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Vandy is throwing out the idea of an extra game to impress the CFP committee. Not sure who would be willing to play them. How about play in games for the CFP like in March Madness. We could have Vandy vs. Miami and ND vs Tex to determine who gets in. Those games would be better than the ACC championship game. Who would y'all like to see?
 
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farmdogvol said:
Vandy is throwing out the idea of an extra game to impress the CFP committee. Not sure who would be willing to play them. How about play in games for the CFP like in March Madness. We could have Vandy vs. Miami and ND vs Tex to determine who gets in. Those games would be better than the ACC championship game. Who would y'all like to see?
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If the committee isn't already impressed with what they did accomplish in 12 games, one more isn't gonna light any candles.
 
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farmdogvol said:
Vandy is throwing out the idea of an extra game to impress the CFP committee. Not sure who would be willing to play them. How about play in games for the CFP like in March Madness. We could have Vandy vs. Miami and ND vs Tex to determine who gets in. Those games would be better than the ACC championship game. Who would y'all like to see?
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Except Miami and Texas are on the outside looking in and will be there regardless. Notre Dame even at #10 is not safe.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Without conference championship games -

- # 11 is Virigina (bye BYU)
- #12 is Tulane (bye Miami and sorry North Texas - we know you have a better record, but Tulane is ranked higher)

Still no Vandy or Miami or Texas.
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Fine by me. It’s goin to get to a point, if not there already, where starters get benched for rest and to preserve health. Why play them? Seeding? Ok
 
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VAWL FAN said:
Well in a play in game loser goes home winner gets in so no committee needed.
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Not possible with how the teams are selected. You would have to do away with the automatic bids to the top 5 conference champions regardless of where they are ranked.

And assuming that happened and the play in game is to decide # 12, that is Texas verses Miami. Vandy still loses as they are # 14. They just need to stop.
 
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VAWL FAN said:
Well in a play in game loser goes home winner gets in so no committee needed.
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You've added extra games via the playoff model. If a team has to play-in, and gets hot and runs the table, you got a college team playing 17-18 games maybe.

Scrap the whole system and run with the FCS 24 team model and be done with it. Some where, someone on the bubble will always get spurned. Unavoidable. Like picking the play in teams isn't gonna set up another argument about who gets in those.

Or 26 if the brackets can work. Top 25 final ranked plus 1st team out with highest votes for Top 25. Drop back to 11 game seasons to help temper the extra playoff games.
 
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Volanta said:
Fine by me. It’s goin to get to a point, if not there already, where starters get benched for rest and to preserve health. Why play them? Seeding? Ok
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I personally think they should play the championship games and limit the teams in the playoffs to those champions. Make it where you must be a champion at one level to play for the championship at the next level.

They have watered down that requirement to appease the SEC and BIG.
 
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EZE said:
Sadly, I think the committee looks too much at the team names and not enough at the credentials.

Vandy is being penalized because it is Vandy.

ND is being rewarded because it is ND.
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I know this is heresy for a Vol fan, but you gotta give Lea his due for what he did this year. He built his way up to it and got it done. They've progressivley and impressively improved under him. The interesting caveat is will they regress with Pavia out next year., making it look more due to him than Lea. Or will he strike gold in the portal again while Curtis is getting ready. Or will Curtis be generational and can be thrown to the SEC wolves out of the gate. He's higly touted. Big coup for Vandy on that flip. It ain't like it was all Pavia on us. If their D hadn't held us at bay, it just would have been a valiant effort come up short.
 
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What screws Vandy and Miami is the G5 gauruntee. It's a paradox. A lesser school gets in to make post season opportunity available to all, but at the expense of two better teams they would likely never beat. If your ranked 12th in CFP your basically out?? Cause that G5 has to be let in. JMU or whoever?? Your only really safe if your 10th or better in final ranking before the selection criteria is implemented ?? 11 and 12 are still bubble teams best I understand it going into final selection.
 
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GVF said:
What screws Vandy and Miami is the G5 gauruntee. It's a paradox. A lesser school gets in to make post season opportunity available to all, but at the expense of two better teams they would likely never beat. If your ranked 12th in CFP your basically out?? Cause that G5 has to be let in. JMU or whoever?? Your only really safe if your 10th or better in final ranking before the selection criteria is implemented ?? 11 and 12 are still bubble teams best I understand it going into final selection.
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Yes and #10 is also a bubble team if you have teams that are not in the top 10 playing each other in the championship games - then it becomes a bubble.

You really need to be in the 1-9 space. But 9 can also be somewhat tricky.
 
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EZE said:
Sadly, I think the committee looks too much at the team names and not enough at the credentials.

Vandy is being penalized because it is Vandy.

ND is being rewarded because it is ND.
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ND is not the problem for Vandy. There is Miami, BYU and Texas (who they lost to) above them.

Vandy lost out when they lost to Texas and OU defeated both Tennessee and Bama. It has nothing to do with them being Vandy. They lost the games - just like we lost to GA and SC in 2022.

OU took their spot. Maybe they should ask OU to play them Saturday .. lol
 
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GVF said:
What screws Vandy and Miami is the G5 gauruntee. It's a paradox. A lesser school gets in to make post season opportunity available to all, but at the expense of two better teams they would likely never beat. If your ranked 12th in CFP your basically out?? Cause that G5 has to be let in. JMU or whoever?? Your only really safe if your 10th or better in final ranking before the selection criteria is implemented ?? 11 and 12 are still bubble teams best I understand it going into final selection.
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Yeah, and the major P4 schools won't push for a CFP change because they get to beat up on a G5 school vs taking a chance that someone like Vandy has a great year/game.

CFP wants more diversity to sell ads for the games so they're not interested in condensing the field to mostly SEC and B1G teams.

There's a lot of PR in keeping teams "bubbled" so their fans will watch and say "we would have beaten _____ who got in."

LOTS of similar statements will appear on VN during the CFP of how "the Vols would've killed these guys" which sounds like KA-CHING to the CFP because we're watching.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Yes and #10 is also a bubble team if you have teams that are not in the top 10 playing each other in the championship games - then it becomes a bubble.

You really need to be in the 1-9 space. But 9 can also be somewhat tricky.
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So with the ACC game having UVA (10-2, #17) and Duke at 5 losses (unranked) and they win, that will really screw a team somewhere in there. And likely screws someone if UVA wins at #17. Either way, the ACC seems to be bung holing someone with that matchup. Heck them and miami at #12 are the only two they got in Top 20. And losing to UVA really messed up the selection critieria for some teams hoping to fall up.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Yeah, and the major P4 schools won't push for a CFP change because they get to beat up on a G5 school vs taking a chance that someone like Vandy has a great year/game.

CFP wants more diversity to sell ads for the games so they're not interested in condensing the field to mostly SEC and B1G teams.

There's a lot of PR in keeping teams "bubbled" so their fans will watch and say "we would have beaten _____ who got in."

LOTS of similar statements will appear on VN during the CFP of how "the Vols would've killed these guys" which sounds like KA-CHING to the CFP because we're watching.
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That's what I like about the 24 team FCS format. Keeps some viable bubble P4 teams that would otherwise be out on technicalities, but makes room for more G5 to keep it happy. Then dump the bowls. FCS round one and maybe round two play homefields before they start going off site. Or maybe all the way till making it to nashville. JMU, NT, Tulane and one or two other "deserving" G5's all get in, and you still got room for 19-20 P4's. All conference winners are in +1 highest ranked remaining G5, and the rest at large highest ranked P4. Something like that would solve a lot.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Yeah, and the major P4 schools won't push for a CFP change because they get to beat up on a G5 school vs taking a chance that someone like Vandy has a great year/game.

CFP wants more diversity to sell ads for the games so they're not interested in condensing the field to mostly SEC and B1G teams.

There's a lot of PR in keeping teams "bubbled" so their fans will watch and say "we would have beaten _____ who got in."

LOTS of similar statements will appear on VN during the CFP of how "the Vols would've killed these guys" which sounds like KA-CHING to the CFP because we're watching.
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As far as fan and school PR arguing about who got placed where in bowls and how final rankings ended up, nothing will ever replace the excitement and frustration of pre-BCS post season drama.
 
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I think they would need more than 1 game to make their case. Here's an idea that I think would help Vandy.

One game isn't enough, so we need a pretty good sample size. It obviously needs to match up timing wise with school being in session. most colleges that is 15 weeks. 15 games would be too much, so lets do 12 games, thats a pretty good sample size. that gives them a couple breaks to help with injuries and avoid finals.

now they need someone to play, I suggest some sort regional play where you play schools within the same geographic region for the most part. this way you get some interplay and head to head match ups for good comparisons at the end of the 12 games. of course you can throw in some other teams just for different data points. but mostly you are playing your neighbors, and as you have multiple years of this, you get some good long term data on generally who is "good" or not.

to that end maybe we come out with some form of system to order the teams based on their perceived strengths. looking at how these teams do in those 12 games to give some form of judgement without relying on the raw data. probably need some sort of group to make those judgements based on the data at hand.

I think once all of that is done, Vandy will have a pretty good case for the playoff committee. just do good enough, and you are in.
 
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GVF said:
That's what I like about the 24 team FCS format. Keeps some viable bubble P4 teams that would otherwise be out on technicalities, but makes room for more G5 to keep it happy. Then dump the bowls. FCS round one and maybe round two play homefields before they start going off site. Or maybe all the way till making it to nashville. JMU, NT, Tulane and one or two other "deserving" G5's all get in, and you still got room for 19-20 P4's. All conference winners are in +1 highest ranked remaining G5, and the rest at large highest ranked P4. Something like that would solve a lot.
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I'm torn.

I love watching good football on TV so I'm the perfect "expand the playoffs" guy to an extent.

On the other hand, I don't want to see JMU get obliterated by Oregon for 15 minutes then watch Oregon's 2nd and 3rd string also run over them.

I just want to watch reasonable match ups. I'm not a "let's hang a 70 burger on some poor team who is collecting their entire Athletic Dept budget from this game" fan. I'd rather struggle with an SEC team than watch that.
 
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The G5 guarantee needs to go away. If you have teams like Boise State of the past who were good and in the top 10, then give them a spot. But they should never be guaranteed a spot.

Notre Dame should also be forced to join a conference. No conference, no spot.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm torn.

I love watching good football on TV so I'm the perfect "expand the playoffs" guy to an extent.

On the other hand, I don't want to see JMU get obliterated by Oregon for 15 minutes then watch Oregon's 2nd and 3rd string also run over them.

I just want to watch reasonable match ups. I'm not a "let's hang a 70 burger on some poor team who is collecting their entire Athletic Dept budget from this game" fan. I'd rather struggle with an SEC team than watch that.
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I get it, but if you adopt that model, even if you tweak it, it goes along way to kill the arguments, lesser teams get rewarded and 2025's Texas, Miami, and Vandy get in and make up for the light games. The blowouts can happen with all 12 teams being P4, so that's not a given. Happened to more than just us last year. Happened to TnTech against a 7-5 North Dakota in 1st round this year. But I think overall the 24 team playoff makes it a better and stronger field overall even if the Tulane's, NT's, and JMU are set up for a blowout. Plus, the chance of excitement when they do knock someone off. As a fan in general, that model allows you to see if someone like Vandy can hang and run the table. That carrys more than a G5 getting rocked. Heck, Texas was only SEC team to make it past their 1st game last year. Conference repping is no promise.
 
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