'14 JUCO WR Eric Lauderdale (previous UT commit)

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jave36 said:
Pretty sure they can read and write. Why should they not be given hand outs, other than your opinion that they are lesser people? Why should the elite musician be given a hand out? Or the history buff?
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Because these kids are insulting those that work hard to get to college and beyond. There are some that aren't there to work hard off the field to get there or even once they are there. CP and Edie Lacy are not smart individuals. They have no business being in an institution of higher learning. Period.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
That is what I was getting at. I think ANY school should require a Juco kid coming in to at least make an attempt to go to class and keep a decent GPA. It's not that hard, just take a little effort and someone making sure the kid is held accountable.
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Like RockyTop85 said some of that falls on the staffs focus on accountability. IIRC even Kiffin was making sure kids were going to class.
 
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PA Vol said:
Because these kids are insulting those that work hard to get to college and beyond. There are some that aren't there to work hard off the field to get there or even once they are there. CP and Edie Lacy are not smart individuals. They have no business being in an institution of higher learning. Period.
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They don't want to be there. They're not insulting anyone. It's not their fault college is the minor league of football. They're furthering their careers in an industry in which they excel. If they put their career before some nonsense they'll never use, why should they be vilified? The NCAA has created this system with the full support of academicians (presidents), so one and done athletes are forced to go to institutions that they'd otherwise never be within 50 miles. Doesn't make them lesser people though, just because their strength isn't inside their head.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
That is what I was getting at. I think ANY school should require a Juco kid coming in to at least make an attempt to go to class and keep a decent GPA. It's not that hard, just take a little effort and someone making sure the kid is held accountable.
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I agree with this.

That 30 for 30 that talked about NFL players and their money ought to be enough to show how shamefully bad the NCAA's academic controls are.

I probably need to stop there because this is a slippery slope towards a rant about this country's obsession with academia that probably nobody wants to here.
 
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jave36 said:
They don't want to be there. They're not insulting anyone. It's not their fault college is the minor league of football. They're furthering their careers in an industry in which they excel. If they put their career before some nonsense they'll never use, why should they be vilified? The NCAA has created this system with the full support of academicians (presidents), so one and done athletes are forced to go to institutions that they'd otherwise never be within 50 miles. Doesn't make them lesser people though, just because their strength isn't inside their head.
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This is true, but I don't think it's mutually exclusive of the other argument.

A more practical education that would add value to these guys futures wouldn't be difficult to produce and would benefit a lot of students, including athletes.

Personal finance courses being the number one example. Why that's not mandatory in every university or high school is beyond me.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
This is true, but I don't think it's mutually exclusive of the other argument.

A more practical education that would add value to these guys futures wouldn't be difficult to produce and would benefit a lot of students, including athletes.

Personal finance courses being the number one example. Why that's not mandatory in every university or high school is beyond me.
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This is a great post.

For student athletes on professional paths would benefit greatly from classes geared toward their strengths and building on their weaknesses in essential areas like finance and budgeting.
 
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PA Vol said:
Yes. It is expected for the other 98% of the population to be able to read and write. Obviously many athletes are both gifted and intelligent. But the CP's and Eddie Lacy's of the world shouldn't be given hand outs because they're athletic.
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wow

They are giving there body. All of the hits and injuries add up to many orthopedic problems and potentially neurologic issues in old age, so u can make an argument that they are giving their most important god given gifts and putting them to risk every day.

THis read and write thing..... get over yourself
 
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PowerWookie said:
wow

They are giving there body. All of the hits and injuries add up to many orthopedic problems and potentially neurologic issues in old age, so u can make an argument that they are giving their most important god given gifts and putting them to risk every day.

THis read and write thing..... get over yourself
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The fact that it's a high risk profession increases the need for an education, in my opinion.

In the event that CP suffers a career ending injury next season, what's he gonna do? The NFL clearly doesn't care about him. Maybe he has insurance that covers that particular injury. But what does he do beyond that?

Athletes who don't make millions ought to come out of college prepared to support themselves, otherwise do away with university athletics and have a minor league so at least they can capitalize somewhat on that 3 years of earnings potential.

Athletes who do make millions ought to come out prepared to handle it wisely. Have I mentioned Curt Schilling yet?
 
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PA Vol said:
This is a great post.

For student athletes on professional paths would benefit greatly from classes geared toward their strengths and building on their weaknesses in essential areas like finance and budgeting.
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I would add twitter management and remedial health class (paging Antonio Cromartie)!
 
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I'm sure that a lot of players in the NFL and a lot of the major sports cover themselves. The NFL in particular provides a lot of support through league mandated programs. As far as Curt Schilling...I'd say what happened to him was lot of his own fault not some "oops I is a dumb athlete" syndrome. The guy basically committed fraud more or less and duped a lot of people...causing them to lose their jobs.
 
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volswillrise12 said:
I'm sure that a lot of players in the NFL and a lot of the major sports cover themselves. The NFL in particular provides a lot of support through league mandated programs. As far as Curt Schilling...I'd say what happened to him was lot of his own fault not some "oops I is a dumb athlete" syndrome. The guy basically committed fraud more or less and duped a lot of people...causing them to lose their jobs.
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Maybe I haven't heard the whole story. My understanding is he personally secured the financing for his video game and when it tanked he ended up on the hook for the millions of dollars the company borrowed.

Regardless of whether he defrauded the company, putting your life savings on the line for a start-up business venture after your career is over is dumb dumb dumb.
 
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PA Vol said:
Because these kids are insulting those that work hard to get to college and beyond. There are some that aren't there to work hard off the field to get there or even once they are there. CP and Edie Lacy are not smart individuals. They have no business being in an institution of higher learning. Period.
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So people that are not as smart have no business going to college. I thought that was the purpose of schools and college TO LEARN. The fact of the matter is the kids that are not that smart are not the problem its the institutions that push them through without teaching them.
 
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VolSummitt44 said:
So people that are not as smart have no business going to college. I thought that was the purpose of schools and college TO LEARN. The fact of the matter is the kids that are not that smart are not the problem its the institutions that push them through without teaching them.
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Anyone can learn as long as they have the discipline to do so. I would advise them to please choose wisely and don't become a burden to society.
 
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I think ALL student athletes should be held to the same standard. I also think that those persons who assume that kids who go JUCO are less intelligent or academically ineligible need to rethink that. Sometimes JUCO is the better opportunity for advancement. Some of these kids do not get the exposure for athletic scholarship or like my son, had an injury that kept him benched for some of junior and his entire senior season. My son is going JUCO 24 ACT 3.4 GPA and was accepted to UT. It pisses me off when people who don't know make assumptions about a kids academics. That is not to say that academics are the reason some are there but not all.
 
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I think it all comes down to comparing his uga and UT visits. If he likes Tennessee better, I would not be shocked if he committed by this weekend.
 
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VolSummitt44 said:
So people that are not as smart have no business going to college. I thought that was the purpose of schools and college TO LEARN. The fact of the matter is the kids that are not that smart are not the problem its the institutions that push them through without teaching them.
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While we are arguing against the same thing, higher education is not for people who haven't proven they have the intellect/motivation to learn, not to start doing so. The larger point is that universities have made themselves football factories, and anyone who wants to play has to go through a university, which originally should have probably never happened, because you SHOULD have to meet an academic standard to be at a university.

That's not the kids' fault though, so we shouldn't slam them for caring more about the football part if that's where their future is.

CP helped UT make hundreds of millions. How many students can say they did that for the school? Give him a break on not caring about academics.
 
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jave36 said:
While we are arguing against the same thing, higher education is not for people who haven't proven they have the intellect/motivation to learn, not to start doing so. The larger point is that universities have made themselves football factories, and anyone who wants to play has to go through a university, which originally should have probably never happened, because you SHOULD have to meet an academic standard to be at a university.

That's not the kids' fault though, so we shouldn't slam them for caring more about the football part if that's where their future is.

CP helped UT make hundreds of millions. How many students can say they did that for the school? Give him a break on not caring about academics.
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Did his grades contribute to the low GPA average of the team? You know, that whole points thing that CBJ is now stuck with trying to get us out of before we get banned from playing in bowl games.

People can say what they want and have their opinions of how student athletes should be treated, but bottom line is, guys like this who come in and don't give a crap about going to class do hurt a lot of other people. Whether it is just a stepping stone to the NFL or not they should be held to a standard. They ARE here under a contract of sorts and when they get bad grades (especially because of lack of trying) they are hurting their team mates and future players alike.

In my book it's called being selfish and not giving a crap about those around you. Just my :twocents:
 
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BaldBiker said:
Did his grades contribute to the low GPA average of the team? You know, that whole points thing that CBJ is now stuck with trying to get us out of before we get banned from playing in bowl games.

People can say what they want and have their opinions of how student athletes should be treated, but bottom line is, guys like this who come in and don't give a crap about going to class do hurt a lot of other people. Whether it is just a stepping stone to the NFL or not they should be held to a standard. They ARE here under a contract of sorts and when they get bad grades (especially because of lack of trying) they are hurting their team mates and future players alike.

In my book it's called being selfish and not giving a crap about those around you. Just my :twocents:
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That's the only fair criticism I've seen on here, although I don't know that we can assume he knew about the whole APR thing.

His contributions to revenue and PR probably even out the harm to our APR though, so the excessive venom from some is still unwarranted.
 
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If they don't go to class and maintain a certain GPA, I'd pull them off the field and they would sit until they decided to give a damn. It's really that simple for me. If they are a 1 and done, good luck getting drafted very high after sitting for the last 8 games of the year. If the kid wants to use UT to get his payday, he can at least contribute as a student while on campus. JMO
 
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