when it comes to player's potential/playing time. The rotation you always have is never what it cuts out to be.


How do you know Hubbs will get 20+ minutes a game? Where are those minutes coming from? McRae sure as hell isn't giving him his minutes. Does Hubbs play the hard defense Martin wants out of his players? I'm not giving him playing time because he's a '5*' player, it's ridiculous that you automatically assume he's going to get a decent amount of PT because of his rank. Clearly he has that rank because he can play, but his game might not translate to college within the first year.

Our lineup is stacked with upperclassmen and to say a freshmen will come in and take 20+ mpg is absurd.

I can see Hubbs getting 15 mpg MAX. When the season comes around and he's only getting 11-13 mpg, I'm going to bring my quote out and say "I told you".

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you swear yours is better than others here. That's why you're in an argument or debate in almost every thread here, is because you always have to right.

I always wish people would temper their expectations for highly rated prospects. That being said, I would be very surprised if Hubbs averages 8 MPG or less. He is basically the first or second guy off the bench and will be interchangeable with McRae and Richardson. It all depends on the matchup, but I can promise you that CCM does not want to play McRae 35 MPG unless he has to. Depending on how polished he is offensively, he may take a few minutes from Richardson.

But, if you are right or wrong, come on back. Just people's opinion.

 

[iKrager]

I agree with both of you guys, and you both bring up excellent points off the bench. He will be 6th or 7th man. I think we're forgetting about Edwards at SG, even though we recruited him as a SF, I think Martin wanted to use him as a threat on the perimeter, so we'll see more of Edwards than we did last year but jmo

 

[bleedingTNorange]

You are the most unrealistic person on these forums when it comes to player's potential/playing time. The rotation you always have is never what it cuts out to be.

My rotation is much more in line with what everyone else thinks, everyone agrees your rotation with Hubbs playing 8 minutes is about as unrealistic as it gets.

How do you know Hubbs will get 20+ minutes a game? Where are those minutes coming from? McRae sure as hell isn't giving him his minutes.

McRae 35/ Hubbs 5
Richardson 25/ Hubbs 15

There ya go...

Does Hubbs play the hard defense Martin wants out of his players? I'm not giving him playing time because he's a '5*' player, it's ridiculous that you automatically assume he's going to get a decent amount of PT because of his rank. Clearly he has that rank because he can play, but his game might not translate to college within the first year.

Question...how long did it take Jarnell Stokes to get 10 minutes a game? He was a high school senior, was lost defensively, but Martin played him.

I can see Hubbs getting 15 mpg MAX. When the season comes around and he's only getting 11-13 mpg, I'm going to bring my quote out and say "I told you".

I will bet you whatever you wanna bet in this world that Hubbs will average more than 13mpg...what do you wanna bet?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you swear yours is better than others here. That's why you're in an argument or debate in almost every thread here, is because you always have to right.

We've had this discussion before about opinions...yes you're entitled to your opinion, however that doesn't mean it's not idiotic. Like I used as an example before, my opinion may be Tobias Harris is better than Michael Jordan, just because its "my opinion" doesn't exempt it from being considered lunacy.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I agree with both of you guys, and you both bring up excellent points off the bench. He will be 6th or 7th man. I think we're forgetting about Edwards at SG, even though we recruited him as a SF, I think Martin wanted to use him as a threat on the perimeter, so we'll see more of Edwards than we did last year but jmo

1. Rob Lewis has said Edwards minutes will come at the 4 most likeky.

2. You're assuming in your projection of 8 minutes for Hubbs that he's a bench player. While I agree that he likely comes off the bench, many around the program are saying he will start over Richardson. Starters don't play 8mpg.

 

[iKrager]

My rotation is much more in line with what everyone else thinks, everyone agrees your rotation with Hubbs playing 8 minutes is about as unrealistic as it gets.

See one thing you do, to convince other's that your right is you find the worst possible points in an argument and argue them.

I said he will get anywhere from 8-13 mpg, so you decided to say that I meant he will get 8 mpg, which is false. Some nights he'll get more time than others.

McRae 35/ Hubbs 5
Richardson 25/ Hubbs 15

There ya go, how hard was that to figure our?

Where does Edwards fit on there? Edwards is going to get PT this year.

Question...how long did it take Jarnell Stokes to get 10 minutes a game? He was a high school senior, was lost defensively, but Martin played him.

Once again, you decide to get the worst possible point from my argument to use it to your advantage, so props to you.
We NEEDED help down low and when we recruited Jarnell one of our "get him" points was that he would get immediate playing time. That's a bad comparison because we don't NEED Hubbs to come in and play 25+ mpg.

I will bet you whatever you wanna bet in this world that Hubbs will average more than 13mpg...what do you wanna bet?



We've had this discussion before about opinions...yes you're entitled to your opinion, however that doesn't mean it's not idiotic. Like I used as an example before, my opinion may be Tobias Harris is better than Michael Jordan, just because its "my opinion" doesn't exempt it from being considered lunacy.

I won't bet anything, but we'll see.

If it's an idiotic opinion you don't have to take it by the neck and rip it. How many times have you posted a possible recruiting line up and been totally wrong? At least 3 times.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

See one thing you do, to convince other's that your right is you find the worst possible points in an argument and argue them.

I said he will get anywhere from 8-13 mpg, so you decided to say that I meant he will get 8 mpg, which is false. Some nights he'll get more time than others.

How about this...IMO unless he's injured, Hubbs will NEVER play less than 8 minutes in a game next year?

Where does Edwards fit on there? Edwards is going to get PT this year.

Wait so you get on to me for saying Hubbs will definitely get minutes, but you can say Edwards WILL get PT? You talked about Hubbs defense, if you recall Edwards couldn't play defense and that's why he didn't play last year.

Once again, you decide to get the worst possible point from my argument to use it to your advantage, so props to you.
We NEEDED help down low and when we recruited Jarnell one of our "get him" points was that he would get immediate playing time. That's a bad comparison because we don't NEED Hubbs to come in and play 25+ mpg.

If you don't think think this team needs some scoring help, and perimeter help then I'm not sure what else to say.

I won't bet anything, but we'll see.

If it's an idiotic opinion you don't have to take it by the neck and rip it. How many times have you posted a possible recruiting line up and been totally wrong? At least 3 times.

Anyone's allowed to disagree with my predictions, that's part of it. I also think most sensible people realize predicting who we'll land in recruiting is a bit harder than predicting Hubbs' minutes. Hubbs isn't gonna average 13 minutes a game if he's healthy, ill put anything on it. If Martin has Hubbs on the bench 30 minutes a game he can kiss goodbye any other 5* for awhile.

 

[walkenvol]

If Martin has Hubbs on the bench 30 minutes a game he can kiss goodbye any other 5* for awhile.

Hubbs appears to be a fairly "laid back" personality and its possible that would factor into CCM's approach to Hubb's PT.

UT only gets a 5* bball recruit every couple of years. IMHO, I don't see how CCM doesn't start Hubbs and play him a minimum of 25 minutes a game. As much as some may not like it, elite level recruits can't be treated just like every other player on the team if you expect to continue to sign future 5* recruits.

I wouldn't be surprised if CCM didn't attempt to position Richardson to come off the bench as a "super sub" to address this issue along with playing a lot of 4 guard lineups similiar to the end of last season.

I could see Pops averaging less than 2 minutes a game and completely disappearing by the SEC sechedule if Maymon stays healthy.

 

[cncchris33]

Where does Edwards fit on there? Edwards is going to get PT this year.

Right or wrong, Edwards hardly left the bench last year. Why are you so sure that he'll get enough minutes this season to keep Hubbs on the bench, or relegate him to <13 MPG?

I really don't see those minutes coming at the SG spot anyway. Most likely at SF and even at PF in a four guard lineup.

I'm not saying you're wrong, because all our opinions are an educated guess at this point. I just think looking at things historically, players like Hubbs are going to play 20+ minutes on a team that isn't just stacked with talent, and Tennessee isn't. Like I said earlier, he could come in and fall on his face, but that's the only thing I see keeping him off the court for substantial minutes.

 

[VolGee4]

Right or wrong, Edwards hardly left the bench last year. Why are you so sure that he'll get enough minutes this season to keep Hubbs on the bench, or relegate him to <13 MPG?

I really don't see those minutes coming at the SG spot anyway. Most likely at SF and even at PF in a four guard lineup.

I'm not saying you're wrong, because all our opinions are an educated guess at this point. I just think looking at things historically, players like Hubbs are going to play 20+ minutes on a team that isn't just stacked with talent, and Tennessee isn't. Like I said earlier, he could come in and fall on his face, but that's the only thing I see keeping him off the court for substantial minutes.

This I agree with. You have a 5 star true freshman v. a senior JUCO recruit, who barely played last year. The freshman will play more, IMO. He needs to be groomed for the next year, and he is simply more talented. In fact, I wouldn't think Edwards gets much time at all.

 

[SJAVol32]

I think everybody will get a fair shake at cracking into the rotation by the time SEC play comes around. We do have a lot of talented players. Hubbs IMO probably has the most upside of anyone on the team. My rotation by the time SEC play rolls around will be 9 players

Barton/Thompson
McRae/Hubbs
Richardson/Moore
Stokes/Maymon then a fight with Pops/Q/Edwards for that 9th spot.

I think Aj Davis will service well to get a RS year under his belt. Add weight and such. You can't play everybody and everybody does deserve to play, but Hubbs is the 6th man to me 20 minutes shouldn't be far fetched.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

This I agree with. You have a 5 star true freshman v. a senior JUCO recruit, who barely played last year. The freshman will play more, IMO. He needs to be groomed for the next year, and he is simply more talented. In fact, I wouldn't think Edwards gets much time at all.

I think Rob Lewis wrote the article, but it basically said moore and Edwards will be fighting for minutes at the 4...that the 2&3 will basically be split solely between McRae, Ruchardson and Hubbs.

 

[GoobieVol]

I think everybody will get a fair shake at cracking into the rotation by the time SEC play comes around. We do have a lot of talented players. Hubbs IMO probably has the most upside of anyone on the team. My rotation by the time SEC play rolls around will be 9 players

Barton/Thompson
McRae/Hubbs
Richardson/Moore
Stokes/Maymon then a fight with Pops/Q/Edwards for that 9th spot.

I think Aj Davis will service well to get a RS year under his belt. Add weight and such. You can't play everybody and everybody does deserve to play, but Hubbs is the 6th man to me 20 minutes shouldn't be far fetched.

You bring up a good point here. Unless AJ's aggressiveness is improved, I'm not sure he would be ahead of Q or Edwards on the depth chart this yr. IMO

 

[SJAVol32]

You bring up a good point here. Unless AJ's aggressiveness is improved, I'm not sure he would be ahead of Q or Edwards on the depth chart this yr. IMO

I love his upside but as 4. He needs to put on muscle no need in wasting a year for him and not even playing him. Next year he could be a redshirt freshman and compete for playing time against Cofer and whoever else is there.
I'd just feel bad for the kid if he's playing no minutes and not get a RS.

 

[volfan414life]

from watching him last year he hit a few jumpers from 18 to 20 feet but I was not very impressed with him. UT still has a lot of dead weight in my opinion guys that just are not good enough to be playing for UT. Armani Moore needs to work on his offensive game but he is very athletic and could be 6 to 8 rebounds and a steal or two and a block shot or two a game type player and could be a defensive stopper on any player that play sf to pg .if he can somehow score close to 8 or 9 a game .get his shooting improved. of all the new guys last year he looked like he had the most upside and the only one in his class I see ever doing anything

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Scout.com: London looking at nine schools

 

[volsack7]

I think Rob Lewis wrote the article, but it basically said moore and Edwards will be fighting for minutes at the 4...that the 2&3 will basically be split solely between McRae, Ruchardson and Hubbs.

Has Armani Moore grown this offseason? How could he move from the 1/2 to the 4? What am I missing here?

 

[SJAVol32]

Has Armani Moore grown this offseason? How could he move from the 1/2 to the 4? What am I missing here?

6'4/6'5 range but he's strong and does well with rebounds. And in a 4 guard offense which we may go to at times. He will be in at the 4 majority of the time.

 

[iKrager]

Has Armani Moore grown this offseason? How could he move from the 1/2 to the 4? What am I missing here?

Did you even watch SEC play last season? He played the 4 spot almost all SEC, the only time he played the 1 or 2 was when Golden got injured and we let Armani bring it up. (It didn't work out).

He plays hard defense and can defend 1-4 really well; Moore can HOP.