10 Most Overpaid College Coaches

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fade route said:
You're insane, Penn St. got a bargain in Franklin. He will win big there. The fact that he won with Johnson's recruits doesn't make your point, it makes mine. He has a top 5 class in the making after 5 months on the job and will be competing for the Big 10 title within 3-4 years. Until Jones proves otherwise, I would take Franklin him over him in a New York minute - sorry, but its the truth.
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This is the truth.

It's so funny to read this thread and see so many people still arguing that James Franklin is unproven.

He took over a historic bottom feeder. He beat Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee. He out-recruited Tennessee. He never missed a bowl game. He took over a worse situation and won at a far higher level than Butch Jones ever has.
 
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gunner said:
If they think Butch is overpaid, I guess he didn't see our last coach and his salary.
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Made about a million less. Produced more wins in his first season....

I don't think Jones belonged #1 on this list either. But the gratuitous "Yeah but Dooley was bad so Jones gets credit for not being Dooley" posts are really used up.

Dooley took over a program in terrible shape and didn't fix it. He didn't cause it to be in terrible shape. He improved some things but completely failed on some others. He lost too many games, soured in his attitude, and was rightly fired after getting his 3 year shot. He obviously wasn't the coaching messiah we all hope to see... but he wasn't the devil incarnate either. He was simply a guy who took on a task bigger than he was... MUCH bigger as it turned out.
 
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this article is posted on "answers.com" about college football, and there is no author listed.

lol.

offseason man... people will talk about anything.

:eek:lol:
 
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oregonvol said:
This is the truth.

It's so funny to read this thread and see so many people still arguing that James Franklin is unproven.

He took over a historic bottom feeder. He beat Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee. He out-recruited Tennessee. He never missed a bowl game. He took over a worse situation and won at a far higher level than Butch Jones ever has.
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How many 10 win seasons?

How many conference championships?

How many head-to-head bowl wins? (Franklin vs Jones)

Please
 
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oregonvol said:
This is the truth.

It's so funny to read this thread and see so many people still arguing that James Franklin is unproven.

He took over a historic bottom feeder. He beat Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee. He out-recruited Tennessee. He never missed a bowl game. He took over a worse situation and won at a far higher level than Butch Jones ever has.
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Smdh. This is why I stick in the recruiting forum.
 
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ajvol01 said:
How many 10 win seasons?

How many conference championships?

How many head-to-head bowl wins? (Franklin vs Jones)

Please
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How many of those has Butch Jones had at the SEC level? How many winning seasons has Butch Jones had at the SEC level? Please.
 
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sjt18 said:
Made about a million less. Produced more wins in his first season....

I don't think Jones belonged #1 on this list either. But the gratuitous "Yeah but Dooley was bad so Jones gets credit for not being Dooley" posts are really used up.

Dooley took over a program in terrible shape and didn't fix it. He didn't cause it to be in terrible shape. He improved some things but completely failed on some others. He lost too many games, soured in his attitude, and was rightly fired after getting his 3 year shot. He obviously wasn't the coaching messiah we all hope to see... but he wasn't the devil incarnate either. He was simply a guy who took on a task bigger than he was... MUCH bigger as it turned out.
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Agreed. It's interesting that his best year was his first year, the year that was closest to the grease fire that Kiffin left him. The longer he stayed, the worse the team got.... 5 wins in year 2, 4 wins in year 3 before refusing to coach his players in the final game vs Kentucky. History shows that the more he got his hooks into the program, the worse the program became. He just wasn't up to the job.... it doesn't make him the devil incarnate as you said. It just makes him an incompetent SEC coach.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Dooley wasn't allowed the time to bring "his own" players in, so u suggest a guy making $1mil+/year more to be allowed to wait for "his players" to come in before high expectations of success should be had??

CBJ is getting pd "win now" money. Not saying SECCG or NC this season, but he needs to make a bowl game at MINIMUM this season. Progress each year until he is in the 10+/season in 2-3 yrs. He needs to win like Richt, then if he starts winning championships on a regular then he can start asking for huge increases in pay.

I don't know if he is over pd or not after this past season. If he doesn't make a bowl this season though there will be no doubt or enough excuses to say he isn't overpaid.
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Dooley was given 3 years to show improvement, which is generally accepted in today's world of college coaching. He had "2.5" recruiting classes, his best one being the first one he held together at the 11th hour. Unfortunately, that was his best work.

As you surely know, his on the field work got progressively worse each year he was HC, which is why he was mercifully fired in 2012..... 6 wins and a bowl year 1, 5 years and no bowl in year 2, 4 wins and no bowl in his third and final year. He had his opportunity and he wasn't up to it. If Butch fails as miserably as Dooley did after 3 years, he will be drawing his buyout as well.
 
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KBVol said:
Dooley was given 3 years to show improvement, which is generally accepted in today's world of college coaching. He had "2.5" recruiting classes, his best one being the first one he held together at the 11th hour. Unfortunately, that was his best work.

As you surely know, his on the field work got progressively worse each year he was HC, which is why he was mercifully fired in 2012..... 6 wins and a bowl year 1, 5 years and no bowl in year 2, 4 wins and no bowl in his third and final year. He had his opportunity and he wasn't up to it. If Butch fails as miserably as Dooley did after 3 years, he will be drawing his buyout as well.
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No he will not be gone, he will make it through season 2016. He will not be kicked to the curb----the Bristol Game keeps him around for at least 4 yrs. Common Sense should tell you that...oh wait...never mind.
 
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ACvol3 said:
Almost any coach needs atleast 3 years before job security should come into question.
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I'm not saying a coach shouldn't have 3. I think 4-5 is a more reasonable amount with the unpredictable transition of inherited players etc. Thing is Dooley didn't have 3yrs he had less before it was decided he was gone.

I know I'm the only one to believe this...but take out the Gruden Fiasco of '12 we would have gone bowling that year. That's an unprecedented occurrence yet people blame it all on Dooley. No doubt about it in my mind. Why this fanbase, and Hart allowed it for personal gain imo, will bite it's nose to spite it's face. 1-2 wins were sacrificed by so called "Vol fans" to get Dooley out. Be it by the hands of some puppet masters or not...many played along.
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Sudden Impact said:
No he will not he makes it through season 2016. He will not be kicked to the curb until after the Bristol Game. Common Sense should tell you that...oh wait...never mind.
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What? I don't believe that. I think he has the program headed in the right direction and that he'll have the team competing for an SEC title by 2016.
 
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Things got fun when they let that paranoid conspiracy street preacher have access to our board. :scare:
 
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ajvol01 said:
There, there...it'll be ok Derek.
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Ahhhh the classic knee slapper. Nice one bud.

Why is it so hard for people to understand that the Dooley Era was the beginning of a whole new era in Tennessee Football?? It has nothing to do with my love for the guy or me being him or his family, but simply the only real logical measuring stick for the Jones Era. We can't use the Kiffin or Fulmer eras or anything prior obvi.

The Dooley era had no prior comparison cause he took over after Kiffin ended up finally blowing the top off the program, and it's yrs and yrs of mismanagement. All the nice little hidden gems that oozed out for the whole CFB world to see were mostly, if not all, purged out during the Dooley era. With his help. Yet everyone likes to compare it to previous yrs it can't be done.

If u want to discuss where ur opinion differs from my above please feel free. I'm a fan of mature discussions that can help me better understand situations, and polish up my opinion. If u don't want to or frankly r unable to please don't bother with the childish bs. Thx.
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Oskie Volum said:
I'm not saying a coach shouldn't have 3. I think 4-5 is a more reasonable amount with the unpredictable transition of inherited players etc. Thing is Dooley didn't have 3yrs he had less before it was decided he was gone.

I know I'm the only one to believe this...but take out the Gruden Fiasco of '12 we would have gone bowling that year. That's an unprecedented occurrence yet people blame it all on Dooley. No doubt about it in my mind. Why this fanbase, and Hart allowed it for personal gain imo, will bite it's nose to spite it's face. 1-2 wins were sacrificed by so called "Vol fans" to get Dooley out. Be it by the hands of some puppet masters or not...many played along.
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Dooley checked out after the UK game. Several people close to him said he inquired about the UNC job. He wanted out of Knoxville.

So yes, it was decided he was gone, but it was by Dooley himself.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
His job for these first few season is to rebuild more so than win games.
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This is the same thing that could have, and was said during the Dooley yrs. So when r we able to flip this mindset to requiring wins...After this nxt season?? Middle of the following?? Year 4??5??

I'm just wondering. As a fan I wish this fan base could come to a consensus on when. If not it'll implode like it did during the Dooley yrs. I know people think I don't like CBJ, but it's this fanbase that concerns me the most. One that can't comprehend that winning isn't the #1 thing but progression. We need to see a bowl game season this season though cause this fanbase will destroy itself.
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TAF said:
Seems right to me considering W-L results so far...
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The mans been here 1 year and brought in a top 5 class and you say he's number 1 on the list. What have the other coaches done to put the spotlight on CBJ.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
All of "his" players have already been recruited over / aren't adjusting to the new regime. A regime which, by the way, knows how to grow bamboo and knows exactly where Rommel is.

Hence, + $1M / annum salary.
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What does bamboo and rommel having anything to do with this?? I'm sure those analogies went ovr ur head like it did many others. Dooley was way to smart for the average Vol fan, and that was one of his downfalls. He wasn't able to speak to dumba**es.

Many of Dooleys players were recruited over because of scheme, not being as good, or frankly the staffs inability to develop them properly. Ie..doing nothing with one of the top OLs going into '13 was a mix of scheme change and inability of developing them. Is that something that is worth so much more money last yr?? I have a hard time judging future recruiting success based on an unprecedented recruiting class like this last one. He def needs to go to a bowl game to ride the not so typical recruiting momentum this last class was able to build. Otherwise he'll get eaten alive, and the recruiting bubble will have a high chance of bursting.

Just all imho that's all...
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Oskie Volum said:
What does bamboo and rommel having anything to do with this?? I'm sure those analogies went ovr ur head like it did many others. Dooley was way to smart for the average Vol fan, and that was one of his downfalls. He wasn't able to speak to dumba**es.

Many of Dooleys players were recruited over because of scheme, not being as good, or frankly the staffs inability to develop them properly. Ie..doing nothing with one of the top OLs going into '13 was a mix of scheme change and inability of developing them. Is that something that is worth so much more money last yr?? I have a hard time judging future recruiting success based on an unprecedented recruiting class like this last one. He def needs to go to a bowl game to ride the not so typical recruiting momentum this last class was able to build. Otherwise he'll get eaten alive, and the recruiting bubble will have a high chance of bursting.

Just all imho that's all...
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You may believe that dooley wasn't given enough time, the admin was against him, or the Gruden "fiasco"(as you put it) was part of his demise, but GTFO with that nonsense.

TOO SMART to speak to fans!? smh. That is absolutely ridiculous.

You like to troll don't you?
 
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KBVol said:
What? I don't believe that. I think he has the program headed in the right direction and that he'll have the team competing for an SEC title by 2016.
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I was saying the same thing...I don't think he is gone in 3 yrs at all and he will be around for a while.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
I'm not saying a coach shouldn't have 3. I think 4-5 is a more reasonable amount with the unpredictable transition of inherited players etc. Thing is Dooley didn't have 3yrs he had less before it was decided he was gone.

I know I'm the only one to believe this...but take out the Gruden Fiasco of '12 we would have gone bowling that year. That's an unprecedented occurrence yet people blame it all on Dooley. No doubt about it in my mind. Why this fanbase, and Hart allowed it for personal gain imo, will bite it's nose to spite it's face. 1-2 wins were sacrificed by so called "Vol fans" to get Dooley out. Be it by the hands of some puppet masters or not...many played along.
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Dooley was so respected that his entire defensive staff jumped ship after 2 seasons.

How long are you gonna carry water for this guy?
 
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Oskie Volum said:
What does bamboo and rommel having anything to do with this?? I'm sure those analogies went ovr ur head like it did many others. Dooley was way to smart for the average Vol fan, and that was one of his downfalls. He wasn't able to speak to dumba**es.

Many of Dooleys players were recruited over because of scheme, not being as good, or frankly the staffs inability to develop them properly. Ie..doing nothing with one of the top OLs going into '13 was a mix of scheme change and inability of developing them. Is that something that is worth so much more money last yr?? I have a hard time judging future recruiting success based on an unprecedented recruiting class like this last one. He def needs to go to a bowl game to ride the not so typical recruiting momentum this last class was able to build. Otherwise he'll get eaten alive, and the recruiting bubble will have a high chance of bursting.

Just all imho that's all...
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Dooley hired his new defensive staff in year 3.

He chose to go get a 3-4 guy for his DC even though he had a roster full of 4-3 players.

He must have been waaaay too smart for all of us dumba$$ Vol fans.

He took the fastest path to $5 million
 
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