10 year show cause/NCAA, Tyndall discussion (merged)

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armchair said:
It is a helluva lot easier to recruit to Texas than Tennessee, as there are tons more good high school players in that weird, crazy western state.
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Buzz Peterson was able to get C. J. Watson from Nevada, Bruce Pearl was able to get Tobias Harris from New York and Jerrone Maymon from Wisconsin, and Cuonzo Martin was able to get Josh Richardson from Oklahoma. Those were the most creditable players to my memory that came here from over 750 miles away. We have some very good players from states abutting Tennessee, as well as inside the state. However, we struggle getting the 5* types for some reason. It is gonna take that type of player, in greater abundance, in order to have a squad that will make us a force to contend with.

I believe that we need one 5* or two 4*s a year, who live up to their billing, and a disciplined coach, if we ever get back to the competitiveness that we showed when Bruce Pearl was our coach.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
Buzz Peterson was able to get C. J. Watson from Nevada, Bruce Pearl was able to get Tobias Harris from New York and Jerrone Maymon from Wisconsin, and Cuonzo Martin was able to get Josh Richardson from Oklahoma. Those were the most creditable players to my memory that came here from over 750 miles away. We have some very good players from states abutting Tennessee, as well as inside the state. However, we struggle getting the 5* types for some reason. It is gonna take that type of player, in greater abundance, in order to have a squad that will make us a force to contend with.

I believe that we need one 5* or two 4*s a year, who live up to their billing, and a disciplined coach, if we ever get back to the competitiveness that we showed when Bruce Pearl was our coach.
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Funny, Tyndall never accomplished this feat? And don't even mention Rob Gray, he clearly doesn't fit the bolded criteria above.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Funny, Tyndall never accomplished this feat? And don't even mention Rob Gray, he clearly doesn't fit the bolded criteria above.
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Come on now you're trolling him. Before the **** hit the fan in November for Tyndall he had a Top 65 player commited and Braxton Blackwell would have came the next class. So at least two Top 65 players in the 16 and 17 classes. Stop messing with him. Edit: Also Mario Kegler and Ado.
 
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pdogg said:
Come on now you're trolling him. Before the **** hit the fan in November for Tyndall he had a Top 65 player commited and Braxton Blackwell would have came the next class. So at least two Top 65 players in the 16 and 17 classes. Stop messing with him. Edit: Also Mario Kegler and Ado.
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He said 2 four star players in each class, we can play the what if game all day, but fact is he's criticizing Barnes for failing to do something Tyndall didn't do either.
 
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pdogg said:
Come on now you're trolling him. Before the **** hit the fan in November for Tyndall he had a Top 65 player commited and Braxton Blackwell would have came the next class. So at least two Top 65 players in the 16 and 17 classes. Stop messing with him. Edit: Also Mario Kegler and Ado.
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Serious question. Were all of Tyndall's highly rated targets/potential signees totally in the clear academically? I keep going back to Tyndall's 10+ year suspension, with a questionable conviction by the NCAA, and can't help but wonder if his MO was to cheat but always with a personal alibi. I wonder if he was operating this way, the NCAA, knew it but were unable to prove most of it, and went overboard with his punishment as soon as they had a definitive minor conviction on him. Again, I'm just throwing out a possible scenario for why Tyndal's punishment, based on the facts known to the public, seems utterly, ridiculously, overly severe.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
I'd rather have Will Wade
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Will Wade nor anybody else had the "Tyndall Terror Defense", an improvement over Pitino's concocted by DT. It didn't matter whether they were home or away, the leaders of the other team had trouble figuring out whether they were playing zone or man to man. The group of players he had were really "coached up" to do what they did.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
The man never stops recruiting. John Rothstein, College Basketball Insider for CBS Sports, reports: "Longwood transfer Kanayo Obi-Rapu has committed to East Tennessee State, source told @CBSSports."
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Back to OP:
Josh Parrott ‏@JoshuaParrott Aug 27
Ex-Longwood G Kanayo Obi-Rapu (@ItsVelvetHoop) commits to @ETSU_MBB. 12 ppg/63 3s/.384 3PT as 6-3 SO. Versatile+character. Sit 1, play 2.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Serious question. Were all of Tyndall's highly rated targets/potential signees totally in the clear academically? I keep going back to Tyndall's 10+ year suspension, with a questionable conviction by the NCAA, and can't help but wonder if his MO was to cheat but always with a personal alibi. I wonder if he was operating this way, the NCAA, knew it but were unable to prove most of it, and went overboard with his punishment as soon as they had a definitive minor conviction on him. Again, I'm just throwing out a possible scenario for why Tyndal's punishment, based on the facts known to the public, seems utterly, ridiculously, overly severe.
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Yes the were academically ready because Tyndall had assistant coaches take thier tests for them!!!!
 
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I know every "detail" he refers to in this statement. Trust me, the NCAA will end up being the one with the 10 year show cause!!

"I believe their investigation will shed new light on my case that the media, fans and the general public have never had the chance to hear or read about," Tyndall said.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
He said 2 four star players in each class, we can play the what if game all day, but fact is he's criticizing Barnes for failing to do something Tyndall didn't do either.
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You could argue that Pearl didn't either depending on how you define "living up to their billing". By my count, Pearl signed 12 4* or better freshmen plus 2 transfers in his first 5 years, but about half of them either quit, got kicked off the team at some point, or never really played up to their potential. That's pretty much a gray area, though.

I think buzz is equating style of play with discipline when that's not necessarily the case. Barnes' team averaged 73 possessions per game to Tyndall's 63.2 with 11.3 to's per game for Barnes to 12.1 for Tyndall. Offensive efficiency was 1.029 for Barnes and 1.001 for Tyndall. Effective field goal % was 48 Barnes and 48.2 Tyndall. (Neither team shot the 3 all that well.) Seems to me that Barnes team, if anything, was a little more disciplined than Tyndall's especially when you consider that Josh was a better overall pg than Kevin.
 
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Tyndall's is such a crybaby. He got caught cheating at Morehead State. Prior to that he worked with Kermit Davis at MTSU, who was busted for cheating at Texas A@M and before that Tyndall was at LSU where he worked for John Brady, who was affectionately called Shady Brady by other SEC coaches, for the way he ran his program. Birds of a feather flock together
 
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"Coach Tyndall comes to the gym hyped up and excited every day. He is so passionate about the game, and it rubs off on his players. There is no doubt that me playing for him helped me get to the NBA. I loved playing for him and would tell any young player if you want to get better, Coach T will help you do that."
josh Richardson
Miami Heat
University of Tennessee
 
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Knuckleheaded said:
Tyndall's is such a crybaby. He got caught cheating at Morehead State. Prior to that he worked with Kermit Davis at MTSU, who was busted for cheating at Texas A@M and before that Tyndall was at LSU where he worked for John Brady, who was affectionately called Shady Brady by other SEC coaches, for the way he ran his program. Birds of a feather flock together
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They all cheat. what's new. The best ones just don't get caught or the NCAA gives them a pass.
 
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calban said:
They all cheat. what's new. The best ones just don't get caught or the NCAA gives them a pass.
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Beyond tired of reading this, that's simply not the case, or at least to the extent in which Tyndall did. That would be like saying everyone breaks the law, while trying to justify robbing a bank...sorry but throwing your burger wrapper out the window is not nearly the same crime, although both would be considered breaking the law.

To suggest "all coaches" cheat on the level in which Donnie Tyndall, or a Kelvin Sampson did seems beyond near-sighted to me.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Beyond tired of reading this, that's simply not the case, or at least to the extent in which Tyndall did. That would be like saying everyone breaks the law, while trying to justify robbing a bank...sorry but throwing your burger wrapper out the window is not nearly the same crime, although both would be considered breaking the law.

To suggest "all coaches" cheat on the level in which Donnie Tyndall, or a Kelvin Sampson did seems beyond near-sighted to me.
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Yeah, they do. Lol Roy Williams is the perfect example.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Beyond tired of reading this, that's simply not the case, or at least to the extent in which Tyndall did. That would be like saying everyone breaks the law, while trying to justify robbing a bank...sorry but throwing your burger wrapper out the window is not nearly the same crime, although both would be considered breaking the law.

To suggest "all coaches" cheat on the level in which Donnie Tyndall, or a Kelvin Sampson did seems beyond near-sighted to me.
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The NCAA is like fundamental religion. If you get up in the morning and do anything but breathe, you're sinning.
When you regulate who a coach can sit next to at a Jam, you're straining at a gnat to swallow a turd.
You don't know of most of the violations because they're self reported. You can't fart without breaking rules.
No one said all coaches are as bad as Tyndall or Brown. But they can't help breaking the rules, hence cheating.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Prove it? Nothing has come out saying Williams directly instructed or knew anything that I'm aware of...
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Well,he's the head coach. He should know what's going on. That was the exact argument against Rick. What's different here? Hell, there has yet to be evidence Donnie is guilty. Is he? Probably. But there's been 0 evidence shown.
 
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calban said:
The NCAA is like fundamental religion. If you get up in the morning and do anything but breathe, you're sinning.
When you regulate who a coach can sit next to at a Jam, you're straining at a gnat to swallow a turd.
You don't know of most of the violations because they're self reported. You can't fart without breaking rules.
No one said all coaches are as bad as Tyndall or Brown. But they can't help breaking the rules, hence cheating.
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Like I said, big difference to me between robbing a bank and tossing a gum wrapper out the window...but sure, both should be considered breaking the law equally.
 
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