'12 JUCO WR Cordarrelle Patterson (UT signee)

[wU-Tang Vol]

I'd like to see Candy go 2-10.

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[Bjorn_Yesterday]

Um... Eastern division standings.

Um...I def don't want James Franklin or that joke of a program getting a quality win.

 

[Coastypop]

The passing game will set up the running game. Times have changed. Look at the best NFL offenses (Packers, Saints, Pats), that's what our offensive philosophy will resemble.
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That is how Spurrier beat us so often in the 90's... throw in the first half and keep us off balance then run right at our tired D in the second :hi:

 

[Orange Studs]

That is how Spurrier beat us so often in the 90's... throw in the first half and keep us off balance then run right at our tired D in the second :hi:

Until our O can have success running the ball their D will play us to throw. Thats why in our case we need to establish the run to show them that they will have to respect the run. I'm just saying that in our case we have to prove we can in order to opening up our passing game. jmo

 

[chandlerbing]

Until our O can have success running the ball their D will play us to throw. Thats why in our case we need to establish the run to show them that they will have to respect the run. I'm just saying that in our case we have to prove we can in order to opening up our passing game. jmo

This philosophy only applies when all things are equal. Football is mostly about match ups. If Justin Hunter is back to his regular form from last year, DR seems to have improved, and CP is half of what we think he can be, teams won't be able to really stop our passing game even if they want to. Rivera will be wide open underneath and in the seams and whoever the RB is will have a lot of open space and 1v1's vs a MLB with a ton of room to run towards. There is a reason why Tyler is working on his checkdowns a lot this year. The underneath routes are going to be open all day with our deep threat passing attack.

Sure it will be great and make our offense completely balanced and pretty much unstoppable if we can find a good running game, but with the talent we have at WR compared to who is covering them, having a good running game won't really matter much in the grand scheme of things. But it would be nice to have a good running game to close out teams and kill some clock and finish off scoring drives in the redzone and not have to depend on Palardy to kick fg's.

Fixing the running game is important mostly for recruiting and as a back up plan in case we have key injuries. Last year it was obvious when JH went down and later Bray went down our offense was totally 1 dimensional. This year the coaches seem intent on not letting that happen again. I like the way our offensive staff is preparing the team this offseason.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

This philosophy only applies when all things are equal. Football is mostly about match ups. If Justin Hunter is back to his regular form from last year, DR seems to have improved, and CP is half of what we think he can be, teams won't be able to really stop our passing game even if they want to. Rivera will be wide open underneath and in the seams and whoever the RB is will have a lot of open space and 1v1's vs a MLB with a ton of room to run towards. There is a reason why Tyler is working on his checkdowns a lot this year. The underneath routes are going to be open all day with our deep threat passing attack.

Sure it will be great and make our offense completely balanced and pretty much unstoppable if we can find a good running game, but with the talent we have at WR compared to who is covering them, having a good running game won't really matter much in the grand scheme of things. But it would be nice to have a good running game to close out teams and kill some clock and finish off scoring drives in the redzone and not have to depend on Palardy to kick fg's.

Fixing the running game is important mostly for recruiting and as a back up plan in case we have key injuries. Last year it was obvious when JH went down and later Bray went down our offense was totally 1 dimensional. This year the coaches seem intent on not letting that happen again. I like the way our offensive staff is preparing the team this offseason.

We don't have to have a balanced offense. We don need to be able to run the ball when we want to. If we can not run the football, we we be trying to kick a lot of field goals and we all know how that has been going. Back in the late 1990s, we threw the ball all over the field, but we had the ability to run the ball when we wanted especially in the red zone. Running the ball also keeps the defense off the field and they don't get so tired late in the game. Many of the games we lost over the last two years we could have won if we had a decent running game.

 

[Orange Studs]

This philosophy only applies when all things are equal. Football is mostly about match ups. If Justin Hunter is back to his regular form from last year, DR seems to have improved, and CP is half of what we think he can be, teams won't be able to really stop our passing game even if they want to. Rivera will be wide open underneath and in the seams and whoever the RB is will have a lot of open space and 1v1's vs a MLB with a ton of room to run towards. There is a reason why Tyler is working on his checkdowns a lot this year. The underneath routes are going to be open all day with our deep threat passing attack.

Sure it will be great and make our offense completely balanced and pretty much unstoppable if we can find a good running game, but with the talent we have at WR compared to who is covering them, having a good running game won't really matter much in the grand scheme of things. But it would be nice to have a good running game to close out teams and kill some clock and finish off scoring drives in the redzone and not have to depend on Palardy to kick fg's.

Fixing the running game is important mostly for recruiting and as a back up plan in case we have key injuries. Last year it was obvious when JH went down and later Bray went down our offense was totally 1 dimensional. This year the coaches seem intent on not letting that happen again. I like the way our offensive staff is preparing the team this offseason.

I don't think you recruit Green, karama, or Henry as a backup plan. I am not against passing more than running but you can't totally rely on passing. The running game is still important and that's why the coaches worked so hard on it this past spring.

 

[chandlerbing]

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. I think most people know how a good running game can help an offense. If we can find a good running game, then i think it's going to a special season for us. However, it's not imperative that we have a strong running game for our offense to score a lot of points.

What teams will have a 2nd and 3rd DB capable of covering our #2 and #3 WR's in single coverage? Who will you double team and slide coverages towards? Teams will have to run a lot of Nickel and dime defenses against us, which means match up problems vs the run and rb screens along with check downs. Teams will have to be perfect in their tackling to stop Raijon, DY, and Neal coming out of the backfield (All 3 have shown great abilities in the passing game).

Hell the west coast offense (which we don't run, we run a offense much more similar to the NE patriots) uses screen passes and short quick passes as a substitute for the running game. Go put on some Eagles film when they had westbrook, or the Raiders with gannon and garner, or the 80's 49ers as examples. You don't need to run the ball if you have a QB that is elite and is making good decisions and a set of great WR's. Look at the run and shoot offense of the Oilers back with Warren Moon, or Marino and the dolphins. None of those teams had any running game to speak of for the most part.

We lost games last year because of many reasons, not just because of a lack of a running game. The running game will only come up as an issue against a couple teams i.e. LSU and Bama, one of which we don't play this year. Teams with an elite D-line that can get to the QB consistently will cause problems for any passing offense, no matter how good the OL is. In that scenario you have to run at the DE's and DT's charging up field and force them to hesitate and slow down their aggressive pass rush, but thats about it. UGA will have a good front 7, but their secondary is crap and they have no depth, and even though they will load up to stop the pass, that is a team that can be abused through the air despite them being in nickel and dime. UGA will be tough to run on with the rotation of big 350lb NT's plus Jones coming off the edge and ogletree in the middle stopping the run. They have a very good front 7 returning this year. No one else on our schedule, including UF has a secondary that can keep up with our offense. UF's db's are small, they hold a lot, and the UF pass rush is not very good despite all of the 5 star talent. Losing Easley and Powell to ACL's kills what little pass rush they had last year and will hurt UF's defense vs us early in the season. They may play this year, but neither will be explosive or anywhere near last years versions coming off those injuries as late as they did.

 

[chandlerbing]

I don't think you recruit Green, karama, or Henry as a backup plan. I am not against passing more than running but you can't totally rely on passing. The running game is still important and that's why the coaches worked so hard on it this past spring.

For this year its a back up plan, and another option to close out games and get us some key yards on short yardage situations and the redzone. I don't think you will see us running a lot between the 20's except for situations that call for it and the occasional running play to keep defenses off-balance.

This is the identity that suits this team the best. Our OL are natural pass blockers and most of them are not road graders. We don't have a complete RB, all of them have strengths and weaknesses, and we have a QB that has previously struggled with understanding the proper run checks, calls and fits. I'm quite sure they are trying to improve these areas as you always strive to improve in everything, but this offense this year will be a passing offense ala the NE offense.

For the future, i am fairly sure Dooley wants to run more and be a much more balanced offense because that is the philosophy he comes from, but you play to your strengths. Our offense has 3 of the best WR's in the country and a gun-slinging QB that has a great arm, excellent accuracy, tough in the pocket, feels the pass rush and is able to sidestep it and release passes from multiple throwing points. We have a set of 3 TE's that are all very good in the passing game, and we have 3 RB's that seem to be better in the passing game coming out of the backfield than between the tackles runners.

They will play to their strengths until defenses can prove they can stop our passing game (which i suspect only 2 or 3 teams as i mentioned previously are capable of doing). Teams must have a dominant pass rush to disrupt our offense or have 3 corners and a dominant safety that can cover for 3+ secs which the last time i looked very few teams on our schedule have.

 

[chandlerbing]

I have a question for you, why do you think Chaney and Dooley have been working on our hurry-up offense and increasing the natural tempo of the offense so much?

I hope you realize that speeding up the offense and increasing the number of plays your offense intends to run goes hand in hand with a passing offense, not a running team that wants to eat up clock and play conservative but great defense.

Another question, how come our defense is becoming much more aggressive and creating turnovers and negative plays seems seems to be such major points of focus this year?

Its pretty obvious we are going to roll out a defense that is going to go after turnovers and big plays and try to get off the field quickly in order to let our offense play more. All things being equal our offense if given enough chances will score a lot of points. Last year we had a defense that played the bend don't break style and we did not give up a lot of overall points but the defense stayed out on the field a ton, wore out and took chances away from our offense.

This year our team is built differently, and is in the mold of the Saints, Patriots, Packers style of aggressive play-making defenses, and high powered passing offenses.

I'd like to also point out the Giants just won the superbowl with the worst running game in the NFL this year, just to toss another successful team that could not find a running game. When have the Colts ever had any semblance of a running game?

 

[Demon_Vol]

Holy Great Wall of Text. Did you just type out Moby Dick?

 

[justingroves]

I have a question for you, why do you think Chaney and Dooley have been working on our hurry-up offense and increasing the natural tempo of the offense so much?

I hope you realize that speeding up the offense and increasing the number of plays your offense intends to run goes hand in hand with a passing offense, not a running team that wants to eat up clock and play conservative but great defense.

Another question, how come our defense is becoming much more aggressive and creating turnovers and negative plays seems seems to be such major points of focus this year?

Its pretty obvious we are going to roll out a defense that is going to go after turnovers and big plays and try to get off the field quickly in order to let our offense play more. All things being equal our offense if given enough chances will score a lot of points. Last year we had a defense that played the bend don't break style and we did not give up a lot of overall points but the defense stayed out on the field a ton, wore out and took chances away from our offense.

This year our team is built differently, and is in the mold of the Saints, Patriots, Packers style of aggressive play-making defenses, and high powered passing offenses.

I'd like to also point out the Giants just won the superbowl with the worst running game in the NFL this year, just to toss another successful team that could not find a running game. When have the Colts ever had any semblance of a running game?

Chip Kelly laughs

 

[chandlerbing]

I'm just pointing out the myth that in order to be a great offense you need to run the ball well.

That system works great if you have a great defense and a good fg kicker. It also helps if you have a great RB and road grading OL. I think it is safe to say most of the weak areas on our team or questionable areas are exactly the weaker element of our team, which are important parts to be able to play that brand of football and be sucessful.

Secondly, we do not run a lot of play action, and tyler does not do a lot of rollouts and bootlegs, so again having a strong running game is not important to our offensive system. We just need to be able to run the ball and improve in our short yardage and redzone offense. If we get to average or above average in that area, we will be putting up 35 ppg on average. That is really the only part of the run game we need to improve\fix. Most of the best teams in the NFL do not have a running game. Half of the college teams that have strong running games actually get most of their yardage from the QB position, which opens up a lot of holes for RB's with the zone reads, pitches, and options.

Reffing and rules changes have tied defenses hands a lot and there is only so much a defense can do in this era. The overwhelming majority of winning teams have been offensive passing teams, not running teams, not great defenses. Alabama and LSU last year were freakish aberrations, and neither team will have a defense anywhere close to as strong as they had last year, both lost key players from their defenses.

 

[chandlerbing]

Chip Kelly laughs

Uh do we have a running QB, do we play a option read spread offense, do we have 5 small guy that all run 4.4's on offense? Do we play in a weak ass pac-12 conference with defenses that are a freaking joke?

Chip kelly and Oregon wouldn't last for more than 4 games in the SEC. We saw how inferior they are in an early game vs LSU last year, imagine what they would do after playing 4-5 games as physical each week and imagine what that offense looks like. Gimmick offenses don't work in the NFL and they don't work in the SEC. Tebow was a freak and he was somehow strong enough to take the beatings week in and week out and still survive and play every week. The year he was injured, UF sucked, the years after he graduated, Meyer's offenses sucked. Meyer was able to manufacture points out of having the best special teams units in college football and he had great defenses with Charlie Strong to help support stagnant offenses without tebow, and again, he didn't have any success without Tebow. Having a running QB works in the pac 12, big 12, big 10 because those defenses are below average across the board. Take any SEC team, even the Vandy's, UK's, Miss St's and Ole Miss teams and they still have above average athletes, size and speed. The weekly beating and toll it takes on a small pure speed team with a running qb will never win in the SEC. Once in awhile guys like Tebow and Cam Newton come around who happen to be bigger than the guys tackling them, but those guys don't come around very often. Can't have continued success as a coach if you are building your offense on players that come around once every 5-10 years and you have to win the recruiting battle on top of it vs the other 5-6 big programs looking to do same thing.

NFL teams have too much speed and will kill the QB each successive week, by the time you get to the playoffs, your QB is done or already out anyways. SEC is the same way for the most part.

 

[justingroves]

Uh do we have a running QB, do we play a option read spread offense, do we have 5 small guy that all run 4.4's on offense? Do we play in a weak ass pac-12 conference with defenses that are a freaking joke?

Chip kelly and Oregon wouldn't last for more than 4 games in the SEC. We saw how inferior they are in an early game vs LSU last year, imagine what they would do after playing 4-5 games as physical each week and imagine what that offense looks like. Gimmick offenses don't work in the NFL and they don't work in the SEC. Tebow was a freak and he was somehow strong enough to take the beatings week in and week out and still survive and play every week. The year he was injured, UF sucked, the years after he graduated, Meyer's offenses sucked. Having a running QB works in the pac 12, big 12, big 10 because those defenses are below average across the board. Take any SEC team, even the Vandy's, UK's, Miss St's and Ole Miss teams and they still have above average athletes, size and speed. The weekly beating and toll it takes on a small pure speed team with a running qb will never win in the SEC. Once in awhile guys like Tebow and Cam Newton come around who happen to be bigger than the guys tackling them, but those guys don't come around very often. Can't have continued success as a coach if you are building your offense on players that come around once every 5-10 years and you have to win the recruiting battle on top of it vs the other 5-6 big programs looking to do same thing.

NFL teams have too much speed and will kill the QB each successive week, by the time you get to the playoffs, your QB is done or already out anyways. SEC is the same way for the most part.

Gus Malzahn and Cam Newton laugh

 

[chandlerbing]

Gus Malzahn and Cam Newton laugh

What was Auburns record last year Einstein? What will it be this year?

 

[chandlerbing]

Gus Malzahn and Cam Newton laugh

LSU and BAMA laugh at Chip Kelly and Oregon, and Auburn and Malzahn.

Also where is Malzahn now again......Arksansas state, yes i am sure he is laughing.

 

[GLDunlap]

I'm just pointing out the myth that in order to be a great offense you need to run the ball well.

That system works great if you have a great defense and a good fg kicker. It also helps if you have a great RB and road grading OL. I think it is safe to say most of the weak areas on our team or questionable areas are exactly the weaker element of our team, which are important parts to be able to play that brand of football and be sucessful.

Secondly, we do not run a lot of play action, and tyler does not do a lot of rollouts and bootlegs, so again having a strong running game is not important to our offensive system. We just need to be able to run the ball and improve in our short yardage and redzone offense. If we get to average or above average in that area, we will be putting up 35 ppg on average. That is really the only part of the run game we need to improve\fix. Most of the best teams in the NFL do not have a running game. Half of the college teams that have strong running games actually get most of their yardage from the QB position, which opens up a lot of holes for RB's with the zone reads, pitches, and options.

Reffing and rules changes have tied defenses hands a lot and there is only so much a defense can do in this era. The overwhelming majority of winning teams have been offensive passing teams, not running teams, not great defenses. Alabama and LSU last year were freakish aberrations, and neither team will have a defense anywhere close to as strong as they had last year, both lost key players from their defenses.

To put up great offensive stats you don't have to be a great running team. To be a great team and to win big games you have to be able to run the ball well enough to have decent balance and/or have a dominating defense. The Giants last year were an average football team that got hot late in the year when their running game improved. When the Colts won the superbowl in 2006 they had almost 200 yards rushing. The Colts even with Manning have always been better with a good running back. I think that for proof of Tennessee's need for a running game just look at history. When have we ever had a great team without a good to great running back?

 

[chandlerbing]

To put up great offensive stats you don't have to be a great running team. To be a great team and to win big games you have to be able to run the ball well enough to have decent balance and/or have a dominating defense. The Giants last year were an average football team that got hot late in the year when their running game improved. When the Colts won the superbowl in 2006 they had almost 200 yards rushing. The Colts even with Manning have always been better with a good running back. I think that for proof of Tennessee's need for a running game just look at history. When have we ever had a great team without a good to great running back?

All those peyton years it was our defense that killed us vs UF. The ole Ball coach had Chavis's number. Graham fumbling it 3x one year sure didn't help either.

Not being able to stop Matt Mauck and option read QB's has been a big problem over the years. Nebraska's option team running it down our throats, again a big problem. I can't really remember when i felt our lack of a running game was the problem or the solution. Every year we lost big games it sure as hell wasn't because our RB's didn't play well. You will not find many better RB's then the list of RB's we had from 88-2002, and in pretty much every one of the big games we lost, it was our defense not showing up, not a lack of a running game.

Also i am not sure why you are bringing up previous Vol offenses and teams up to support your argument.

We have a completely different offense and OC in Chaney. Cutcliffe was definitely a more traditional OC running a very pro-style offense. It is also a big reason why WR's took a lot longer to develop and why we needed to depend on our running game. We had 2 fantastic RB's in Arian Foster and Montario Hardesty and every guy on that OL is playing in the league right now minus Josh McNeil and we still couldn't put up points. Having an elite QB cures all problems, and we have one folks, sit back and enjoy the ride, this year is going to be fun to watch.

 

[justingroves]

LSU and BAMA laugh at Chip Kelly and Oregon, and Auburn and Malzahn.

Also where is Malzahn now again......Arksansas state, yes i am sure he is laughing.

You aren't very bright are you?

 

[StoVol]

You aren't very bright are you?

He's offered a lot more evidence rather than insults... Unlike you... It is possible to disagree civilly without getting butthurt

 

[Ron Swanson]

He's offered a lot more evidence rather than insults... Unlike you... It is possible to disagree civilly without getting butthurt

The poster you quoted only knows how to post insults and hate. I believe he turned to the dark side after the Kentucky loss, he's a lost cause.

 

[BarrythesnoUT]

The poster you quoted only knows how to post insults and hate. I believe he turned to the dark side after the Kentucky loss, he's a lost cause.

It's pretty telling that he responds to a series of what I think are intelligent posts with a one-liner insult that has no substance to it. Fail.

 

[hep]

Chandler made some great points. Thanks for taking the time to post thoughtful, detailed posts.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Chandler made some great points. Thanks for taking the time to post thoughtful, detailed posts.

Please start a thread for chandlerbing to discuss different offensive strategies. I agree he is a good writer. However, this is a thread about CP not what y'all are discussing ad nauseum...please leave this thread for CP.

He will do great things for UT! Jmo