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Spartacavolus said:
I would hope. Moore has but doesn't get the PT. Problem for me is we look to be batting under 50% with recruiting--Wes, yemi, chievous, Reese, pops, Edwards.., and that catches up to you. Thank goodness Stokes came and other schools didn't have room.
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That's fair, but up till this year CCM never really had proof that he could take a team to the tourney, and have success there, that he could use for ammunition on the recruiting trail. So the next 2 years should be a better barometer of what kind of recruits we should expect to see from Martin. IMO
 
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Lefteye said:
That's fair, but up till this year CCM never really had proof that he could take a team to the tourney, and have success there, that he could use for ammunition on the recruiting trail. So the next 2 years should be a better barometer of what kind of recruits we should expect to see from Martin. IMO
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I have always felt if you could recruit then u can recruit almost no matter the circumstance but it will be interesting to see how our run helps Zo on the recruiting trail.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I have always felt if you could recruit then u can recruit almost no matter the circumstance but it will be interesting to see how our run helps Zo on the recruiting trail.
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Well each situation is unique. Even Calipari couldn't effectively recruit (legally anyway) to Arkansas St. with an ongoing NCAA investigation.

Some places recruit themselves in spite of the coach. Some coaches recruit well in spite of situation or location. Rarely do situation, location, and coach all work against each other successfully. Martin was an unknown coach, with an unresolved NCAA issue, at an historically "football dominant" school. That's a bad combo.

It is fair to judge his recruiting going forward with more scrutiny, but his first class was a complete throwaway. To have landed one solid contributor, in hindsight, was probably fortunate.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Well each situation is unique. Even Calipari couldn't effectively recruit (legally anyway) to Arkansas St. with an ongoing NCAA investigation.

Some places recruit themselves in spite of the coach. Some coaches recruit well in spite of situation or location. Rarely do situation, location, and coach all work against each other successfully. Martin was an unknown coach, with an unresolved NCAA issue, at an historically "football dominant" school. That's a bad combo.

It is fair to judge his recruiting going forward with more scrutiny, but his first class was a complete throwaway. To have landed one solid contributor, in hindsight, was probably fortunate.
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I dont judge that first class bc it is usually take who u can but his second class was pitiful sans Stokes if u count him part of the second class. His next two classes were decent but very average compared to other teams...I hope the tourney helps us improve our recruiting.

The NCAA cloud was lifted shortly after Zo became our coach here.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I dont judge that first class bc it is usually take who u can but his second class was pitiful sans Stokes if u count him part of the second class. His next two classes were decent but very average compared to other teams...I hope the tourney helps us improve our recruiting.

The NCAA cloud was lifted shortly after Zo became our coach here.
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Martin appears to be taking the Jerry Maguire approach to recruiting. Avoid the fast talking and smoke blowing, and be genuine and sincere. Unfortunately it usually only starts with a goldfish or two. :)
 
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Spartacavolus said:
since Martin has been here, outside of Stokes, his freshmen haven't done much. In 3 years. That's a trend, whether you want to admit it or not.
And tentative/passive/confused is a common denominator.
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You're being a little harsh. Darius Thompson had 87 assists (most on the team behind McRae) and just 34 turnovers. That's 2.4 assists in 16 minutes per game with an outstanding 2.56 A/TO ratio. Plus, his two point field goal percentage was also quite good at 55.8 percent. The only thing he didn't do well was three point shooting, and admittedly at that he was an abysmal 19.5 percent. That being said, I would not consider missing threes to be the product of being tentative/passive/confused as you put it. I would argue it is more a matter of adjusting to the college game as is common. See: Trae Golden shot 18.2 percent from three his freshman year and then shot 38.8 percent his sophomore year.
 
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volfan199 said:
You're being a little harsh. Darius Thompson had 87 assists (most on the team behind McRae) and just 34 turnovers. That's 2.4 assists in 16 minutes per game with an outstanding 2.56 A/TO ratio. Plus, his two point field goal percentage was also quite good at 55.8 percent. The only thing he didn't do well was three point shooting, and admittedly at that he was an abysmal 19.5 percent. That being said, I would not consider missing threes to be the product of being tentative/passive/confused as you put it. I would argue it is more a matter of adjusting to the college game as is common. See: Trae Golden shot 18.2 percent from three his freshman year and then shot 38.8 percent his sophomore year.
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Austin will probably get more minutes than Thompson next year. Thompson was a non factor most of the season. I'm sure the other team's coach was more than happy to see Thompson take an outside shot last year. He's slow too.
 
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volfan199 said:
You're being a little harsh. Darius Thompson had 87 assists (most on the team behind McRae) and just 34 turnovers. That's 2.4 assists in 16 minutes per game with an outstanding 2.56 A/TO ratio. Plus, his two point field goal percentage was also quite good at 55.8 percent. The only thing he didn't do well was three point shooting, and admittedly at that he was an abysmal 19.5 percent. That being said, I would not consider missing threes to be the product of being tentative/passive/confused as you put it. I would argue it is more a matter of adjusting to the college game as is common. See: Trae Golden shot 18.2 percent from three his freshman year and then shot 38.8 percent his sophomore year.
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Thompson has great potential. But he was passive. Too passive. And he was afraid to pull the trigger because his confidence was shot. He also needs to adjust some things on his shot, as jrich did.
I want to see our freshmen play hard and aggressive, not passive and tentative.
 
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Least we forget that Martin was very close to landing Nichols, could have landed JW III quite easily, and was one of the last finalists for 5* Lyle and Looney. I know that almost landing them doesn't mean jack, but I think that with a Sweet 16 on his resume now he might be able to close on these guys with more consistency. He seems to like putting his eggs in one basket though.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Thompson has great potential. But he was passive. Too passive. And he was afraid to pull the trigger because his confidence was shot. He also needs to adjust some things on his shot, as jrich did.
I want to see our freshmen play hard and aggressive, not passive and tentative.
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He had a significant number of assists, about the amount you would want him to have given his minutes. If you're saying he should've hunted for his shot more, I have to disagree with you. McRae, Stokes, Richardson and Maymon were all more efficient options. He wasn't passive. He was smart.
 
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volfan199 said:
He had a significant number of assists, about the amount you would want him to have given his minutes. If you're saying he should've hunted for his shot more, I have to disagree with you. McRae, Stokes, Richardson and Maymon were all more efficient options. He wasn't passive. He was smart.
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This. We finally get a PG with PG skills, and now he's too passive? Lmao.
 
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you guys and your silly lol's and rofl's and whatever else. If you don't think DT needs to be more aggressive, that's fine. It's wrong, but fine to have that opinion. Kid is 6'6, can see the floor and should be taking his man off picks and attacking the rim more to finish or dish/kickout. Most of his turnovers were lazy passes trying to set up the offense 35 feet away from the basket. That's passive, and that's on he and CM. The entire team for 3 years has had too many turnovers well away from the basket when not attacking. He also needs to attack presses rather than dribbling backwards and accepting the double teams.
 
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Like it or not, Thompson was VERY passive this year. Not only passive, but lackadaisical at times too. He was generally good for one lazy pass per game that was either stolen, or knocked away by a defender. He didn't play with much urgency. Was that a fear of making a mistake? Indecision? Carelessness? Deferring to upperclassmen playmakers?

I don't know, but he certainly didn't strike me as a quick thinker, save for a few times when he made a play and looked like Magic Johnson. He was far too hesitant more often than not though.

If he shores up his shot, and passes with purpose more consistently, he will grow by leaps as a sophomore. The IQ is there, but the urgency is not...yet.
 
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ShowSomePride said:
Least we forget that Martin was very close to landing Nichols, could have landed JW III quite easily, and was one of the last finalists for 5* Lyle and Looney. I know that almost landing them doesn't mean jack, but I think that with a Sweet 16 on his resume now he might be able to close on these guys with more consistency. He seems to like putting his eggs in one basket though.
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If Nichols hadn't lied to Martin about committing to UT, we could've easily landed Williams. But they made it clear they weren't going to the same school, so we had to pass on Williams when we thought we had landed Nichols.
 
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SGMVols said:
If Nichols hadn't lied to Martin about committing to UT, we could've easily landed Williams. But they made it clear they weren't going to the same school, so we had to pass on Williams when we thought we had landed Nichols.
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Nichols didn't ever commit to Martin. Combination of offensive concerns and staying close to home are the 2 main factors that made his decision for him.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Like it or not, Thompson was VERY passive this year. Not only passive, but lackadaisical at times too. He was generally good for one lazy pass per game that was either stolen, or knocked away by a defender. He didn't play with much urgency. Was that a fear of making a mistake? Indecision? Carelessness? Deferring to upperclassmen playmakers?

I don't know, but he certainly didn't strike me as a quick thinker, save for a few times when he made a play and looked like Magic Johnson. He was far too hesitant more often than not though.

If he shores up his shot, and passes with purpose more consistently, he will grow by leaps as a sophomore. The IQ is there, but the urgency is not...yet.
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And this was surprising being that he is the son of a coach. I distinctly remember one lazy pass from just past mid court that was stolen that was so non-chalant. Even if CCM wanted that pass to start the offense, a coach's son should know better. Not sure what it was, but I am sure that will be addressed.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Nichols didn't ever commit to Martin. Combination of offensive concerns and staying close to home are the 2 main factors that made his decision for him.
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Not sure if he did or not, but there were some whispers that Nichols commited to CCM on a visit. I do know that at one time, some people close to the Memphis program did not think he would end up at Memphis. He has a twin sister that goes to UT. He made a late decision to attend Memphis, and Momma wanted to see him play.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Like it or not, Thompson was VERY passive this year. Not only passive, but lackadaisical at times too. He was generally good for one lazy pass per game that was either stolen, or knocked away by a defender. He didn't play with much urgency. Was that a fear of making a mistake? Indecision? Carelessness? Deferring to upperclassmen playmakers?

I don't know, but he certainly didn't strike me as a quick thinker, save for a few times when he made a play and looked like Magic Johnson. He was far too hesitant more often than not though.

If he shores up his shot, and passes with purpose more consistently, he will grow by leaps as a sophomore. The IQ is there, but the urgency is not...yet.
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Well, these statistics I'm looking at say 87 assists and 34 turnovers in 620 minutes. That seems pretty good to me. But, unlike you guys, I lack a photographic memory and an amazing working knowledge of point guard play. I guess I'll just have to defer to you, since all I've got to go off are statistics and I can't find trends such as "lack of urgency" or "passive" anywhere in them. Wait, there's no chance you're generalizing from one play against Michigan and a 30 second sequence against Auburn, are you? Nah, that can't be it.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Not sure if he did or not, but there were some whispers that Nichols commited to CCM on a visit. I do know that at one time, some people close to the Memphis program did not think he would end up at Memphis. He has a twin sister that goes to UT. He made a late decision to attend Memphis, and Momma wanted to see him play.
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I was at Briarcrest when Martin visited Nichols at school last year and posted a pic in this forum at the time while they were practicing. It's my understanding he never "lied" or committed to Martin.
Besides staying home near mom, they had concerns about the system. Nichols ended up being 4th on the Memphis team in scoring and 3rd in rebounding as a freshman.
 
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volfan199 said:
Well, these statistics I'm looking at say 87 assists and 34 turnovers in 620 minutes. That seems pretty good to me. But, unlike you guys, I lack a photographic memory and an amazing working knowledge of point guard play. I guess I'll just have to defer to you, since all I've got to go off are statistics and I can't find trends such as "lack of urgency" or "passive" anywhere in them. Wait, there's no chance you're generalizing from one play against Michigan and a 30 second sequence against Auburn, are you? Nah, that can't be it.
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You're taking my opinion that he was passive, for whatever reason that may have been, and projecting it into me saying he was a bad player. And you're doing it all while being a jackass at the same time.

When you want to discuss it in a civil manner, get back to me.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I was at Briarcrest when Martin visited Nichols at school last year and posted a pic in this forum at the time while they were practicing. It's my understanding he never "lied" or committed to Martin.
Besides staying home near mom, they had concerns about the system. Nichols ended up being 4th on the Memphis team in scoring and 3rd in rebounding as a freshman.
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I understand. But I can tell you that at one point in his recruitment, Memphis people did not like their chances. John Martin, who now writes for The CA, will tell you that he didn't think Memphis had a shot at one point.

The family did eventually have concerns about our offense, but his recruitment was not one in which it was clear that Memphis was the favorite. As I stated before, his sister is at UT, and there are many private school boys that enjoy getting out of town and going to UT or OM.
 
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volfan199 said:
Well, these statistics I'm looking at say 87 assists and 34 turnovers in 620 minutes. That seems pretty good to me. But, unlike you guys, I lack a photographic memory and an amazing working knowledge of point guard play. I guess I'll just have to defer to you, since all I've got to go off are statistics and I can't find trends such as "lack of urgency" or "passive" anywhere in them. Wait, there's no chance you're generalizing from one play against Michigan and a 30 second sequence against Auburn, are you? Nah, that can't be it.
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another one in the too emotional group. He was benched on multiple occasions for lackadaisical play, specifically lazy passes, and had his starting position pulled. It wasn't from being too aggressive, but there isn't a stat for it, so you probably missed it. It's not all on DT as well. It's partly on the staff.
When DT is aggressive and confident like he was in his first game as a starter, where I believe he had 7 pts and 7 assts, he can be a great weapon with his length and vision along with his passing skills and ability to see angles. Problem is he didn't play like that again after earning 1st team minutes in practice and his starting position was taken.
Why is a kid's first game as starter his best one? Should be the other way around.
 
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cncchris33 said:
You're taking my opinion that he was passive, for whatever reason that may have been, and projecting it into me saying he was a bad player. And you're doing it all while being a jackass at the same time.

When you want to discuss it in a civil manner, get back to me.
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Apologies, but there's not really a polite way of saying your opinion is based off nothing but a few memories from a 37 game season. I went for the cheeky route which you didn't appreciate, but in all seriousness I don't understand how you can look at those statistics and think "yeah, too passive" when he very nearly led the team in assists while playing half the minutes of the person who did lead the team in assists. He had his moments of poor play, but its a 37 game season. Everyone has their moments of poor play. I still stand behind my assertion that the only thing he did poorly this year was three point shooting, and that history indicates a significant jump in three point percentage from year one to year two.
 
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