'10 CA QB Jesse Scroggins (USC Solid Verbal)

Which school will Scroggins verbally commit to tomorrow?

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Lockdown1 said:
He's better than Heaps. I think Heaps is more of a system QB.
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Heaps is helped out a ton by Kasen Williams, but I wouldn't completely agree with that. Heaps is probably the most ready to contribute right away, but overall, I could see Scroggins ending up as the better player. So theres an up and downside to both.

Honestly, I'd rather take Heaps, just to get a much better shot at Kasen. I'll be happy with either or Hendrix though.
 
#627
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ill take heaps or scroggins ...one or both just need to vol up and commit..
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Lockdown1 said:
He's better than Heaps. I think Heaps is more of a system QB.
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I think he's better than anyone out there at this point in all of their careers. Blake Bell may end up being good, but right now he's R-A-W. I would take Scroggins over anyone, but it's gonna be a dogfight. Luckily we got in on him early, have offered all his teammates, and he has family here. I like our chances of landing him.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
I think he's better than anyone out there at this point in all of their careers. Blake Bell may end up being good, but right now he's R-A-W. I would take Scroggins over anyone, but it's gonna be a dogfight. Luckily we got in on him early, have offered all his teammates, and he has family here. I like our chances of landing him.
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this and this.
 
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bburger991 said:
Heaps is helped out a ton by Kasen Williams, but I wouldn't completely agree with that. Heaps is probably the most ready to contribute right away, but overall, I could see Scroggins ending up as the better player. So theres an up and downside to both.

Honestly, I'd rather take Heaps, just to get a much better shot at Kasen. I'll be happy with either or Hendrix though.
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We really won't need Kasen Williams if we can just get a QB in here. If we get Ambles and Milton to go along with James Green will have the big receivers that we want. Then we'll have Nuke and some other small guys in the slot. We really won't need him if we can get two big receivers in this class.
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Lockdown1 said:
We really won't need Kasen Williams if we can just get a QB in here. If we get Ambles and Milton to go along with James Green will have the big receivers that we want. Then we'll have Nuke and some other small guys in the slot. We really won't need him if we can get two big receivers in this class.
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We wont "need" him, but a top 5 player is a top 5 player. i don't know if I'd call 6'2 big though. He's more of just the balanced overall WR.

Based on what I've seen, we'll have a big guy lined up on one side with a balanced WR on the otherside. If we're running 3 wide, then throw in the shifty guy in the slot.
 
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bburger991 said:
We wont "need" him, but a top 5 player is a top 5 player. i don't know if I'd call 6'2 big though. He's more of just the balanced overall WR.

Based on what I've seen, we'll have a big guy lined up on one side with a balanced WR on the otherside. If we're running 3 wide, then throw in the shifty guy in the slot.
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James Green is 6'2 balanced type of player. I do think it will be hard to pull him though.
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CountVolcula said:
Meyer will change his offense, because the spread has had its day. The spread has been around long enough to show that it does not develop talent for the NFL. Now the recruits are seeing that they will have no future in the NFL if they play in a spread offense. Once he is forced to change, Florida will be no more.
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Don't know if Meyer is switching from the spread for that reason, but it is really toxic for NFL prospects. Look at Tebow...if he played in a pro set offense and excelled the way he has, there would be no doubt as to his draft status...but in the spread option, it's literally killing his draft status. Is the spread masking a QB's weaknesses or is it simply preventing them from developing skills needed at the next level? For coaches in college to sit by and not take this into account....it seems very selfish, IMHO.

It screws QB's, WR's, and RB's alike and I predict it will become increasingly harder for teams like UF to haul in top classes with the spread. All recruits have to do is watch the NFL draft to see that if you are a top rated player in HS, you won't be as highly sought after once you've been stuck in 4yrs of a spread offense...
I thought Graham Harrell would be a top 5 pick...kid had RIDICULOUS stats. Didn't even get drafted, I don't believe.
 
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19SEP2009 said:
Not so fast, Willis will be visiting UT. You have Orgeron on your side....don't give up yet.
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I don't see us getting Willis. UT done has two 4star DEs committed and Willis doesn't seem like he is all that big on the Vols. Miller is a different story. I like our chances with him...

But believe me, when you have the best DL coach in the nation who just happens to be a top 5 or 6 recruiter, you don't count anyone out...
 
#637
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it's not just UF's spread offense...it's most spread offenses. it's just common knowledge that a pro-style quarterback in a pro-style offense has a much better chance of going pro.

I believe Scroggins would mesh well at UF and if he's interested in having a solid career in the college level then he should definitely take yall into high consideration. It does, however, hurt his chances at making it to the next level sooner and being picked early in the draft.
 
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19SEP2009 said:
All it proves is that it is possible to succeed in the NFL through a college spread offense.
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When a QB from a college spread offense does something in the NFL there will be a discussion. As of now, there is no evidence that a spread offense QB can do anything whatsoever in the NFL...

You keep talking about Tebow going in the first day. You leave out the part where no one wants him to play QB. I've not seen a legit analyst yet say he can play QB in the league. He's going to be a h-back, FB, or a TE. So, the message to Scroggins would be: "Sure we can get you to the next level. That is if you don't mind playing WR."
 
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19SEP2009 said:
First of all, not all players and teams are the same. Just as USC is not representative of all teams running a pro-style offense, UF is not representative of all teams running the spread.

The biggest difference is that each is getting better athletes than the other teams running the same offense. So these teams need to be evaluated apart from the others running the same offense.

Florida has only been running the spread for 4 years. The first group of athletes to be recruited into this system just graduated and got drafted.
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Actually, you are conveniently forgetting Alex Smith.

He was recruited into Urban's spread.

He was a good enough athlete to be chosen first overall in the 2005 draft.

He is unquestionably a failure as a pro quarterback to this point.

I agree that not all spreads are the same (see Drew Brees in the Jim Chaney spread offense at Purdue), but I think Urban Meyer's Utah spread and his Florida spread are a pretty good apples to apples comparison, and this comparison shows that the QB's produced by the spread system Florida currently uses don't translate well to the NFL. Why else would a man who's won two national championships in a such a short time period be discussing changing his offense up to add more pro-style elements?
 
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First&Tenn said:
Actually, you are conveniently forgetting Alex Smith.

He was recruited into Urban's spread.

He was a good enough athlete to be chosen first overall in the 2005 draft.

He is unquestionably a failure as a pro quarterback to this point.

I agree that not all spreads are the same (see Drew Brees in the Jim Chaney spread offense at Purdue), but I think Urban Meyer's Utah spread and his Florida spread are a pretty good apples to apples comparison, and this comparison shows that the QB's produced by the spread system Florida currently uses don't translate well to the NFL. Why else would a man who's won two national championships in a such a short time period be discussing changing his offense up to add more pro-style elements?
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I was under the impression that Meyer was incorporating more pro-style elements to suit the nature of talent that he currently has on the roster. Is this what you're saying?
 
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jones said:
I was under the impression that Meyer was incorporating more pro-style elements to suit the nature of talent that he currently has on the roster. Is this what you're saying?
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He has also mentioned putting in some pro-style elements this year to prepare Tebow for the league or something. I think the issue is that he knows Tebow won't likely be a quality QB at the next level (I do think Tebow will find success at some position in the NFL though). Urban is afraid of this knock on his system coming back to haunt him during recruiting in the future. I might just be reading into it, but there isn't currently any proof that his system can prepare a QB for a good pro career, and Alex Smith is his best product thus far from his system.

As far as this relating to Scroggins, I think that Florida is not a big contender for him when all is said and done for two reasons:

1. Urban's Spread Offense
2. No chance to start early (good depth chart)
 
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NicktheVolFan said:
I like the "eggrolls not the XTC" line, Sab. Great show, can't wait for the new season.
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Danny McBride and Will Ferrell are in a new movie together, Land of the Lost. I'm stoked to see it because they have good chemistry together I think.


Any way, does anyone want a Jesse Scroggins avatar?
 

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Sabanocchio said:
Danny McBride and Will Ferrell are in a new movie together, Land of the Lost. I'm stoked to see it because they have good chemistry together I think.


Any way, does anyone want a Jesse Scroggins avatar?
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PUT SOME TENNESSEE ORANGE ON THAT GUY!
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sjt18 said:
Heaps' size doesn't hurt him in HS but I'm afraid it will in college.
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Mechanics are more important than size. Coleman was 6'4 but had a bad problem with balls being batted at the line. Auburn (Kodi Burns, 6'1), Georgia (Joe Cox, 6'1), and Miss St (Tyson Lee, 5'10) will all be starting QBs in the SEC this year that are shorter than Heaps at 6'2. His QB style relies heavily on his mobility and evasiveness to buy time and make plays downfield. If he were 6'4 or 6'6, I don't think he would be nearly as effective and would be more likely to get injured due to decreased elusiveness. I think his frame is ideal for his playing style, though he will most certainly benefit from a DI strength & conditioning program.
 
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