'14 JUCO DT Davonte Lambert (Auburn Commit 12/18/13)

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sigchig said:
Wrong. It is ALWAYS a good day when Bammer LOSES.
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True, but it's interesting you post this in a thread about a recruit we lost because Auburn ripped the hearts out of Bammer on their way to Pasadena.

I guess I just see the bigger picture. I want the elite recruits to build a championship caliber team. You want Auburn to beat Alabama. That's different.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
He may not be major college material. Put it like that...geesh. You know what I was saying but you want to act like he should be given a pass on his grades/work ethic. He will need to do something to become a productive member of society. Playing football does not last forever.
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no but playing football is one of his skills which can be limited by the college requirement. It can be used to make money and to become a productive member of society. I've never said anyone should get a pass but recognize the situation for what it might be. You don't seem to

titansvolsfaninga said:
please cite an example of this treacherous behavior!!!
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follow recruiting for more than 1 cycle and get back to me. Heck they even do it to players already on campus
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
No everyone is not college material, but there are many other avenues that he can pursue to be successful. If his dream is to play football, there are many avenues that he can pursue to play football. He could have gone Division III and played. Don't act like he is a poor victim. If he wants it bad enough, and he is good enough, he will make it. Look at London Fletcher.
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that is a truly ridiculous post

the moderator would be alluding to the need for something completely outside of the college system to develop into a football player - a la the farm system in baseball as an alternate route for a kid that doesnt want to go to college but still wants to play big league ball

there is nothing remotely close to that for football and there is not really a debate on that

lots of people don't want to go to college and it doesnt make you a bad person if you don't want to go to school

the system is forced on the kids in football more than any other sport mainly b/c it is a huge money maker
 
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utvolpj said:
not everyone is college material. Unfortunately guys like him are forced into that system in order to pursue their dreams

cheering the failure of a 19yo guy is low rent
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Very rarely is it because athletes aren't intelligent enough. What I have witnessed with both athletes and regular students is a criminal lack of preparation from the K-12 system and it's not a public/private school thing or even a rich public school district versus a poor one thing. I've seen it turn up in students from all kinds of socioeconomic and educational backgrounds.

What kills the VAST majority of students in college isn't math or science requirements but never being taught how to write a 5 paragraph theme let alone how to write a short research paper using citations. Once they arrive at college or university they find out that's most of their grade.

This is the result of the K-12 system teaching for standardized tests for prestige and profit. The students know how to pass the tests and know how to write (they're not illiterate) but they don't know the basics of a formal paper.

There's nothing like hearing a student competently or even rather brilliantly discuss a topic in class and yet see them turn in papers that are D and F level (and that's not taking off for grammar/spelling). Knowing a student understands the subject and yet can't express it in a requisite format is absolutely infuriating.

However, you're correct that college isn't for everyone but there are alternate paths to the pros. Colleges simply invest much more time and money in training and preparing an athlete for the next level but that is a great deal of money spent on them that is often ignored -- top of the line coaches and trainers aren't cheap and those outrageous facilities aren't just there as eye candy to recruit a player (much harder to workout at a local gym or with a semi pro team and make it because neither are investing all that much in your success).
 
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utvolpj said:
and when our coaches do it to a commit I assume the reaction is the same? Of course it is
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I feel the same about the (tiny number of) kids who flip over to us at the last minute, and I certainly wouldn't have any problem with the other team's fans ripping the player for it. It goes both ways too; I'm also disgusted when our coaches cut loose longtime UT commits when they need the space for a better player. Your word is your word.
 
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engineerVOL said:
True, but it's interesting you post this in a thread about a recruit we lost because Auburn ripped the hearts out of Bammer on their way to Pasadena.

I guess I just see the bigger picture. I want the elite recruits to build a championship caliber team. You want Auburn to beat Alabama. That's different.
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Nope, I see the bigger picture too...see below my Avatar...I "get" it. It's just today and specifically having a good time with you and completely not being serious that Bammer losing is the only thing other than the Vols winning that I we care about! I'm just having fun man. I see your point and I agree with you.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Going back on your word at the last minute after making promises to people is low rent too. Nobody should be going online to hassle this guy directly, but I've got no problem with the general level of schadenfreude on VN about it.
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Thank you for working that word into a post.

Love it!!

VFL
 
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bowlbrother85 said:
so is lying to people who are offering you a free path to pursue those dreams. The majority of the ill will expressed in this thread really is over his lying and not his decision to attend auburn. If it is true that he waited until 30 minutes before his announcement to inform our staff of his true intentions then the ill will here is more than justified. Lambert is an adult and his actions scream entitlement.
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preach!
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I feel the same about the (tiny number of) kids who flip over to us at the last minute, and I certainly wouldn't have any problem with the other team's fans ripping the player for it. It goes both ways too; I'm also disgusted when our coaches cut loose longtime UT commits when they need the space for a better player. Your word is your word.
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then you are one of the rare ones. I've always winced at the number of offers thrown out when in reality the opportunity to capitalize exists for only a few. I feel worse for the ones shoved out the door of Neyland after investing time though
 
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SCvol333 said:
that is a truly ridiculous post

the moderator would be alluding to the need for something completely outside of the college system to develop into a football player - a la the farm system in baseball as an alternate route for a kid that doesnt want to go to college but still wants to play big league ball

there is nothing remotely close to that for football and there is not really a debate on that

lots of people don't want to go to college and it doesnt make you a bad person if you don't want to go to school

the system is forced on the kids in football more than any other sport mainly b/c it is a huge money maker
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Cry me a river. Life is not fair. If he is not willing to invest just as much time into being a STUDENT-athlete, he has no one to blame but himself. I will not shed one tear because college is too hard for him. I worked two jobs to put myself through school. Chances are when and if he makes it, he will not be smart enough to manage his money. The system is what it is. As I stated before, there are other avenues that Mr. Lambert can use if he chooses to do so.
 
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utvolpj said:
and when our coaches do it to a commit I assume the reaction is the same? Of course it is
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Well, if you are referring to our current staff and not reaching back to yesteryear then you could only be talking about Booth...and it is not clear whose decision that was. If they were going to kick anyone to the curb there were better choices among our commitment list than a 4* WR.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Cry me a river. Life is not fair. If he is not willing to invest just as much time into being a STUDENT-athlete, he has no one to blame but himself. I will not shed one tear because college is too hard for him. I worked two jobs to put myself through school. Chances are when and if he makes it, he will not be smart enough to manage his money. The system is what it is.
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the people still hanging on the student-athlete label are the same who act shocked when a player is caught taking money

titansvolsfaninga said:
As I stated before, there are other avenues that Mr. Lambert can use if he chooses to do so.
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yeah you suggested he should go to college instead of going to college. That was a solid plan
 
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sigchig said:
Nope, I see the bigger picture too...see below my Avatar...I "get" it. It's just today and specifically having a good time with you and completely not being serious that Bammer losing is the only thing other than the Vols winning that I we care about! I'm just having fun man. I see your point and I agree with you.
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:good!: Good deal, Go VOLS and eat your own fecal matter, Bama!
 
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utvolpj said:
the people still hanging on the student-athlete label are the same who act shocked when a player is caught taking money



yeah you suggested he should go to college instead of going to college. That was a solid plan
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You make a lot of assumptions. I think the students should be compensated for their time and effort. Hopefully that will happen sooner rather than later.

I suggested that he go to a division III school, which is still college, but the demands are not as rigorous. Now if you like, I can break out some crayons to help you understand better. You can act COY all you want, but you know what I said. And I even clarified myself. Apparently you and Mr. Lambert are two peas in a pod.
 
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UTProf said:
However, you're correct that college isn't for everyone but there are alternate paths to the pros. Colleges simply invest much more time and money in training and preparing an athlete for the next level but that is a great deal of money spent on them that is often ignored -- top of the line coaches and trainers aren't cheap and those outrageous facilities aren't just there as eye candy to recruit a player (much harder to workout at a local gym or with a semi pro team and make it because neither are investing all that much in your success).
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I found this pretty interesting - colleges are the vehicle to the pros primarily because they have invested far more resources in becoming that vehicle than any other player in the market

I can envision a day where a player goes to something like a Peyton Manning passing academy and his performance there be just as important as a college game but b/c of that investment you speak of it would take a long time to actually have any significant alternate route to the NFL - huge barrier to entry for anyone trying to capture that market

and titansvolsfaninga - i was crying no rivers for anyone - just pointing out there is no real alternate route so your argument was ridiculous

now you may be comfortable with that - it honestly doesnt really bother me that much - but you can't say there is an alternative to going to college and then present that they could simply attend a different college
 
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metafour said:
From Gus Malzahn's conference call today:

-DaVonte Lambert - great kid, makes good grades, will be real good for us.
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Phi Beta Kappa I'm sure....You catch guys with good grades taking online classes in Junior College all the time...The bull s*** is getting thick.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Phi Beta Kappa I'm sure....You catch guys with good grades taking online classes in Junior College all the time...The bull s*** is getting thick.
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These kids at JUCO are just there academically to qualify to a D1 school while playing football. Obviously they are going to take the easiest route they can.

I'm sure UT's JUCO recruits are indulging themselves with the most mentally stimulating courses available to them...
 
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metafour said:
These kids at JUCO are just there academically to qualify to a D1 school while playing football. Obviously they are going to take the easiest route they can.

I'm sure UT's JUCO recruits are indulging themselves with the most mentally stimulating courses available to them...
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Talk all the smack you want metatard, but when he's not practicing in the spring you will know why.
 
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