10 year show cause/NCAA, Tyndall discussion (merged)

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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I wish that Tariq and Jabari had stuck with it, but in the long run it's probably best that they've moved on. I want guys that understand and love Tennessee.
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It's too bad Jabari and Barnes couldn't click. I actually thought Jabari had a high ceiling if he put work into dribbling and shooting. But he just didn't develop over the summer and was a tweener, high motor, PF/SF mix. Too bad.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
When it comes to comparing coaching records, it is only believable when you compare apples to apples. Therefore, since Donnie only has a 9 year record as a head coach, I have used his league record against Barnes league record for that length of time.

For the good news in Barnes case, his last nine years in league play, his record was 80-69 or 55.2%. In his first nine years, Barnes record was 68-80 or 40.5%.

In Donnie's 9 years of league play his record is 102-58 or 63.8%.

Comparing the two as to overall record would be unfair since there was no parity between them.

Any other questions?
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I love how you cherry pick things to help your boy. How many NCAA bids did Barnes get compared to your boy in his first 9 years vs. Tyndall? And why do you leave out that Barnes coaches in the freakin Big East and ACC in those 9 years, compared to the OVC and CUSA? You think comparing league records without pointing out what leagues they were IS fair?

So yes, I have another question, which conference are better basketball conferences, The Big East and ACC, or OVC and CUSA?
 
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whobethis16 said:
Yeah, I'm guessing the overall quality of the conferences doesn't mean anything to you. 3 of the 4 conferences Barnes coached in are far superior than the ones Tyndall was in.
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Of course it doesn't, because it destroys hsi point.

I think this SeniorBuzz dude seriously started watching basketball when Tyndall was hired at UT.
 
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vols 30 said:
Just got my tickets for UT/ETSU .
While I plan on enjoying a UT victory, there will be a couple things to ponder while I sit there - Is Forbes a possible replacement for RB, and which of these old timers sitting around me is SeniorDrill?
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Don't even get a thanks for advising you to get them now. Geez! On your last point, I'll be the one with Coach T. :)

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The above depicts Buzz and I reacting to you dummies who think we are the same person. I know Donnie Tyndall better than I know Buzz. I think he can say the same.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Don't even get a thanks for advising you to get them now. Geez! On your last point, I'll be the one with Coach T. :)

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The above depicts Buzz and I reacting to you dummies who think we are the same person. I know Donnie Tyndall better than I know Buzz. I think he can say the same.
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You seem to really be making it a point to constantly proclaim how you're not the same person.

Methinks thou dost protest too much.
 
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Article disputes the claim by some of you that dis him as a coach.
If he gets his punishment renegotiated to something within reason, the guy could be right.
 
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calban said:
Article disputes the claim by some of you that dis him as a coach.
If he gets his punishment renegotiated to something within reason, the guy could be right.
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Most if not all the "dissing" is done in response to the guy that keeps putting Tyndall on a Hall of Fame pedestal while sh##ing on Barnes; when you are that divisive and confrontational about it all, you're going to push people in certain directions.

It's been pointed out to him time and time again, most people think Tyndall was a good enough coach but his constant worship and OVER THE TOP gushing (and inability to shut the bleep up about him) is what causes the backlash.

And yeah, Tyndall has a small chance, but it's not like he was really on anyone radar before all this. We didn't have to beat out other job offers to get him and he was about our 4th choice. So given that, mixed in with mutliple NCAA issues now, I'm not going to buy that many programs are going to give him a serious look.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
Any coach that comes from a lower division 1 conference and is seeded 15th in the NCAA tournament and coaches a win against a 2 seed has done a great coaching job. Very few coaches, if any, have many wins against competition of this stature.

It is my opinion that if Donnie had been coaching at Texas for 17 years, that he would have multiple final four appearances and probably a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!

You and vsf make a good pair! :eek:lol:
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Buzz, you're more than smart enough to know that success at the mid-major level doesn't always translate to the P5. You and SD have convinced yourselves that Donnie was the savior of TN bb, and maybe he would have been, but I don't think that's a given. IMO, we needed at least 2 more years to make a good judgement. For the record, I thought Donnie was a good hire at the time and still think he had a good chance to succeed, but so much for that thought.

BTW, if you're a stat fan you already know about this site, but just in case you don't:

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/stats/

The gist of it is that Barnes' team was slightly better in quite a few important areas on offense and very little worse, if any, on D. I vote to give this deal a chance for a couple of years.
 
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mcdoug said:
Buzz, you're more than smart enough to know that success at the mid-major level doesn't always translate to the P5. You and SD have convinced yourselves that Donnie was the savior of TN bb, and maybe he would have been, but I don't think that's a given. IMO, we needed at least 2 more years to make a good judgement. For the record, I thought Donnie was a good hire at the time and still think he had a good chance to succeed, but so much for that thought.
BTW, if you're a stat fan you already know about this site, but just in case you don't:
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/stats/
The gist of it is that Barnes' team was slightly better in quite a few important areas on offense and very little worse, if any, on D. I vote to give this deal a chance for a couple of years.
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Evidently you missed this:
"In Tyndall’s first nine years as a head coach, he had more wins than Rick Pitino and Bill Self in the same period of time."
Seven Coaches Who Should Lead a Program Soon | Lindy's Sports
 
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Tyndall looked great in the 2014-15 pre-conference schedule versus mid-majors and lesser teams. The defensive philosophy of forcing opponents to take perimeter shots was very interesting. But it seemed to fall apart once Tennessee got to the SEC part of the schedule when the coaches and players were better. The jury was still out as to whether or not Donnie ball was ever going to be successful at the P-5 level or not. It was a good philosophy at the mid-major level, but the tall players that could knock down open 3s picked it apart.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Yeah, except that article was written 3 months before he was issued the show cause. You claim to pay attention to all the details, yet keep missing ones like that. Why do you think no one believes you?
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I see your cogs are turning. They may need some oil. If I may ask what does that have to do with his coaching ability?
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Tyndall looked great in the 2014-15 pre-conference schedule versus mid-majors and lesser teams. The defensive philosophy of forcing opponents to take perimeter shots was very interesting. But it seemed to fall apart once Tennessee got to the SEC part of the schedule when the coaches and players were better. The jury was still out as to whether or not Donnie ball was ever going to be successful at the P-5 level or not. It was a good philosophy at the mid-major level, but the tall players that could knock down open 3s picked it apart.
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Wins over 2 ranked teams and five SEC road wins with a team with 4 returning players blows your theory out of the water. 16-16 vs 15-19 says it all.

"1) of 7. Donnie Tyndall – Unfortunately Tyndall was let go by Tennessee AD Dave Hart for alleged violations (now proven to be totally fabricated) at Southern Miss, however with Tyndall’s coaching acumen and success (21 wins per season), he should be back in a head coach’s chair as soon as the situation is cleared up. Nothing has been proven against Tyndall in a myriad of supposed violations that were actually alleged by a former rogue assistant. He won 56 games in two years at USM with RPI numbers of 29 and 31, so the NCAA had no love for the Golden Eagles to begin with. Tyndall was recruiting a caliber of athlete that had never been seen on the hardwood in Hattiesburg. This came on the heels of a six-year run at Morehead State, a perennially tough place to win, where Tyndall took the Eagles to two NCAA tournaments and pulled an upset of Louisville in the first round in 2011. In Tyndall’s first nine years as a head coach, he had more wins than Rick Pitino and Bill Self in the same period of time. As soon as the NCAA troubles are behind him, there should be a long list of athletic directors with Tyndall on speed dial.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Most if not all the "dissing" is done in response to the guy that keeps putting Tyndall on a Hall of Fame pedestal while sh##ing on Barnes; when you are that divisive and confrontational about it all, you're going to push people in certain directions.

It's been pointed out to him time and time again, most people think Tyndall was a good enough coach but his constant worship and OVER THE TOP gushing (and inability to shut the bleep up about him) is what causes the backlash.

And yeah, Tyndall has a small chance, but it's not like he was really on anyone radar before all this. We didn't have to beat out other job offers to get him and he was about our 4th choice. So given that, mixed in with mutliple NCAA issues now, I'm not going to buy that many programs are going to give him a serious look.
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Could SD and Buzz also be Calban ?
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Yep, we're triplets for sure! That's just as true as twins!
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I agree with you this time
 
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I just wanted to take a moment to congratulate Volnation on having the stamina to surpass 1000 comments on this subject. Lesser fan bases would have given up long ago.

2000, here we come!
 
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SeniorDrill said:
I see your cogs are turning. They may need some oil. If I may ask what does that have to do with his coaching ability?
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The article talks about those that he thinks will be hired (as of when it was written). That was before Tyndall got hit with the show cause. I bet Tyndall would've been left off that list if the guy waited two months to post the article. Unless the guy thinks 10 years is "soon", like the headline says.
 
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