'14 GA RB Treyvon Paulk (UT Signee 2/5/14)

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jasonvol18 said:
Not unless he walks on. He really only misses a few months with the class he was recruited for. Definitely doesnt throw him out of sync and it benefits him and UT. Still allows him to have a RS available if he ever needs . Really is a win, win.
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He will still have a redshirt available if needed though. This one would be a medical redshirt and he would still have a regular redshirt if needed. We've already had a few players do this. There is no need at all to grey shirt. He's better off with the team and UT doctors rehabbing and loses nothing.
 
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CWGvol said:
He will still have a redshirt available if needed though. This one would be a medical redshirt and he would still have a regular redshirt if needed. We've already had a few players do this. There is no need at all to grey shirt. He's better off with the team and UT doctors rehabbing and loses nothing.
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Thats true but it also opens up another scholly for a guy who can play next season at RB, which we will definitely need. Really is a win win if he agrees to a GS.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Thats true but it also opens up another scholly for a guy who can play next season at RB, which we will definitely need. Really is a win win if he agrees to a GS.
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If he agrees to it then yes, but there is no way he does. It would not benefit him at all to greyshirt and would actually hurt him. Plus he loses nothing by redshirting (medical).
 
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CWGvol said:
If he agrees to it then yes, but there is no way he does. It would not benefit him at all to greyshirt and would actually hurt him. Plus he loses nothing by redshirting (medical).
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If he does greyshirt I would bet he agrees to it, just can't see Jones doing it without Paulk agreeing to it. Don't see how it hurts him in the least and can he take a medical RS with his injury happening in HS? Medical Redshirts arent real easy to get and not sure if he could get one with it not being a college injury, but honestly dont know. For UT its win/win if Paulk agreea to GS, guess we see.
 
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I thought there were exceptions for catastrophic or career-ending injuries...essentially, the kid maintains the scholarship but the team gets a break on the scholarship limits.
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I think they have medical scholarships for this. Alabama garnered a lot of fame for using medicals to ditch players from their existing roster to make room for the new and improved. I think you can probably do the same for a kid who gets permanently taken out of the game before he ever actually enrolls. I don't know for sure but the rules aren't designed to make you an ogre; they're designed to level the playing field.
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All this is hypothetical and has nothing to do with Paulk. He does not have a catastrophic injury.

My "realistic scenarios" were based on kids that had not signed a letter of intent yet. I am for being fair, honest, and having a high standard of integrity in recruiting and throughout the entire program. Not honoring a scholarship/verbal commitment for a kid that has not signed a letter of intent and can never play again, IMO, does not violate any of the aforementioned values.
 
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When has there been 8 career ending injuries over a4 year period. Cite one. Def not a program killer. Just justifying a need for an immediate contributor rather than a delayed one.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
If he does greyshirt I would bet he agrees to it, just can't see Jones doing it without Paulk agreeing to it. Don't see how it hurts him in the least and can he take a medical RS with his injury happening in HS? Medical Redshirts arent real easy to get and not sure if he could get one with it not being a college injury, but honestly dont know. For UT its win/win if Paulk agreea to GS, guess we see.
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Yes, he can get a medical redshirt. The way it hurts him is not having UT do his rehab. On top of that, not being around his team and friends for a year is something nobody wants to do.
 
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I prefer they be under our medical staff watch but with our depth spots are critical. If he is willing to GS you have to consider it.
 
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Meanwhile, Paulk is starting to look like Ray Rice...
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The requirements for a medical redshirt differ slightly from conference to conference. According to this highly credible source (Medical Hardship/Disqualification), Paulk would, however, be eligible for one. "The medical hardship waiver can be requested to the appropriate conference or to the NCAA if the institution is an independent. The following situation must be met per NCAA rules: a) the incapacitating injury or illness occurs either during the senior year of high school or during one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition, b) the injury or illness occurs prior to the first half of the playing season that concludes with the NCAA Championship in that sport, and c) the student-athlete has not participated in more than two contests or 20% of the scheduled contests (whichever is greater)."

Virginia Tech's guidelines for medical redshirts, which presumably reflect ACC mandates, are as follows:

(1) The student-athlete may not have participated in more than two contests or dates of competition or 20 percent of the team's completed contests/dates of competition.

(2) The injury or illness must occur prior to the completion of the first half of the season.

(3) The injury or illness does not have to occur during practice/competition, but it must be incapacitating (see Virginia Tech Department of Athletics).

Oklahoma's policy on the matter permits medical redshirts if an athlete "suffers an injury or illness that prevents them from finishing the current season. The injury must occur during the first half of the season, and the player can't have participated in more than three games (or 30 percent of the scheduled games, whichever is greater)" (How the NCAA allows medical exemptions | News OK).
 
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CWGvol said:
Yes, he can get a medical redshirt. The way it hurts him is not having UT do his rehab. On top of that, not being around his team and friends for a year is something nobody wants to do.
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In addition, getting a chance for him to start college without the added burden of trying to crack the two-deep is beneficial to his immediate and long-term academic future
 
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My vote is to keep the full ride offer and to not grey shirt Paulk.

It would be more beneficial for his medical purposes. He's been extremely loyal to UT... no visits to other schools (to my knowledge).

I would like for him to have the surgery as soon as he can. Then he would have this whole offseason plus a red shirt season followed with another offseason of rehabbing and conditioning.
 
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I think Paulk should sign a LOI for a full scholarship with Tennessee on NSD or before if he is a EE. If he were to accept a GS, he could be setting himself up to be left out in the cold. What if his rehab does not go well? What if he does not come back 100%? A kid taking a GS is risking not ever actually getting a scholarship. If his health or numbers do not work out in 2015, CBJ and staff could decide NOT to provide a scholarship. I am in no way saying they would do a kid like that, but if Paulk is smart, he does not set himself up to risk it. JMO
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I think Paulk should sign a LOI for a full scholarship with Tennessee on NSD or before if he is a EE. If he were to accept a GS, he could be setting himself up to be left out in the cold. What if his rehab does not go well? What if he does not come back 100%? A kid taking a GS is risking not ever actually getting a scholarship. If his health or numbers do not work out in 2015, CBJ and staff could decide NOT to provide a scholarship. I am in no way saying they would do a kid like that, but if Paulk is smart, he does not set himself up to risk it. JMO
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I believe the purpose of the GS is to avoid burning a RS if possible. This medical redshirt has been discussed in another thread. But, by delaying his first year, he avoids burning a RS right away because of injury.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I believe the purpose of the GS is to avoid burning a RS if possible. This medical redshirt has been discussed in another thread. But, by delaying his first year, he avoids burning a RS right away because of injury.
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That may be correct.

I'm pretty sure if a kid accepts a GS, there is nothing keeping a coaching staff from NOT putting them on scholarship when the GS is up. I think it's a risk.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
That may be correct.

I'm pretty sure if a kid accepts a GS, there is nothing keeping a coaching staff from NOT putting them on scholarship when the GS is up. I think it's a risk.
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It may be, but let's say Paulk is 4th on depth chart in 2015 and still needs more time to develop. The staff can then RS him unlike if they took him right away and he took his RS.

I am sure all of this will be discussed with him, and there will be an agreement. Bottom line is that we probably need another RB.
 
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VolGee4 said:
It may be, but let's say Paulk is 4th on depth chart in 2015 and still needs more time to develop. The staff can then RS him unlike if they took him right away and he took his RS.

I am sure all of this will be discussed with him, and there will be an agreement. Bottom line is that we probably need another RB.
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I guess you didn't read the previous page. He would not burn his redshirt. It would be a medical redshirt and he would still have his regular redshirt if needed.
 
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I ask this because I honestly have no idea. How could Paulk get a medical RS his 1st year in college for an injury that happened in high school? That does not make much sense to me.
 
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CWGvol said:
I guess you didn't read the previous page. He would not burn his redshirt. It would be a medical redshirt and he would still have his regular redshirt if needed.
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This was discussed late yesterday in the Evan Berry thread. I found info about redshirts. Paulk cannot get another RS after his first one unless he has another injury. The NCAA gives you 5 years eligibility with playing for 4 of those. They only give you a 6th if there is a legitimate reason for missing 2 of the seasons. You can get a medical redshirt later in your career but you can't treat your first one as a medical redshirt and then take another one without injury. I think it's pretty clear. So by making Paulk a grey shirt, they allow him to save his redshirt.
 
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Yes he could. The way it works is, if he redshirted later this one could be changed to medical redshirt. So technically this one wont be a medical one because its only done if needed. They start off just using a redshirt because they are unlikely to need to use another one, however if the need arises then this one could easily be changed to medical. So for all intents and purposes it will be a medical one if needed. He doesn't have to get injured again.
 
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CWGvol said:
Yes he could. The way it works is, if he redshirted later this one could be changed to medical redshirt. So technically this one wont be a medical one because its only done if needed. They start off just using a redshirt because they are unlikely to need to use another one, however if the need arises then this one could easily be changed to medical. So for all intents and purposes it will be a medical one if needed. He doesn't have to get injured again.
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Never heard of a player being granted a MRS for an injury sustained in HS.
 
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