'13 GA LB Zach Barnes

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GLDunlap said:
Someone please tell Dooley this is The University Of Tennessee not Tennessee Tech. I would have rather had Khalid Henderson from last year. Makes absolutely no sense and for those saying they trust Dooley's evaluation don't expect more then 1-2 of these "diamonds in the rough to pan out". Of course with this type recruiting Dooley's not going to be able to save his job by saying "but but look at this great class we got coming in". Dooley is azz backwards taking commitments the last resort guys first. Is he just trying to piss Dave Hart's new coach off? No that's not a serious question. I don't think anyway...
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Thanks for your opinion, coach! Are you a football coach somewhere...other than your local peewee squad maybe? I am guessing that you are not. The same thing happened last summer...we took commits from a few guys that no one had even heard of hardly, and they blew up their senior year with many programs wanting them.

I don't believe that you have ANY idea the mess that Dooley inherited 2 1/2 years ago...the mess that was left by Fulmer (who you probably think should still be here) and Kiffin (whose one class that he recruited only has about 30-40% of them remaining on the roster, if that). The jury is still out on whether DD is the head coach for our future; however, there is no doubt about it that he has been the right guy to get our program turned back around and headed in the right direction. We will find out starting in a few short months, as to whether he is the right man to finish this off. Come December if we are in the same spot as we are in right now, then your arguments will be more justified than they are now.
 
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GLDunlap said:
There is no doubt that rivals, scout etc will miss players but in modern history teams full of 2 and 3 star players have never won in the SEC. There is always going to be the surprise player and there is nothing wrong with taking a flyer on a overlooked kid but to take this many this early doesn't bode well. I don't see what Dooley has done to earn so much of your blind faith in recruiting? If he had a track record of finding those overlooked gems then I could get on board but he doesn't.

btw, I could care less where he gets rated if he can play. I just don't buy that Dooley is able to spot all these studs that are flying under all the other SEC teams radars. It's not about how many stars a kid has it's more about who else is recruiting them. We are taking to many kids that nobody in the SEC wants and I just don't think it's because of Dooley's evaluating skills.
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Im pretty sure that dooley has gotten kids in each class who started out "under the radar" and ended up with plenty of stars and sec offers. Two examples from last years class: peterman and otha. Chaney got oeterman on the camp circuit when not many were talking about him. Didnt he end up a 4* qb? Peters was also unknown, committed to us, got big bump in his rating as his year progressed and was sought after enough for Arkansas to steal him away from us. Its fine if you dont want to trust the staff, but factually speaking they have done nothing to prove they cannot evaluate talent. Quite the opposite actually. They have gotten guys that everyone wants and they have gotten guys not a lot of people were on but who ended up being highly thought of by both scouting services and other staffs. If you want to question coaching ability there is admittedly much more doubt, but talent evaluation is a strong suit for our guys.
 
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craighead said:
Sadly, i totally agree. It's fine to take a project or two in each class, but you can't have a class with 10-12 of them which seems to be the direction we're heading.
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I believe someone said bamas last class had 9 3 stars.
But whatever. If you have an opinion based off of nothing, go ahead. Most people with half a brain realize the position coach and DC are bigger players in the decision than Dooley. They only coach D1 at UT and have seen talent on the field for years. Why the hell would they know what to look for as a teammate and player?

Again, go ahead and trust non athletes that blog or run stats over coaches that played ball and coach for a living.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Again, go ahead and trust non athletes that blog or run stats over coaches that played ball and coach for a living.
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They agree about 60% of the time.

I'm not a huge fan of scouting services but look at the last 10 national champs. They all had a top 3 class a year or two before winning a NC.

The services are going to bust a few but so are the coaches, it happens.
 
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GLDunlap said:
There is no doubt that rivals, scout etc will miss players but in modern history teams full of 2 and 3 star players have never won in the SEC. There is always going to be the surprise player and there is nothing wrong with taking a flyer on a overlooked kid but to take this many this early doesn't bode well. I don't see what Dooley has done to earn so much of your blind faith in recruiting? If he had a track record of finding those overlooked gems then I could get on board but he doesn't.

btw, I could care less where he gets rated if he can play. I just don't buy that Dooley is able to spot all these studs that are flying under all the other SEC teams radars. It's not about how many stars a kid has it's more about who else is recruiting them. We are taking to many kids that nobody in the SEC wants and I just don't think it's because of Dooley's evaluating skills.
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I don't think we've signed many under the radar kids that have remained under the radar. The only ones are the Tennessee speed kids. All others have solid offers. You should have learned that July isn't solid on a kids offer list or star rating anyways. Look at Peterman. Same deal as this and everyone complained up until he climbed the FL QB ranks and started his HS football.

I don't see how trusting Dooley in recruiting is blind faith. He's been an RC and in the SEC for a long time. Nick "Mr. Excitement" Saban didn't want Dooley to join his bama staff because of blind faith. The guy knows talent and knows what he wants. One thing I don't question him in is recruiting. Does that mean I think all these kids will blow up? No. It's a wait and see approach rather than a woe is me approach.
 
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Not sure why all the complaining is about Dooley taking this kid, according to VQ it was all Sunseri. They said he was the only standout DL from the OL/DL camp recently so they invited him back to see if he could play LB because they feel he's too small for DL. He showed up this week and performed well and Sunseri wants him as OLB.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
This is a perfect example of someone being logical. Too bad you will be bashed and so will I for agreeing.
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The obligatory "you have logic and no one else does but I won't submit my own argument because I don't have one and everyone just hates on us" comment. Lovely. You are being bashed for being a nincompoop. Not for your position btw.
 
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GLDunlap said:
Someone please tell Dooley this is The University Of Tennessee not Tennessee Tech. I would have rather had Khalid Henderson from last year. Makes absolutely no sense and for those saying they trust Dooley's evaluation don't expect more then 1-2 of these "diamonds in the rough to pan out". Of course with this type recruiting Dooley's not going to be able to save his job by saying "but but look at this great class we got coming in". Dooley is azz backwards taking commitments the last resort guys first. Is he just trying to piss Dave Hart's new coach off? No that's not a serious question. I don't think anyway...
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Tell us how you really feel
 
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GLDunlap said:
blah blah blah blah just like our record and future under Dooley blah blah blah blah
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Have you read anything in this thread? Or, did you just look at the guy's Rivals profile to check the star count? I really hope you've realized that Sunseri was the reason for this commitment. From what I've read, it sounds like CDD had nothing to do with it.
 
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The problem with your argument is most of this staff has seen and coached big time "NFL" and "Collegiate" talent.
They should know what it is suppose to look like.
My point is that this staff should be better at evaluating talent than most of the posters on this board.

The key will be coaching (developing talent and team concepts) and competing @ a high level against elite teams. Which is something we have not seen for a few seasons.
 
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The commitment of Zach Barnes was definitely a surprise. He was basically the only defensive standout at Tennessee's lineman camp a few weeks ago and the Vols wanted to see if he could play linebacker because he was too small to play on the line.

He showed out at camp earlier in the week and the Vols felt like he was good enough to play for them. Sal Sunseri was key in getting Barnes to return to camp after his initial performance at UT. Barnes knew he had a great chance for an offer if he showed well, and his early projections would have him as an OLB in Sunseri's system.
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- VQ

I don't see CDD mentioned anywhere. People love to hate CDD.
 
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DaytonLawVol said:
Thats not what I said. If Saban, Miles, Stoops, Meyer want a guy that nobody else knows about...cool. If Derek Dooley and company want someone that nobody has heard of....hmmmm
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Now we all get it! In your opinion the coaches at our great university aren't quallified to judge the skill set of hs football players. Thank you for the assessment of our coaching staff.
 
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BUCKVOL2020 said:
The problem with your argument is most of this staff has seen and coached big time "NFL" and "Collegiate" talent.
They should know what it is suppose to look like.
My point is that this staff should be better at evaluating talent than most of the posters on this board.

The key will be coaching (developing talent and team concepts) and competing @ a high level against elite teams. Which is something we have not seen for a few seasons.
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Well said! Thank you!
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Ron Swanson said:
Not sure why all the complaining is about Dooley taking this kid, according to VQ it was all Sunseri. They said he was the only standout DL from the OL/DL camp recently so they invited him back to see if he could play LB because they feel he's too small for DL. He showed up this week and performed well and Sunseri wants him as OLB.
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Finally, some info that makes sense. Thank you.
 
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PA Vol said:
Bama currently recruits at a higher level than we do.

Sal knows what he's doing.

Why after two and a half pages are we still arguing about this?
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That is true that Alabama recruits at a higher level than we do and I believe the Sal knows what he is doing. The hard part for UT is to get these top 100 players, they want to go to a team with an excellent chance to win the SEC or at least play in a BCS bowl. Most recruits don't see UT in that light. Got to beat a team this season that nobody gives us much a chance ie Florida, S. Car or Georgia. That might open the door for some great talent to come to UT. Hope this downturn doesn't last 10 years (already on year 4 ) don't think it will. I'm hoping Sal can put a defense out there this season that can upset a more talented team. Chaney won't have any excuses if he can't score 30 points a game this season. GO VOLS!!!
 
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Heres the deal. The coaches see something in a player they like and believe they can develope that player. Players like this usually start contributing around their jr year. Alot of the "star Ranking" by recruiting services is based on how soon a player will contribute at the collegiate level. According to recruiting services that label a kid with 5 star status, that kid should contribute immediately at the collegiate level.
In this case, the kid plays de in hs, he will be a lb here. I seriously doubt most recruiting service talent evaluators can watch a hs kid playing de and see he has what it takes to be a lb. If they could, they would most likely be making alot more money coaching instead of working for a recruiting service.
Sal has seen and developed enough lbers in his day to know what he is doing. Sal, not Dooley, is the coach that made the call on this kid. Sal has alot of freedom when it comes to recruiting on the defensive side of the ball.
So you people can piss and moan all you want, its not going to change a thing. May as well get behind the team and coaches. One thing for sure, if the program is not heading in the right direction, Hart will make the necessary changes.:twocents:
 
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skeeter33418 said:
Heres the deal. The coaches see something in a player they like and believe they can develope that player. Players like this usually start contributing around their jr year. Alot of the "star Ranking" by recruiting services is based on how soon a player will contribute at the collegiate level. According to recruiting services that label a kid with 5 star status, that kid should contribute immediately at the collegiate level.
In this case, the kid plays de in hs, he will be a lb here. I seriously doubt most recruiting service talent evaluators can watch a hs kid playing de and see he has what it takes to be a lb. If they could, they would most likely be making alot more money coaching instead of working for a recruiting service.
Sal has seen and developed enough lbers in his day to know what he is doing. Sal, not Dooley, is the coach that made the call on this kid. Sal has alot of freedom when it comes to recruiting on the defensive side of the ball.
So you people can piss and moan all you want, its not going to change a thing. May as well get behind the team and coaches. One thing for sure, if the program is not heading in the right direction, Hart will make the necessary changes.:twocents:
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Boom
 
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My only concern w/ Barnes & our pick up of him is this, he plays on the same team as the #1 player in the nation. Which means ALOT of schools have seen film of this team & have went to watch their games & practices in person, yet only 3 schools ( Southern Miss, Indiana, & Tennessee ) have felt like he deserves a scholarship to play. Hopefully Sal proves me wrong b/c he knows a hell of a lot more about football & LB's than me.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
My only concern w/ Barnes & our pick up of him is this, he plays on the same team as the #1 player in the nation. Which means ALOT of schools have seen film of this team & have went to watch their games & practices in person, yet only 3 schools ( Southern Miss, Indiana, & Tennessee ) have felt like he deserves a scholarship to play. Hopefully Sal proves me wrong b/c he knows a hell of a lot more about football & LB's than me.
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But of course his recruiting can pick up during his senior year in the coming months. Wait and see approach works well here I think!
 
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