'11 NC ATH Justus Pickett (Walk-On/Transfer)

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DocVOLiday said:
lane, neal, and I think hill will be the 3. Could be wrong. and it's always good to have more depth just in case anyway
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I think this kid would play over Hill. Different type RBs. Hill is more of a short-yardage RB and Pickett is more of a scat back that will catch passes out of the backfield.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
Fort said walk on. He is not part of 14 class as to numbers. Just the 85 as to schollies. Still not sure if eligible right away.
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i thought PFort said he thought he was walking on and wasnt sure. didnt remember anybody stating he was part of the 14 class.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
i thought PFort said he thought he was walking on and wasnt sure. didnt remember anybody stating he was part of the 14 class.
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I never saw the not sure part. He also tweeted something about earning a scholly to a buddy. You asked bro I answered re what class. He would not really be part of any class as a walk on.
 
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kamoshika said:
Given the new NCAA guidelines used to evaluate waiver requests, it's a virtual certainty that Pickett will have to sit out next year.

The guideline changes are specific to waivers requested when a student-athlete wants to return to a school closer to home due to the illness or injury of an immediate family member (the student-athlete's mother, father, sibling, child or legal guardian). The subcommittee directed the staff to consider relief when:

* The school presents medical documentation of a debilitating injury or illness to a student-athlete’s immediate family member that is debilitating and requires ongoing medical care. The previous standard had been “life-threatening.”

* The student-athlete demonstrates he or she will be responsible for regular, ongoing caregiving responsibilities. The previous standard required the student-athlete to be the primary, day-to-day caregiver.

* The school is within a 100-mile radius of the immediate family member’s home, which demonstrates the ability for the student-athlete to provide regular, ongoing care. Previously, no distance limitation was in place.

* The school to which the student-athlete is transferring must submit a statement from the athletics director and faculty athletics representative confirming that the student-athlete will be relieved of responsibilities to the team in order to care for the injured or ill family member, and that the coaching staff will support such a departure.
Membership modifies transfer waiver guidelines
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Does his parent or parents now live within 100 miles of Knoxville? He previously lived in Charlotte (high school).
 
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OCIVol said:
I think this kid would play over Hill. Different type RBs. Hill is more of a short-yardage RB and Pickett is more of a scat back that will catch passes out of the backfield.
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they dont even do the same things so you cant really say.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
Actually as a walk on if we never paid for recruiting trips he is eligible, if released by Maryland to play. Not sure if we did.
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What the NCAA says about 4-4 transfers, pertinent to Pickett:

As a 4-4 transfer, generally you are not eligible to play at the new four-year school until you spend an academic year in residence at that new school. However, there are exceptions that may allow you to play right away, read this section to see if an exception
can apply to you.

Exceptions are applied by the new school (sometimes called the certifying school). The certifying school determines whether you are eligible to play right away without spending an academic year in residence. The certifying school has the authority to grant exceptions, based on the conditions that we explain here:

* You can use an exception during your first year of collegiate enrollment ONLY if you are a qualifier. [Note: If you are a qualifier, have signed a National Letter of Intent, and transfer during the first year after you enrolled full time, you may have to sit out for a period of time at the certifying school, even if you meet an exception. (For more information about the National Letter of Intent program, go to page 26.)]

...If you have never been recruited by the Division I or II school you plan to attend, you may be able to use this exception if you:

* Have not received an athletics scholarship; and

* Have not practiced beyond a 14 consecutive-day period at any school or participated in intercollegiate competition before your transfer.
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/TGONLINE2012.pdf (pp. 19, 20)
 
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OCIVol said:
I think this kid would play over Hill. Different type RBs. Hill is more of a short-yardage RB and Pickett is more of a scat back that will catch passes out of the backfield.
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Hill isn't slow. I am looking forward to see what he will bring to the table. Been a long time since we had a rb that didn't dance and had good vision.
 
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Based on everything I've read, Pickett's eligibility status has nothing to do with whether he walks on or not.
 
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kamoshika said:
What have you read that indicates otherwise?
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kamoshika said:
What the NCAA says about 4-4 transfers, pertinent to Pickett:

As a 4-4 transfer, generally you are not eligible to play at the new four-year school until you spend an academic year in residence at that new school. However, there are exceptions that may allow you to play right away, read this section to see if an exception
can apply to you.

Exceptions are applied by the new school (sometimes called the certifying school). The certifying school determines whether you are eligible to play right away without spending an academic year in residence. The certifying school has the authority to grant exceptions, based on the conditions that we explain here:

* You can use an exception during your first year of collegiate enrollment ONLY if you are a qualifier. [Note: If you are a qualifier, have signed a National Letter of Intent, and transfer during the first year after you enrolled full time, you may have to sit out for a period of time at the certifying school, even if you meet an exception. (For more information about the National Letter of Intent program, go to page 26.)]

...If you have never been recruited by the Division I or II school you plan to attend, you may be able to use this exception if you:

* Have not received an athletics scholarship; and

* Have not practiced beyond a 14 consecutive-day period at any school or participated in intercollegiate competition before your transfer.
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/TGONLINE2012.pdf (pp. 19, 20)
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Just trying to be helpful.

Try an internet search to find people chatting about what recruited means under NCAA by laws. It is qualified as money spent on recruit i.e. visits here or to his home.


This rule was added around 2008 so D1 athletes could transfer and not sit out if walking on. I am not sure what you are not understanding.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
i thought PFort said he thought he was walking on and wasnt sure. didnt remember anybody stating he was part of the 14 class.
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Can someone refresh my memory on this? I seem to remember that if an athlete pays his own way he need not sit out the obligatory year on transfer. I don't KNOW if that is correct but it seems that I read that somewhere. So if he is in fact walking on, he may be able to play.:unsure:
 
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Jewbaccah said:
I am not sure what you are not understanding.
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That's not a very compelling argument. Again, this time straight from page 185 of the 2012-2013 NCAA Division I Manual:

14.5.5.2.9
Nonrecruited Student Exception.
The student transfers to the certifying institution, and the following conditions are met:

(a) The student-athlete was not recruited by the certifying institution (per Bylaw 13.02.13.1);

(b) No athletically related financial assistance has been received by the student-athlete; and

(c) The student-athlete has not competed for any previous institution and has not engaged in other countable athletically related activities in intercollegiate athletics beyond a 14-consecutive-day period at any previous institution. The 14-consecutive-day period begins with the date on which the student-athlete first engages in any countable athletically related activity (see Bylaw 17.02.1). (Revised: 1/9/06)

Like it or not, agree with it or not, Pickett does not meet the criteria to qualify for the nonrecruited student exception. He is a transfer in the NCAA's eyes (per Bylaw 14.5.2), so their transfer rules apply.

But if you're privy to information that contradicts the NCAA's most recent manual, let's hear it.
 
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kamoshika said:
That's not a very compelling argument. Again, this time straight from page 185 of the 2012-2013 NCAA Division I Manual:

14.5.5.2.9
Nonrecruited Student Exception.
The student transfers to the certifying institution, and the following conditions are met:

(a) The student-athlete was not recruited by the certifying institution (per Bylaw 13.02.13.1);

(b) No athletically related financial assistance has been received by the student-athlete; and

(c) The student-athlete has not competed for any previous institution and has not engaged in other countable athletically related activities in intercollegiate athletics beyond a 14-consecutive-day period at any previous institution. The 14-consecutive-day period begins with the date on which the student-athlete first engages in any countable athletically related activity (see Bylaw 17.02.1). (Revised: 1/9/06)

Like it or not, agree with it or not, Pickett does not meet the criteria to qualify for the nonrecruited student exception. He is a transfer in the NCAA's eyes (per Bylaw 14.5.2), so their transfer rules apply.

But if you're privy to information that contradicts the NCAA's most recent manual, let's hear it.
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Not going to argue with you. Going believing what you believe.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
It also says he left Maryland to go home for family issues. If true he may qualify for waiver for 2013. Although most of the time family issues means they flunked out or got kicked off.
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It could be true but I'm kinda skeptical about the whole "family issues" thing.

I think he probably saw the writing on the wall and decided to move on.

Honestly, from what I saw he was probably MD's 4th most talented back...perhaps even a little lower.

But maybe a change of scenery will benefit him.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
Not going to argue with you. Going believing what you believe.
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It's not about belief, it's about facts and I'm trying to bring some to the table. What is your take based on?

Again, if you have factual information -- not Internet conjecture -- that shows I'm wrong, please share it. I'd like to be proved wrong about Pickett but I don't see any way he could be eligible this year.
 
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kamoshika said:
It's not about belief, it's about facts and I'm trying to bring some to the table. What is your take based on?

Again, if you have factual information -- not Internet conjecture -- that shows I'm wrong, please share it. I'd like to be proved wrong about Pickett but I don't see any way he could be eligible this year.
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Looks like subsection c would apply and he would have to sit if your post is correct
 
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