11-1 (7-1)

After seeing our OL struggle, as well as the MLB spot still up in the air, I too am going with 7-5 as of now. That may change if we get some really good practice reports in.

This team would win 8 games with Worely at QB.

Question marks at a position isn't always a bad thing. Kenny Bynum was a good prospect and has worked very hard to become a leaner faster athlete, yet still he can't hold down that position no question asked.
That's because we have some very good, albeit young talented guys right there with him.

Jacob Johnson actually played MLB in game last year, yet he couldn't even crack the 4 deep at MLB this year.
There's something to that...

As far as our O-line. I see the improvement. People need to keep in mind the majority of O-lines in college football are average to below average.
We just need them to be average to be a contender with our skill everywhere else.
 
All it takes is one victory to break a streak.

I look forward to them proving you wrong :good!:

I hope the Vols prove me wrong against all of them especially against Mizzou, Georgia, and UF, but I don't expect to beat any of them.
 
After seeing our OL struggle, as well as the MLB spot still up in the air, I too am going with 7-5 as of now. That may change if we get some really good practice reports in.

This is why I say the Vols are still a year away. Blocking UF, UGA, Mizzou, Bama, and Oklahoma requires a talented and experienced offensive line, and right now they just don't have that. Even Vandy whipped the UT offensive line last season. Hopefully, they will continue to improve.
 
After seeing our OL struggle, as well as the MLB spot still up in the air, I too am going with 7-5 as of now. That may change if we get some really good practice reports in.

People don't seem to realize losing a senior OL for the year is a big deal. The OL is the reason we will get beat this year. They just simply aren't that good. Against the top tear teams, they played poorly. Against Vandy and Mizzou, poorly. Add to that your best true OT is a freshman and it adds up to losses. Sorry folks, until the online gets better players we are not winning big games
 
People don't seem to realize losing a senior OL for the year is a big deal. The OL is the reason we will get beat this year. They just simply aren't that good. Against the top tear teams, they played poorly. Against Vandy and Mizzou, poorly. Add to that your best true OT is a freshman and it adds up to losses. Sorry folks, until the online gets better players we are not winning big games

I agree, this is correct.
 
People don't seem to realize losing a senior OL for the year is a big deal. The OL is the reason we will get beat this year. They just simply aren't that good. Against the top tear teams, they played poorly. Against Vandy and Mizzou, poorly. Add to that your best true OT is a freshman and it adds up to losses. Sorry folks, until the online gets better players we are not winning big games


Yes, it's a huge loss; especially, for a team struggling with talent and depth at that position. UT will be in a lot of close games this fall and to win them they need all the advantages they can get. Losing thier most experienced offensive lineman is a huge disadvantage.
 
That's on early betting lines, and just their opinion. Everyone has their own opinions, but imho it will be an upset to beat any of the following: Oklahoma, Georgia, Bama, UF, and Mizzou. So I say 7-5.

UT has current losing streaks against all of those teams, and I don't believe UT will beat them until I see it on the field. This team needs to prove they can win against anyone on any day! Not just SC, Iowa, Vandy or Kentucky. Because at this point, that's all they have proven to me!

I agree that UT still needs to prove they can actually defeat good teams. But a 7-5 record with the amount of talent they have would prove to me there is a serious problem.

The fact that we are favorites to win all but a couple games makes it clear we have the talent to compete with anyone. Losing 5 games when we were only clear underdogs in 1 is a bad sign.
 
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I agree that UT still needs to prove they can actually defeat good teams. But a 7-5 record with the amount of talent they have would prove to me there is a serious problem.

The fact that we are favorites to win all but a couple games makes it clear we have the talent to compete with anyone. Losing 5 games when we were only clear underdogs in 1 is a bad sign.


Let's wait until after the Oklahoma, game to see how many games UT is favored in. If they lose in Neyland to Oklahoma that would certainly change many of those predictions.
 
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Let's wait until after the Oklahoma, game to see how many games UT is favored in. If they lose in Neyland to Oklahoma that would certainly change many of those predictions.

Exactly, these are preseason betting lines only. They will change through the year. 7 wins would be an improvement and winning the bowl game as well. We need more talented o lineman to really get there. Thanks to our not recruiting any with Dooley one year, we are still in a hole.
 
Exactly, these are preseason betting lines only. They will change through the year. 7 wins would be an improvement and winning the bowl game as well. We need more talented o lineman to really get there. Thanks to our not recruiting any with Dooley one year, we are still in a hole.

I agree but if we do win 7, we damn sure better win the bowl. Going 7-6 again will be problematic.
 
Exactly, these are preseason betting lines only. They will change through the year. 7 wins would be an improvement and winning the bowl game as well. We need more talented o lineman to really get there. Thanks to our not recruiting any with Dooley one year, we are still in a hole.

So a one game improvement year by year is ok? Great, we'll be at championship status around 2021.
 
So a one game improvement year by year is ok? Great, we'll be at championship status around 2021.

Did a say every year one game? When we have talent on both lines then we can expect to be winning 10+ again. Right now there a quite a few fans that are going to be very upset IMO by seasons end. Our o line is just not very good. You can coach the hell out of them but it's not going to make them better than guys with more talent on the other side.
 
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So what do you think is acceptable to keep the recruiting momentum going? I think 8-4 is realistic and anything less is going to be a letdown for the fan base and also may cause some recruits to re-evaluate and take a longer look at us.
 
How big a difference-maker is Josh Dobbs, really? How much better could we do this year, purely because of him?

Imagine this: Team 118 without Nate Peterman.

Respect Nate as a human being, wish him well at Pitt, but he wasn't the solution in 2014.

So what would last year have looked like without him...with Josh instead?

Start with the Georgia game. Worley is playing lights out, but leaves the game mid-3rd Qtr after smashing his elbow into a Georgia player's helmet.

Re-imagine those 3 Peterman-led drives, but with Dobbs. First drive, no real change ... penalties and a Marlin Lane fumble define this drive, not QB play. Second drive, instead of Nate sacked on 2nd & 6 at own 24, followed by pass incomplete on 3rd & 20 at own 10, it becomes Dobbs scramble for 1st down...does the drive continue to a TD? A FG? Maybe, maybe not. Quite possibly, given Dobb's performance a few weeks later. But for now, just put a bookmark here and skip forward to the 3rd Peterman drive.

12:45 remaining in the 4th Qtr, 1st & 10 at own 20. incomplete pass...incomplete pass...7 yd pass...would be 4th &3 if not for a UGa penalty granting a Vols 1st down at own 32 ... 1 yd run...incomplete pass...incomplete pass...punt. Would this series have turned into points with Dobbs? Again, impossible to tell.

But it's not a drastic stretch, seeing how Josh played just four weeks later against 'Bama, to imagine one of those two possessions leading to a TD. That's the kind of spark Josh provided in 2014. And with one more TD, the Vols beat Georgia by 4 points.

Now the 3-1 Vols host Florida, feeling a newfound sense of confidence. In the team, and in their QB duo -- Worley was the man vs Georgia, and Dobbs did a great job when needed to back him up. There's great confidence in this pair of leaders. So later in the game, when frustration with Worley's miserable outing begins to seep in, the team doesn't give up. Butch doesn't give up. He just changes gears. In comes Dobbs mid-way through the 3rd Qtr, and he's the spark the offense needs. All it achieves is a single field goal, it really is that kind of day, but the FG is enough. Vols win, and go to 4-1.

Not gonna argue for a change to the Ole Miss, Mizzou, or even Vandy games (Vandy was ugly, though a win); we're nudging history here, not beating the crap out of it. But there is one more game that needs to be revisited...Alabama.

Nate Peterman no longer starts the Bama game. This time, it's Josh Dobbs from the start. And instead of Peterman being sacked on 3rd & 7 at the Alabama 38 yard line, Dobbs scrambles for a first down. 38 seconds later, the Vols score and lead the game 7-0. An Amari Cooper 80 yard TD pass mere seconds later (and a missed extra point attempt) brings the score to 7-6, Vols.

Does Josh make a difference on Nate's second drive of the game (and last of his Tennessee career)? Nah. Again, we're nudging history, not rewriting it. Alabama still wins this game, but the score is 34-27, rather than 34-20.

And so the Vols end the season 9-4, having beaten Texas in the Texas Bowl. Team 118 is Butch Jones' breakout team, and Josh Dobbs is the undisputed leader of the team going into the off-season.

That's the kind of difference Dobbs makes.

Could it have happened that way? It's a bit like unicorn farts. They may actually smell like roses and shimmer like a rainbow. We'll never know. Sure seems reasonable, though.

Are there really still people who doubt the Vols could go 9-3 in 2015? Does any of the above (except the unicorn part) sound unreasonable?


[and note: all the above was with the OLine exactly as it was in 2014, not an ounce better...think we can't do the same in 2015, at least?]
 
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I have no idea why folks are acting like this is impossible. We are already pre-season favorites in 11 of our 12 games according to ESPN's Football Power Index. Now a bunch of those are basically 50-50 tossups but we are still favored cause they're at home. I don't think its beyond this team's capability to go 11-1. It would require us to get a few breaks going our way. But its definitely possible.

Just remember. Alabama was a year early when they won the national title in Saban's third season in 2009. Ohio State was a year early when they won the national title in Meyer's third season in 2014. Although 2016 does seem to be the logical year when we should be ready to challenge for a national title, don't be surprised if it happens a year early. Usually greatness isn't predicted. It just comes up on you. I think we'll find ourselves pleasantly surprised by how great this team is this year.

It all goes back to what Butch said when he first got hired. He talked all the time (and still does) about bringing back the winning mentality. Winning on the field...winning in the classroom...etc. Some of our fans are still living with a losing mindset. They keep waiting for something to go wrong. They've been burned so many times, over the past few years, that now they won't let themselves get excited anymore. I guess they think that if they don't get excited, then it will make a loss not hurt as bad. I doubt that the coaching staff is telling the team that they can't win every game. Hopefully, one day, we can get back to the time when we didn't care who we were playing...we knew our team was going to take care of business. Go Big Orange!!!
 
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Why? What's wrong with hope and optimism? Why is it that every time someone starts a thread like this, someone always has to say stop? Let people have their hope for crying out loud. Jesus, there always has to be a Debbie downer in threads like these. Pathetic.
 
I agree but if we do win 7, we damn sure better win the bowl. Going 7-6 again will be problematic.


I think we can all agree on that, but changing head coaches again is not the answer. I am convinced that Butch is the right guy to lead this program. The fans just need to give him the time to build this program with ALL his players. If he needs to make staff changes at some point then so be it, but Butch is our guy, and we all need to stand behind him for the foreseeable future!!
 

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