'12 Fl LB Kenneth Bynum (UT commit 2/15)

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I4Jay said:
guy had offers from Butch Davis and Ron Zook. yeah, youre kidding yourselves if you think he isnt an absolute take

yea hes not OP or Santos but he damn sure aint Crump
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OP no, Santos I'm not sure I think he's over hyped.
 
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We really need this guy just to help soften the blow of Peters. I'm ok with Santos, saw that coming, but Peters was a "Jelly of the Month Club" kind of surprise." I had half a mind to ask cousin Eddie to bring Otha to my house for Christmas.
Come on Bynum, we neeeed another good LB.
 
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Dbake005 said:
I agree with you. This isn't even considering the fact that part of the way through the season, the juco or freshman players could get way more of a feel of it. Sal has his fair share of tools to fool around with, and our first three receivers are downright exciting.
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WR depth was a priority in this class. We signed 4 studs. We needed immediate help and future help. We got both. CP will be an impact player this year and Croom, Bowles, and Howard will provide depth this year and be big contributors as early as next year.

We also landed a good class of DL. McCullers and Sentimore will immediately be in the 2-deep. O'Brien and Taylor may be ready to contribute this year.
 
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OCIVol said:
WR depth was a priority in this class. We signed 4 studs. We needed immediate help and future help. We got both. CP will be an impact player this year and Croom, Bowles, and Howard will provide depth this year and be big contributors as early as next year.

We also landed a good class of DL. McCullers and Sentimore will immediately be in the 2-deep. O'Brien and Taylor may be ready to contribute this year.
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Holding onto McNeil and Gray was pretty huge too. McNeil will be a definite contributor in the backfield, just has the playmaking ability about him. As for Gray, his blazing speed will provide a spark in the backfield in due time. Most likely red shirt's this year, but once he catches on he will be a great player for Tennessee imo. Very happy with the outcome thus far, aside from Santos and Peters of course.
 
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I4Jay said:
guy had offers from Butch Davis and Ron Zook. yeah, youre kidding yourselves if you think he isnt an absolute take

yea hes not OP or Santos but he damn sure aint Crump
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OP really stings to me. I found myself almost relieved when Santos flipped. I do not think he was an immediate contributor and fully believe UT would have recruited over him. I think he will always be inhibited by an inability to play in pass coverage unless he moves to the DL. His best potential is probably at DT... not even DE.
 
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OCIVol said:
WR depth was a priority in this class. We signed 4 studs. We needed immediate help and future help. We got both. CP will be an impact player this year and Croom, Bowles, and Howard will provide depth this year and be big contributors as early as next year.

We also landed a good class of DL. McCullers and Sentimore will immediately be in the 2-deep. O'Brien and Taylor may be ready to contribute this year.
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I agree with you on WRs. It wasn't as glamorous of a position as some of our fans thought. I think dallas and rajion step up more, which leaves growth time for the high school guys from this class. It's heading towards depth instead of necessity to play them.

I can't decide what type of player Patterson will be yet...
 
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why is this kid not a better option at LB than Justin King who has not been a full time LB yet but is expected to make the transition?
 
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I4Jay said:
why is this kid not a better option at LB than Justin King who has not been a full time LB yet but is expected to make the transition?
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Jay, is this kids offer list legit? Shows he has offers from Cincinnati, Illinois, North Carolina, NC State, Rutgers, Southern Miss, Stanford, and West Virginia.
 
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illinois and WVA offers were commitable

trying to find out about UNC.

not sure about Stanford, if there'sany proof that he was able to get admitted then that would say that was a legit offer too
 
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I4Jay said:
illinois and WVA offers were commitable

trying to find out about UNC.

not sure about Stanford, if there'sany proof that he was able to get admitted then that would say that was a legit offer too
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I'd take this kid even if we held onto Peters.
 
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I4Jay said:
guy had offers from Butch Davis and Ron Zook. yeah, youre kidding yourselves if you think he isnt an absolute take

yea hes not OP or Santos but he damn sure aint Crump
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Remind me, where are those two coaching again?
 
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u can not be that silly...

those coaches know more defense and evaluate talent better than justin damn wilcox.

go back look at who butch and zooker put in the nfl and then re-think your comment.
 
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I4Jay said:
u can not be that silly...

those coaches know more defense and evaluate talent better than justin damn wilcox.

go back look at who butch and zooker put in the nfl and then re-think your comment.
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I agree. They both are better talent evaluators than Wilcox. Wilcox was terrible at recuiting and recognizing talent.

And I am very familiar with Zook and Davis' previous work. They have put some guys in the NFL for sure. Especially Davis.

But that wasn't the point I was making at all. Well, first of all Butch Davis didn't coach anywhere last season. And he was fired from UNC in June or July. I don't know when UNC apparently offered this Bynum prospect, but if it was anytime after that it wasn't Davis offering.

Anyway, my point was they both are currently unemployed. Meaning, they both weren't really living up to their coaching expectations at their respective schools (which aren't prestigious football colleges anyway). Illinios hadn't done much of anything under Zook and he got fired for it. Same with Davis pretty much. Yes, he did beat UT while at UNC, but UNC still wasn't doing anything on a national level.

Yeah Zook and Davis had previously coached and evaluated some great talent in the past. But that was when they were at Florida or Miami. They weren't attracting the same athletes to Illinois or UNC. So what I am ultimately saying is Zook and Davis offering Bynum means nothing to me. Yeah, they offered and evaluated great talent in the past, but it is different now and they knew that. They would have never offered this kid to play while they were coaching in their primes @ UF or UM. Getting an offer from UNC or Illinois means nothing to me, but the Bynum kid can play at a middle level ACC or middle level Big-10 school. No matter the coach.

Can you kind of understand where I'm coming from? Sorry for the extra long post.
 
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This kids a take all the way, but he is definitely a fall back option.

We would not be on him if we had OP or DS signed.

Sometimes these things work out for the best.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
How many players did Butch Davis put in the league at UNC?
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I'd say around 20 or so. But I don't know the exact number. He put a few good ones in the NFL from UNC. Hakeem Nicks, Robert Quinn, Bruce Carter, Marvin Austin, Greg Little. That is about it from UNC. He had tons more from Miami. And that is my exact point.

Yeah he is great at evaluating talent. But that really has nothing to do with him offering (if he did) Bynum. He is in a completely different situation now then he was in the past.

He could get any recruit he wanted when he was coaching for Miami. It is easy to recruit a kid to a top national program and the best team in the ACC (Or was UM in the Big East then?). Anyway he then was coaching at an underachieving UNC football team that was usually middle of the pack in the weak ACC. Completely different situation.

Davis offering Bynum doesn't impress me, because that is the type of player he was basically forced to recruit at UNC. Sure, Davis might have landed a few 4* and 5* recruits while at UNC, but mostly had to settle for under-the-radar 3* recruits. And that is what Bynum is, IMO.

Not trying to be down on him, he is a solid HS player. And I'm sure he has potential. I really just want UT to save these spots for next year's recruiting class.
 
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no you arent making sense.

those two evaluate defense very well...

defense was not reason they arent head coaches right now.

do u see what im saying?
 
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I4Jay said:
no you arent making sense.

those two evaluate defense very well...

defense was not reason they arent head coaches right now.

do u see what im saying?
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Yes. I agreed with you that they both evaluate defense well. I never said they did not.

You aren't seeing my point. My point is they were both in different situations in their last college destinations (Illinios & UNC) compared to when they really had their talent (@Miami & UF).

AKA. Davis and Zook didn't offer Bynum because they thought, "Hey this Bynum kid is super talented and underrated. I know he is a 3* and has a crap offer list, but I think he is much better than that and we are getting a big steal". IMO, Davis and Zook offered Bynum because he was the caliber of prospects they were forced to offer at UNC and Illinois. Yeah, they both got a few 4* and 5* over the years, but it was rare. They had to fill their class with mostly 3* ATHs with offers from the mid-major ACC or mid-major Big-10 schools. And that is what Bynum is, IMO.

You might not agree with me, and you don't have to.

But if you can't understand what I'm trying to say now, then I don't know what else to say to you about this.
 
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